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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
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今週は情報公開の予定です。新キャラ情報もあります。


The newest Tweet from the smusou6 Twitter, in case anyone missed it or wants to translate it properly ^^
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@DemonicWarrior.
Xu Huang was boring in DW6 because you never saw him.
Sima Yi was always evil in the inside in previous games.
And I have no idea what you're talking about Cao Cao, seems the same to me.

I don't want DW7 filled with peace and love. I'm not saying that, I just want depth. It would drive me crazy if I played a DW with absolutely no girls. The entire game would be one-sided.
There are girls like Bao Sanniang, that I hate. But girls like Diao Chan, Yue Ying, and SSX have something to do with their story and the people around them.
Females give depth.

Next topic, generic Liu Shan would be awful. I hate hearing generics talk, sad but true. Liu Shan would get rid of that awful Xing Cai+Guan Ping relationship. And show how weak Shu got towards the end.

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I get the feeling the decision might have come down to Guan Suo + Bao Sanniang or Guan Xing + Zhang Bao... and honestly anything is better than the second pair in my eyes.
Its a choice between being kicked in the nuts then being shot in the leg, or kicked in the nuts and being shot in the arm. They all stink! :sick:
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Seraphil
Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:41 am
I get the feeling the decision might have come down to Guan Suo + Bao Sanniang or Guan Xing + Zhang Bao... and honestly anything is better than the second pair in my eyes.
So, to your criteria, you'd prefer Fictitious Couple to Overrated Brothers?

I'd say anything is better than the first one. At least Bao and Xing would have some kind of rollercoaster relation, instead of a trashy neutral fictional one.

Xing and Bao have dozens of ploys, both inside the novel and in History. I don't see the ploy in Guan Suo X BSN relationship

@dancingswan: Xu Huang, in DW5, was a mere willess servant of Cao Cao, who only fought for Honor. In DW6, he searches for his answers, that's the difference

Females don't bring depth when they only say: "Lord X, I'm forever with youuuuuuu!". Also, I never manifested against female additions. I manifested against questionable female and male additions.

To show the weakness of Shu, bring on Jiang Wei only. He saw Shu's fall, and he actively participated in it. IMHO, even Liao Hua would be better than Shan.
Edited by Demonic Warrior, Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:48 am.
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今週は情報公開の予定です。新キャラ情報もあります。


The newest Tweet from the smusou6 Twitter, in case anyone missed it or wants to translate it properly ^^


SO maybe new characters?

Most likely returning, I'm guessing.
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:44 am
Seraphil
Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:41 am
I get the feeling the decision might have come down to Guan Suo + Bao Sanniang or Guan Xing + Zhang Bao... and honestly anything is better than the second pair in my eyes.
So, to your criteria, you'd prefer Fictitious Couple to Overrated Brothers?

I'd say anything is better than the first one. At least Bao and Xing would have some kind of rollercoaster relation, instead of a trashy neutral fictional one.

Xing and Bao have dozens of ploys, both inside the novel and in History. I don't see the ploy in Guan Suo X BSN relationship
Have to say it sure looks like a double standard to me to prefer one fictional couple(lol buttbrothers) and then trash on another fictional couple. Yeah, I just called Xing and Bao fictional because the Guan Xing and Zhang Bao that everyone loves SO much are fictional ones made up in ROTK that have little to do with their real selves beyond having the same name. The real Zhang Bao died as a child and Guan Xing didn't do anything beyond sit behind a desk and push papers.

You don't see the ploys(is that even how you use that word?) in Suo and Bao because you never read the Hua Guan Suo Zhuan. Pretty simple deduction really.
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:44 am
Xing and Bao have dozens of ploys, both inside the novel and in History.
Novel: "Hey, our dads are dead; let's go avenge them!"
History:....................Nope, they did nothing.

Demonic Warrior
 
I don't see the ploy in Guan Suo X BSN relationship
Affirmative action
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:57 am
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:44 am
Xing and Bao have dozens of ploys, both inside the novel and in History.
Novel: "Hey, our dads are dead; let's go avenge them!"
History:....................Nope, they did nothing.

