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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,549 Views)
Shadowclaimer
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I knocked my directed attack at him off there, my post should be directed at everyone in general, even I'm guilty of acting like a jerk in this thread, and none of us should be. We're all Dynasty Warriors fans and should be acting in a better manner towards eachother, whether we agree or not.
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No, no. It's the fact that I was trying to be optimistic about something, and you guys had to bring my optimism down.

I'm trying to have some shred of hope that maybe, just maybe characters will have different charge attacks, but you guys keep trying to tell me otherwise, and I already said that I want to see more proof of this.

Maybe I'm not as simply pleased as people here are. I loved DW5 because everyone had different charge attacks, although with slight variations. They still felt unique to me.

I'm sharing my opinion, and it may seem hostile, but I won't sugarcoat anything for anyone. I don't have to kiss any of your asses.
Edited by TrevorxTravesty, Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:32 pm.
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ARGH! Another chance passed up to change Xu Zhu. And somehow he's gotten even bigger and oafier. Ugh.. with him in Wei it's hard to take the kingdom seriously.. thank goodness Cao Cao is still badass enough to make Wei stand out still.

It's not even the weight that's the problem here, it's his demeanor. I suppose we'll have to wait and see how his personality is this time around. If he's dopey and oafey as usual I'll be disappointed. But if he turns into a rage-possessed hulk when you actually fight as him I'll be happier.

And wow, looks like Wei is getting the shaft so far in character count.. or am I unaware of any characters to be added?
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:16 pm
Problem is EX and Musou moves are used so rarely compared to Charge attacks that are used all the time. I think this is the problem most have with it, like Trevor said.

Also remember EX attacks are only used with your main weapon so you're still going to be predominantly using those weapons as at least one of your two options in battle. Which case it would be pretty lame using the 9th Dao user if they all have the same Charge attacks.

What bothers me, is that between the 48 unique movesets of DW5 (some weapons that were the same but shared charge attacks) and the movesets of DW6, there should be more than 62 unique movesets, so why are we only getting 35 (number of weapons in DW7) movesets? More corner-cutting.
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I'm not going to give it up. I didn't back when I wished for Kingdom mode rather than individual stages, and I got that. I wanted more weapons that could be switched between the characters since Dw5, and I got that. Seems most of what I wished for over the years are coming with DW7s release.

So now I will continue to ask for at least the ability to use a advanced CAW system in Empires to make genaric officers like Yuan Shu unique officers.
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Nobody said that the clones were confirmed.

It only says that if it did, that does not interfere.
(Me and some others).

It was quite right to think that.
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Shadowclaimer
Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:28 pm
I knocked my directed attack at him off there, my post should be directed at everyone in general, even I'm guilty of acting like a jerk in this thread, and none of us should be. We're all Dynasty Warriors fans and should be acting in a better manner towards eachother, whether we agree or not.
Agreed. Everyone should calm down a bit. It's a game. It shouldn't get people so worked up. It's fine having an opinion on something, positive or negative, but try and get it across with out the insults or flaming and we can all have a decent discussion.
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TrevorxTravesty
Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:22 pm
You're right, Fantaji. Everyone is right to think what they want. Which is why there are many mindless clones on here as well....It's like the clones escaped from the game & into here, and many people think alike, or are just blind followers being shepherded by Koei.

Hook, line & sinker.
Okay man, thats enough alright. I have no issue with you voicing your complaints about the game or even Koei and what not, but your last three posts have basically insulted anyone who isn't bothered by the clone issue and labeled them as mindless, ass kissing, sheep.

Just because I, Fantaji, or anyone else doesn't have the same issues you have with the game doesn't mean we're bowing down and kissing Koei's feet. For my part I play Warriors games for what they are, a simple hack and slash. I get to pick a character, and kill hundreds of peons in an era that I am fond of. Whether or not the character I pick shares moves or is a clone of someone else doesn't bother me, it never has, I played DW6 and thought it was alright, granted probably the worst of the DW series but still alright by my standards.

Stop acting like those of us who aren't as upset as you are mindless sheep just following Koei.
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But was it necessary to shoot down what we think and believe in because we're fine with it in such a manner though? The point is everyone has a breaking point of what they're fine with and what they aren't, just because some people are fine with something and someone else isn't doesn't make you a kiss-ass or anything as some people have been throwing around in here.

