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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
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Shadowclaimer
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I'm just happy we won't have DW6's system. After doing the math for it to compare to my DW7, God that was a terrible choice system. (like 20 Unique Setups possible, Special kinda fixed it but barely.)

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23 Unique Movesets
29 with Special

If you count weapons (not musous or EX's), we're already up to 35-36 in this one, which alone is a major improvement over the previous installment. That's still not counting if charge attacks are unique.
Edited by Shadowclaimer, Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:22 pm.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:57 pm
You guys act like Koei cannot make everyone have their own unique move sets. They did it in DW5, with slight differences. They could do it if they really wanted to, but they're just choosing not to. And no, it wouldn't look silly. Everyone would feel unique in their own way because they'd have their OWN distinct play style.
well i just wanted to say, that i think you're right and i have the same opinion...cause when i read all this here, it seems, people don't even WANT unique movesets oo...can't understand that
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I'd quite like to see Xu Huang with Dian Wei's axe actually ^^
it's not the same really, but it'll do for me x3

But for me, the clone saren't a massive issue really; the big thing fror DW7 will be the new Kingdom mode. The new depth of story excites me! I rarely play as all of the characters after their musou modes in previous games, so i wouldn't even really notice if characters were clones tbh xD
Sure, clones are irriatting, but we got a ton of new characters, only one remaining cut, a new improved story mode and the Chronicle mode... Am I the only one who's extremely happy with this game!? xD

and what's this about Guan Suo apparently getting male attention by accident?
LOL I know Koei would have a blank canvas to do what they want with Guan Suo with him not having much to build on, but surely they must have some reason for such a random idea!? x3
but yeah, should make him funny, especially with his wife LOL
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Here's what you're not getting.

Let's say they split the Sword, and make a Longsword, with slightly different moves.

Every.. single.. character has to get a C1-C5 animation for that weapon, they have to get a walk animation, all their S-strings, their idle animation, etc.

Its too much development time consumed for such little gain, they'd be better off spending that time developing a whole new weapon type. Now, do I hope that someday they do it? Sure, why not, but for them to do it just so Sun Jian has different swing animations? That's a little bit extreme.
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I am so happy at the reveals this week :) I know im just gonna love the Guan's drama in this story as ive already heard glimpses of what happens to them ;) The best news is Guan Ping has his sword back XD His moveset rocked for me in DW5, my favorite in the game, well done Koei!
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:30 pm
I am so happy at the reveals this week :) I know im just gonna love the Guan's drama in this story as ive already heard glimpses of what happens to them ;) The best news is Guan Ping has his sword back XD His moveset rocked for me in DW5, my favorite in the game, well done Koei!
Same, I kinda was meh about the idea of Guan Suo before, but seeing them use it to accelerate Guan Ping's age and using Guan Suo to take the young kid look makes me happy.

I missed Guan Ping's old backhand blade.
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If everyone is going to be the same, then they should have more than one Ex. If they had more of those, then I would have no problems with identical movesets. I mean, we have to remember that all the other characters are going to use those same particular weapons as well.


Like what difference will it make choosing a sword from Cao/Zhao/Dun/Quan/Jian if I picked a different character? I seriously think Koei needs to explain the Ex and Musou thing better, because they could be also saying that if Zhen Ji equipped Sun Jian's weapon, the difference will only be the Ex and Musou, right?
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:26 pm
Here's what you're not getting.

Let's say they split the Sword, and make a Longsword, with slightly different moves.

Every.. single.. character has to get a C1-C5 animation for that weapon, they have to get a walk animation, all their S-strings, their idle animation, etc.

Its too much development time consumed for such little gain, they'd be better off spending that time developing a whole new weapon type. Now, do I hope that someday they do it? Sure, why not, but for them to do it just so Sun Jian has different swing animations? That's a little bit extreme.
Maybe because Koei is a third-rate company (Yes, I said it!) so they just won't even try. Other companies could do it, and would blow it out of the water. Quit acting like Koei is incapable of such feats. The fact is they just don't want to put more time into the gameplay. What if, god forbid, the gameplay comes out worse than DW6?!

Will you still defend them and say everything is ok? That they 'tried'? If Koei spent a few more months working on the game, they really could make the gameplay stellar. But, who knows? Maybe things won't be as bad. Hell, maybe Pang De will even be in! Oh...wait... :facepalm:
Edited by TrevorxTravesty, Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:35 pm.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:32 pm
If everyone is going to be the same, then they should have more than one Ex. If they had more of those, then I would have no problems with identical movesets. I mean, we have to remember that all the other characters are going to use those same particular weapons as well.


Like what difference will it make choosing a sword from Cao/Zhao/Dun/Quan/Jian if I picked a different character? I seriously think Koei needs to explain the Ex and Musou thing better, because they could be also saying that if Zhen Ji equipped Sun Jian's weapon, the difference will only be the Ex and Musou, right?
Hmm I'd be on the bandwagon for multiple EX differences, hell I'd be on the bandwagon for having EX's be special charge steps for C3 and C5. I think that'd be better than the current system honestly.

But yes, if you gave Zhen Ji the sword she'd use her flute for her two Musou attacks (whether you had it or not) and she wouldn't have an EX attack with the sword.
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Well it has been A very long time since I have posted on this forum so here take A look. http://inspchin.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/dynasty-warriors-7-siege-weapons-analysis/
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How about a little fun to cool a bit down?