Demonic Warrior
 
I don't see the ploy in Guan Suo X BSN relationship
Affirmative action
Yeeeep. Because there's a quota of how many women are playable per game.
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I do find it quite funny how people man about fictional characters like Bao Sanniang and then go around saying they want Guan Xing Or Zhang Bao in not me though i hate them all.
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:54 am
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:44 am
Seraphil
Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:41 am
I get the feeling the decision might have come down to Guan Suo + Bao Sanniang or Guan Xing + Zhang Bao... and honestly anything is better than the second pair in my eyes.
So, to your criteria, you'd prefer Fictitious Couple to Overrated Brothers? I'd say anything is better than the first one. At least Bao and Xing would have some kind of rollercoaster relation, instead of a trashy neutral fictional one. Xing and Bao have dozens of ploys, both inside the novel and in History. I don't see the ploy in Guan Suo X BSN relationship
Have to say it sure looks like a double standard to me to prefer one fictional couple(lol buttbrothers) and then trash on another fictional couple. Yeah, I just called Xing and Bao fictional because the Guan Xing and Zhang Bao that everyone loves SO much are fictional ones made up in ROTK that have little to do with their real selves beyond having the same name. The real Zhang Bao died as a child and Guan Xing didn't do anything beyond sit behind a desk and push papers. You don't see the ploys(is that even how you use that word?) in Suo and Bao because you never read the Hua Guan Suo Zhuan. Pretty simple deduction really.
If people like the novel that much, they wouldn't have problems with Guan Xing X Zhang Bao. Indeed, Bao died as a child and Guan Xing was a politician, but at least they properly existed.
I had only heard of SGZ, ROTK and Chen Shou's records, but never of HGSZ. Oh, and, yeah, I never read any of them. Still, you yourself are double standarded, following your logic. Guan Xing and Zhang Bao are more notorious, have way more ploys within the novel only, and are real. Do enlighten me of what ploy could GS and BSN have, except for that: "I, BSN, am ze fighter who fought Guan Suo, wuz pwn'd den marrid 'im"

Anyway, I still defend a lot of other adds before adding the buttbrothers and the Fictitious couple. I'd prefer seeing Liu Shan and Liao Hua in before them

@SunWu80: I never said I wanted them :mellow:
Edited by Demonic Warrior, Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:03 am.
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Demonic Warrior
Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:44 am
Xing and Bao have dozens of ploys, both inside the novel and in History.
Novel: "Hey, our dads are dead; let's go avenge them!"
History:....................Nope, they did nothing.

Demonic Warrior
 
I don't see the ploy in Guan Suo X BSN relationship
Affirmative action
Yeeeep. Because there's a quota of how many women are playable per game.
Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell through the interwebz.
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Only musical track that I want to here in DW7 from past games is Vengeance (my favorite of all the time), so if there would be some remix of it, I`ll be glad.

About Zhang Bao and Guan Xing haven`t point, i don`t like both pairs. Fictional (Suo and Ba) and historical (Bao and Xing), they both uninteresting for me. Ma Yunlu, Fa Zheng, Wang Ping, Liao Hua and Zhang Yi are more interesting and battle-oriented (except Fa).
Edited by WarHawk, Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:04 am.
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First off, I have to agree with Seraphil's idea on character rotation. I would pray Koei could somehow see that message and follow through with it. As for the responses of what fans would hate about it, I say . . . who cares what fans hate/think? Fans also think that so and so is a better add than such and such or this person needs to die at this time. I mean, what do they intend to do about it? Complain? Cry? Drive to Koei co. and smash up the place? Who wouldn't want better perspectives on factions like: Yuan Shao or maybe even Dong Zhou, other than the same exact stories being told in a different way? How can factions like that expand with SO many characters being added and more to come?
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:03 am
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:58 am
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:57 am
Demonic Warrior
Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:44 am
Xing and Bao have dozens of ploys, both inside the novel and in History.
Novel: "Hey, our dads are dead; let's go avenge them!"
History:....................Nope, they did nothing.

Demonic Warrior
 
I don't see the ploy in Guan Suo X BSN relationship
Affirmative action
Yeeeep. Because there's a quota of how many women are playable per game.
Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell through the interwebz.
Sorry, I was. I'm just remembering a conversation I had way back when Yue Ying was announced as the last decloned character in Special and that being someone's defense.

'She's a woman, they HAVE to have a playable woman!'

Sorry for any confusion.

Edit: As for the rotation, I'll bite, so long as there are enough characters of interest to warrant a purchase. Sorry, but I am very, very character oriented and often times that (and sometimes Gameplay) will be the deciding factor if I purchase a game or not. Sure, the story and character development might be great, but if it's characters I've already decided I don't like, why bother?