I'm usually a pessimist, and I'm happy with this, if Charge attacks are unique then hell yea, I'll be even happier, but I'm fine if they aren't.

I understand you want more proof, and we're not aiming it at you, but the evidence mounted so far definitely shows it as being false.

If you want the best set of evidence open up the Jin video, watch Guo Huai's movements with the Arm Cannon, then watch Xiahou Dun's movements with it in the other ones. The Charge attacks are identical, that was the one that set it for me sadly.

Besides that best we can do is just wait. I'm really hoping I'm wrong.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:50 pm
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:48 pm
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:30 pm
What I hope to see is Yuan Shu as a Other character in DW7 using DLC. I'm sure they could add some scenes to get the history behind this slighted and important character. That said, the main reason is to make him available for Empires.

OR the other option is allowing the player to create a unique Yuan Shu in Empires to replace the genaric one. Something I would like to see as a option in Empires, the ability to use a advanced CAW system to change the looks and weapons of ALL genarics.
Eh, we just have to give it up.

He's not fictional enough for Koei to add. Too much real history / RTK ties for him.

Now go add a thirteenth Dao-user to the database Koei and make all of their charge attacks the same, it'd be brilliant.

Out of curiosity, not like being a smartass or anything but what weapon would you give Yuan Shu?

In my sketches I gave him a Kryss and in another a really crooked dagger.
I'd give him Hook blades. The Kris with the wave blade is also nice. The Kris with a shield would be another good option.
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I'm still getting the game, of course. I am a fan of this series. But do I have to be pleased with Koei's actions? No. I don't. Do you guys have a right to your opinions? Yes. You do. But do you have a right to bring my optimism down? No. You don't. You're trying to get me to admit defeat, and I just won't do it without a fight.

@Shadowclaimer The reason why Xiahou Dun is using the same moves....Is because that is Guo Huai's arm cannon! You seriously think that Koei would make poster boy Zhao Yun share the same charge moves with other spear users? Are you serious?! He's NEVER been a clone of anyone. Ever. Same goes for Guan Yu. AND Xiahou Dun.
Edited by TrevorxTravesty, Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:38 pm.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:36 pm
I'm still getting the game, of course. I am a fan of this series. But do I have to be pleased with Koei's actions? No. I don't. Do you guys have a right to your opinions? Yes. You do. But do you have a right to bring my optimism down? No. You don't. You're trying to get me to admit defeat, and I just won't do it without a fight.
No one is out to do anything except trying to make you stop being such an ass to the rest of us because of our opinions. You can't just look at us and call us sheep because our opinions differ from yours. We just want you to realize our opinions are perfectly valid as well.

If you don't wanna change your mind, that's fine, we're not calling you a rebellious pessimist or anything. We expect the same treatment in kind. Cling onto your hope as long as you want, I'm still clinging onto Pang De being added and Zuo Ci.

I'm not arguing with you, I don't want to argue with you, I just demand the same respect and honor you do. There's a heavy line between debating and arguing and we aren't trying to step into that territory.
Edited by Shadowclaimer, Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:39 pm.
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I'm just getting tired of the people who think differently getting attacked for it. Lord Yuan Shu voiced his opinion, and people got all over his case. Was it justified? No. You see how it feels being on the other side of the fence?

I am sorry that I don't share people's devotion to Koei. To me, they aren't a godsend.
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give me a moment and maybe i will be able to find the answer in this mess about the charge attacks, anyway as shadowclaimer and fantaji said theres no reason to cut each other throats everyone has his opinions here we cant all have the same opinion here so lets dont be so agresive and when i say agresive i mean all of us (inlcuding me)
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I'm just done, no point in continuing this, the thread is derailing from here.

My apologies to everyone.
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@Trevor : Actually, people DO have the right to take your optimism down, BUT you should continue fighting for what you think is right, that is good. Although I agree with someone above (didn't bother looking up his name, sorry pal :D) that you shouldn't be treating other people like mindless sheep or something...