I'd have to see how something like that would play out before giving a straight up answer. I'm afraid that I'm too biased myself to go along with it completely.
Edited by ChibiGingi, Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:14 am.
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Seraphil
Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:41 am
I get the feeling the decision might have come down to Guan Suo + Bao Sanniang or Guan Xing + Zhang Bao... and honestly anything is better than the second pair in my eyes.
So, to your criteria, you'd prefer Fictitious Couple to Overrated Brothers? I'd say anything is better than the first one. At least Bao and Xing would have some kind of rollercoaster relation, instead of a trashy neutral fictional one. Xing and Bao have dozens of ploys, both inside the novel and in History. I don't see the ploy in Guan Suo X BSN relationship
Have to say it sure looks like a double standard to me to prefer one fictional couple(lol buttbrothers) and then trash on another fictional couple. Yeah, I just called Xing and Bao fictional because the Guan Xing and Zhang Bao that everyone loves SO much are fictional ones made up in ROTK that have little to do with their real selves beyond having the same name. The real Zhang Bao died as a child and Guan Xing didn't do anything beyond sit behind a desk and push papers. You don't see the ploys(is that even how you use that word?) in Suo and Bao because you never read the Hua Guan Suo Zhuan. Pretty simple deduction really.
If people like the novel that much, they wouldn't have problems with Guan Xing X Zhang Bao. Indeed, Bao died as a child and Guan Xing was a politician, but at least they properly existed.
I had only heard of SGZ, ROTK and Chen Shou's records, but never of HGSZ. Oh, and, yeah, I never read any of them. Still, you yourself are double standarded, following your logic. Guan Xing and Zhang Bao are more notorious, have way more ploys within the novel only, and are real. Do enlighten me of what ploy could GS and BSN have, except for that: "I, BSN, am ze fighter who fought Guan Suo, wuz pwn'd den marrid 'im"

Anyway, I still defend a lot of other adds before adding the buttbrothers and the Fictitious couple. I'd prefer seeing Liu Shan and Liao Hua in before them

@SunWu80: I never said I wanted them :mellow:
You haven't even seen how Guan Suo looked nor have you saw him in action. How can you hate something you know nothing about? What do you intend to do about SuoXBao? Absolutely nothing, except attacking peoples' liking towards semi-fictional characters. You should have learned that everything isn't going to go by the book; there shouldn't even be an explanation for your questions, seeing that Bao is already in and Suo is soon to come. The only thing for you to do, is hold your complaints until you've actually see them in action.


:spam: Hey Chibi, i read from another thread that you were from louisiana; what city are you from?
Edited by kaiosuke37, Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:19 am.
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Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:16 am
I'm surprised Koei doesn't do a character rotation with each new game. As in, removing a good chunk of the cast for one game in exchange for a bunch of others to rotate in to take their place as playable, then mix it up further in the next game, and so on. It's a similar system to how Super Robot Wars works with how it includes the various mecha series. In DW's case it could instead be done as focus on different specific storylines.

Example:

DW8: has Ma Chao, Ma Dai, Pang De and Ma Teng and has the Liang battles and events heavily emphasized
DW9: Ma Dai, Pang De and Ma Teng are benched, while we get say Yuan Xi, Yan Liang, Wen Chou and Tian Feng and this time there's a big focus on the Yuan family and the northern battles
DW10: The four added Yuan characters are benched, Ma Teng and Pang De are brought back, and Meng Da, Fa Zheng, Zhang Ren, Li Jue and Zhang Xiu are added with the focus this time on early pre-Liu Bei Shu and the remnants of Dong Zhuo's force + their battles/events with the Liang guys and Zhang Lu, etc.

This is what I would do if I was in charge of the scenario writing for DW series.
Do you know how many people would ***** and complain about who doesn't have the main focus?
lol
And how many games Koei would have to make to appease the fan's desires?
I'm just curious, have you played Samurai Warriors at all? I'm not gonna ask if you've played Super Robot Wars because there's a 99% chance you'll say no.

But in regards to SW series, this is exactly what they've been doing as far as "focus" goes. It's not merely ONLY ONE focus(did you really want me to write out a huge wall of text laying out the entire game instead of a small example to explain what I mean?)

SW1: Focus on Nobunaga's rise, Shingen and Kenshin's rivalry, and Yukimura's struggle
SW2: Focus on Hideoyshi's rise, Sekigahara, and the Justice Trio
SW3: Focus on Shingen-Kenshin-Ujiyasu, Nobunaga-Hideyoshi-Ieyasu, Mitsunari-Kiyomasa-Kanetsugu, and expansion on both the far south and north theatres as well

In fact they've done the character rotation thing to a very small extent(Yoshimoto much?)
Of course I posted in the SW Forum numerous times when SW3 was coming out if you don't recall my posts were of narrow viewed then, now I'm just used to what Koei has to throw at me.