As for your main concern about the clones, I am also keeping my hopes up. I mean, sure we've seen that the attack animations are the same in the videos and all that, but we're not 100% sure that those are charge attacks. I'll look into the videos again to verify this, but as of now, I'm still hoping that the charage attacks vary from a person to another, for their EX weapons that is.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:22 pm
You're right, Fantaji. Everyone is right to think what they want. Which is why there are many mindless clones on here as well....It's like the clones escaped from the game & into here, and many people think alike, or are just blind followers being shepherded by Koei.

You know why people like Lord Yuan Shu get attacked? Because people like that don't think like you do. They think differently, and are outspoken, and therefor considered wrong or a heretic that should be burned at the stake.

Hook, line & sinker.
Thats really society as a whole though, if you are a voice of dissent or lack naive optimism then you are an outcast. You can't really blame people anymore though, they are raised from a very young age to have a sheep-like mentality. I don't really find any of this surprising at all.

If you look anywhere, anyone that states anything negative or contrary to the popular view is attacked. It's because people like to lie to themselves and convince themselves that everything is fine. Its easier to do that and get mad at whoever questions anything instead of getting mad at whatever is wrong or whoever is wrong. I'm a huge Koei fan and this is looking to be the best Dynasty warriors yet, but I'm not naive enough to think its going to be perfect and say everything is fine. I can assure you that if games like these were what was in instead of shooters, then all the big name companies would do ten times a better job. No offense meant.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:25 pm
This thread is about to get locked again at this rate, there's no reason for people to be acting like total assholes to eachother because of differing opinions, we're all better than that, let's get this thread back on topic and stop sniping eachother at the throat over stuff we don't know for sure.

Across the board, both sides.
Thank you for bringing that up.

Please respect peoples opinions and do not be disrespectful towards others. Calling people stupid or mindless for having their own views and loyalties is not acceptable for which we seek to have a friendly atmosphere.

Moderators here have time and time again asked kindly for those contacting Chin to at least be respectful and think about what you're doing. I've gone over this in a recent post myself.

If I see more of these similar posts from these people we will consider taking action against those responsible. Thank you in advance.
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It actually doe make quite abut of sense sharing charge attacks with the new weapon system. It puts every character on an equal page with each weapon, while giving everyone something unique for the weapon that's best suited to them.

Yes, it would be epic if we got 62 different movesets for everyone. But what if I wanted to use Zhao Yun's spear with Ma Chao? Why should I be forced to use attacks with it that other characters wouldn't use? Then I suppose they'd have to give everyone their own weapon class to distinguish then, which would end up looking a bit odd with 10 different sword styles to choose from. So then they would need to think of different weapons for everyone to work that and they'd just get more and more outlandish (imagine 30 or so officers with weapons as WTF inducing as a paintbrush).

So thats basically the way it would have to work. Sorry if you've not understood this post, it probably sounds far better in my head. If you did however, I applaud you.
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TrevorxTravesty
Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:41 pm
I'm just getting tired of the people who think differently getting attacked for it. Lord Yuan Shu voiced his opinion, and people got all over his case. Was it justified? No. You see how it feels being on the other side of the fence?

I am sorry that I don't share people's devotion to Koei. To me, they aren't a godsend.
i have to say that i'm on the side that doesn't mind the clones but that doesn't mean that i think KOEI are perfect of a godsend, they are far from it. i'm just not bothered by clones because to me they are not the be all and end all of the game.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:44 pm
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:22 pm
You're right, Fantaji. Everyone is right to think what they want. Which is why there are many mindless clones on here as well....It's like the clones escaped from the game & into here, and many people think alike, or are just blind followers being shepherded by Koei.

You know why people like Lord Yuan Shu get attacked? Because people like that don't think like you do. They think differently, and are outspoken, and therefor considered wrong or a heretic that should be burned at the stake.

Hook, line & sinker.
Thats really society as a whole though, if you are a voice of dissent or lack naive optimism then you are an outcast. You can't really blame people anymore though, they are raised from a very young age to have a sheep-like mentality. I don't really find any of this surprising at all.