And your right I've never even heard of that game. XD

Oh yeah! I totally forgot about that...
However Koei's combining all the stories as the games go on are they not?
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:spam: Hey Chibi, i read from another thread that you were from louisiana; what city are you from?
Gonzales, (almost) smack dab in the middle of Baton Rouge and New Orleans.

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So, new info this week? Nice.
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:spam: Hey Chibi, i read from another thread that you were from louisiana; what city are you from?
Gonzales, (almost) smack dab in the middle of Baton Rouge and New Orleans.

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So, new info this week? Nice.
:off topic: ah, I'm in Bossier City ;)


Hopefully we'll get two new characters showcased >_> . . .
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I was typing my response too fast to think about anything else, but I don't think affirmative action is the only reason though. The tales about BSN and Guan Suo are probably fairly popular in China, maybe even in Japan; and the response from the Asian market may have been more kind to BSN. Maybe the Asian market is a lot bigger for female video game characters than it is over here, I don't know.

But unless you've been living in China for a large portion of your life and know a lot about the tales of BSN you can't say you weren't surprised at her addition.

And even so, you can't say that affirmative action wasn't the reason for at least a couple of the females who have been added; that's just because females were of little importance back then. But I don't even blame Koei for adding some of the females they have. Diao Chan, SSX, Yue Ying, and Zhen Ji to a lesser extent are all understandable to me.

Now I've lost the direction of this post. It was mainly the first line of that last paragraph.
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New reveals tuesday...nice, well I'm just guessing.
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Hope Pang De will be revealed this week.. (along with Xiao Qiao) :XD
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:spam: Hey Chibi, i read from another thread that you were from louisiana; what city are you from?
Gonzales, (almost) smack dab in the middle of Baton Rouge and New Orleans.

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So, new info this week? Nice.
:off topic: ah, I'm in Bossier City ;)


Hopefully we'll get two new characters showcased >_> . . .
No way! I used to live in Louisiana. Born and raised there. (in Mandeville, Covington, and Hammond)
:ot:

Other than the usual character reveal, you think they'll have another trailer or gameplay screenshots? Hopefully they won't disappoint us
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I'm surprised Koei doesn't do a character rotation with each new game. As in, removing a good chunk of the cast for one game in exchange for a bunch of others to rotate in to take their place as playable, then mix it up further in the next game, and so on. It's a similar system to how Super Robot Wars works with how it includes the various mecha series. In DW's case it could instead be done as focus on different specific storylines.

Example:

DW8: has Ma Chao, Ma Dai, Pang De and Ma Teng and has the Liang battles and events heavily emphasized
DW9: Ma Dai, Pang De and Ma Teng are benched, while we get say Yuan Xi, Yan Liang, Wen Chou and Tian Feng and this time there's a big focus on the Yuan family and the northern battles
DW10: The four added Yuan characters are benched, Ma Teng and Pang De are brought back, and Meng Da, Fa Zheng, Zhang Ren, Li Jue and Zhang Xiu are added with the focus this time on early pre-Liu Bei Shu and the remnants of Dong Zhuo's force + their battles/events with the Liang guys and Zhang Lu, etc.

This is what I would do if I was in charge of the scenario writing for DW series.
You know something? That gave me the idea for another scenario.

KOEI releases a bare bones game, improving the gameplay, graphics, and AI and other stuff with, say, the cast from DW4. From there, they release expansion packs/DLC with different themes.

-A pack that contains Ma Chao, Ma Dai, Pang De, Ma Yunlu, Ma Teng, whoever... a Liang battle pack.
-A pack based around Cheng Du warriors and their stories after Liu Bei takes over... Meng Da, Fa Zheng, Li Yan, Zhang Yi, Yan Yan, etc.
-One for various others forces... you get the idea.

Basically your idea, but twisting it for DLC/expansion packs. KOEI would get more money from this model (I think), and they don't have a responsibility to justify certain characters appearing or not.

Or something.
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今週は情報公開の予定です。新キャラ情報もあります。


The newest Tweet from the smusou6 Twitter, in case anyone missed it or wants to translate it properly ^^
"Information will be revealed this week. Including information on new character(s)"

Edit: put in the (s) cos it could mean singular or it could mean plural.
Edited by melange, Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:43 am.
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今週は情報公開の予定です。新キャラ情報もあります。


The newest Tweet from the smusou6 Twitter, in case anyone missed it or wants to translate it properly ^^
"Information will be revealed this week. Including information on new characters"
yeah!! :dance: new character
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