If you look anywhere, anyone that states anything negative or contrary to the popular view is attacked. It's because people like to lie to themselves and convince themselves that everything is fine. Its easier to do that and get mad at whoever questions anything instead of getting mad at whatever is wrong or whoever is wrong. I'm a huge Koei fan and this is looking to be the best Dynasty warriors yet, but I'm not naive enough to think its going to be perfect and say everything is fine. I can assure you that if games like these were what was in instead of shooters, then all the big name companies would do ten times a better job. No offense meant.
Here it is, folks. One of the best things anyone has ever said on here. And it's the truth.

I wasn't raised to follow anyone, so my opinions tend to come off very brashly. I don't sugarcoat anything, so I apologize if it seems harsh. I am a very blunt person when it comes to my opinion and what I think.

You guys can hate me all you'd like, but it won't ever change how I feel about some of Koei's questionable decisions. I won't waltz around and act like I am indebted to Koei.
Edited by TrevorxTravesty, Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:52 pm.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:31 pm
Nobody said that the clones were confirmed.

It only says that if it did, that does not interfere.
(Me and some others).

It was quite right to think that.
you are right , Koei has never said How many clone we will have in this game
So just wait and see ^_^
Edited by nightmare25109, Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:51 pm.
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Well I gotta say that I'm pretty surprised by guan Suo's design. Definitely looks younger than Guan Ping, but still good. As well please with all the reveals this week. Especially Guan Yu. I don't think my favorite character has looked better. It's like the perfect mesh of his DW3 and DW5 designs.

As for all this chaos over the movesets. What I'm betting on is that the icons just further help to classify weapons like in DW Strikeforce. Where Guan Yu, Lu Meng, etc. all had pike class. I'm honeslty not oo worried about there being clones in this game. Even when Zhang Liao and Guan Yu had the same weapon it was Zhang Liao that fought more like Lu Meng, and even then their s-string was SIMILAR not identical and all the charges were different. I'm thinking the same Will happen on this. We'll get similar s-string and different charge attacks at the worst IMO. Even going back and looking at the PV of Sima Zhao and Xiahou Dun, the only attack I can see that was outright identical was the weapon switch attack. the s-string that i saw still had some differences even though it was similar as I thought it would be. Until we see enough gameplay, especially that of characters that seem to share weapons, we can't really judge much on the movesets, especially based on screenshots. And if worst comes to worst and alot of characters are the same, then just wait for the DLC that is confirmed to have more weapons and give your desired character a different weapon to use. Simple as that.

ANd that's my two cents.
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aishhh *enters this battlefield of a topic*.. xD

does anyone know if UK will be getting the pre-order pens?
They bonuses aren't on Game.co.uk yet, and I'm not sure whether to just wait... hrmm, I want some kind of bonus dammit x3
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:36 pm
I'm still getting the game, of course. I am a fan of this series. But do I have to be pleased with Koei's actions? No. I don't. Do you guys have a right to your opinions? Yes. You do. But do you have a right to bring my optimism down? No. You don't. You're trying to get me to admit defeat, and I just won't do it without a fight.

@Shadowclaimer The reason why Xiahou Dun is using the same moves....Is because that is Guo Huai's arm cannon! You seriously think that Koei would make poster boy Zhao Yun share the same charge moves with other spear users? Are you serious?! He's NEVER been a clone of anyone. Ever. Same goes for Guan Yu. AND Xiahou Dun.
If you're still getting the game, aren't you just as much a mindless sheep?

I'm a fan, but I never bought DW6. And it was a great decision... because of people like me not buying the game, sales were low, and KOEI was forced to overhaul the game for DW7. Don't buy it if you're not happy with it... if you still want to play it, you can rent it or buy a used copy or something.

As for DW7... I'm bracing myself for....

Clones
Same-ish musou attacks
Bad voice acting
Pathetic AI
A lackluster 2P experience
No Pang De, no Zuo Ci
Dumb pandas

And maybe some other stuff that we haven't even considered. If that is enough for you to not buy the game, then don't. If the good outweighs this, then buy it. This is KOEI. You're never going to get a Smash Bros. Brawl level of fan service, a Metal Gear Solid 3 level of story, a GTA4 type of depth, a Resident Evil 5 level of graphics, a Dynasty Warriors 3 good level of AI... just not going to happen.
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