This was the first thing, that came to my mind, as i saw Xu Zhu.
Ben Stiller in "Along came Polly" in the basketball-scene.
Now imagine this happens to Ma Chao in the Battle of Tong Gate.
http://www.landofdan.com/gallery/albums/wpw-dc/PDVD_044.jpg
http://thumbnails.hulu.com/9/45/25704_512x288_generated__pWQQfM2QY0eQFKiy50f3lA.jpg
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kaiosuke37
Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:32 pm
If everyone is going to be the same, then they should have more than one Ex. If they had more of those, then I would have no problems with identical movesets. I mean, we have to remember that all the other characters are going to use those same particular weapons as well.


Like what difference will it make choosing a sword from Cao/Zhao/Dun/Quan/Jian if I picked a different character? I seriously think Koei needs to explain the Ex and Musou thing better, because they could be also saying that if Zhen Ji equipped Sun Jian's weapon, the difference will only be the Ex and Musou, right?
Hmm I'd be on the bandwagon for multiple EX differences, hell I'd be on the bandwagon for having EX's be special charge steps for C3 and C5. I think that'd be better than the current system honestly.

But yes, if you gave Zhen Ji the sword she'd use her flute for her two Musou attacks (whether you had it or not) and she wouldn't have an EX attack with the sword.
Exactly, that's what Koei has benn saying the whole time.

But they could also be talking about characters with defaults as well.

It really makes no sense to have clones if everyone is going to share weapons.

Koei can still incorporate DW6 movesets like they've already done for Zhao Yun. They been working on this for three years!
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Wow, this place manages to be more disgusting every day. Is no one still just simply excited for the game?

Mods: Why do you let this forum wallow in **** like this? Step in, delete posts, sort people out.

On topic, I think all the new reveals look great, and whereas I think Xu Zhu is fine as he is, it WOULD be nice to have him a little more like he was described in the novel.
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Ignoring all this bollocks back and forth about the movesets.

My opinions on the new scans:

Guan Suo - Not that impressed, just like a green Ling Tong without sleeves.

Guan Ping - Happy that he has gone back to his DW5 look, was not a fan of his DW6 look.

Guan Yu - Awesome as always

Zhang Fei - Awesome as always

Sun Jian - I generally like capes so I like his look lol

Cao Pi - Liking his look, a good compromise between his DW5 & DW6 looks I reckon

Xu Zhu - HE'S EATEN ZUO CI & PANG DE & ALL THE UNIQUE MOVESETS!!! Xu Zhu will always be the token fat guy but bloody hell they have gone all out here lol
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I have to point out something here:
let compare Sima Zhao and Xiahou Dun: third charge attack.
I mean: square, square then triangle... (on ps control)
They are exactly the same, you can see for yourself:
Sima Zhao in both the very first gameplay trailer and Jin trailer (at 4:38 and 1:00 respectively)
Xiahou Dun in English Trailer at 1:28
So if Trevorx right, so the third charged the same and the rest different, uhm don't think so.
Unless my eyes are blind.
Hope the next trailer clear things up.


I do however agree with Trevorx that Koei could do much better than this; if they STOP spamming game EVERY years and tried to sit back and make a decent one, especially for this one since its their tenth anniversary
Edited by kd_1412, Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:49 pm.
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maybe in xu zhus musou attack, he chews someone and spitting him out like yoshi in super smash brothers, that would be fun :XD

but i like xu zhu of course, but i am still thinking he is a little bit slow :p
Edited by NineSeven, Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:51 pm.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:32 pm
Shadowclaimer
Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:26 pm
Here's what you're not getting.

Let's say they split the Sword, and make a Longsword, with slightly different moves.

Every.. single.. character has to get a C1-C5 animation for that weapon, they have to get a walk animation, all their S-strings, their idle animation, etc.

Its too much development time consumed for such little gain, they'd be better off spending that time developing a whole new weapon type. Now, do I hope that someday they do it? Sure, why not, but for them to do it just so Sun Jian has different swing animations? That's a little bit extreme.
Maybe because Koei is a third-rate company (Yes, I said it!) so they just won't even try. Other companies could do it, and would blow it out of the water. Quit acting like Koei is incapable of such feats. The fact is they just don't want to put more time into the gameplay. What if, god forbid, the gameplay comes out worse than DW6?!

Will you still defend them and say everything is ok? That they 'tried'?
The point is DW has a lot more to spend their development time on than making certain fanboys happy because there aren't more than 35 unique movesets in the game. (DW5 had about 40, and a good chunk of them were clones by definition, if you mark off just the sword users as clones this game then is even with DW5 for unique movesets)

This is the biggest chunk of content any DW game has had, from battles, to characters, to weapons, to player customization (save for edit mode missing), to story, to ANYTHING.

If you can still sit here and tell me that DW7 has less than DW5 or dare even say it'll have less content than 6, I'll have to sit and laugh till I cry. There's no way you can see all this and still believe it'll have less.

Edit: As a note, trashtalking Koei has no effect on the debate, I could give a damn less who was developing the game. I have no love for Koei.
Edited by Shadowclaimer, Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:49 pm.
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About Xu Zhu: him being fat is what makes him who he is. I'm sick of people thinking that characters have to be EXACTLY like their novel versions. If that were true, then everybody would look pretty non-descript and boring.

Yeah, Xu Zhu's fat and looks like a stupid oaf. That's because he's been like that since the first Dynasty Warriors game ever came out. Changing him would be almost as much of a travesty as it was when they turned no-nonsense tomboy SSX into a fairy princess swooning over her husband in DW6.

Same with Zhang He. He's got an established personality, not to mention more than a few fans. KOEI's not going to change him into a guy with a helmet, scale armor, and a beard just because you think it would be "more cool and historical."

My thoughts about the game, summed up: DLC will be what makes or breaks this game for me. It's already better than DW6 in my book, but then again, almost anything would be better than DW6 in my book. I'm excited about controllable siege weapons and a good many of the new characters, but still incredibly pissed about the lack of Other Musou modes, Free mode, and Pang De.

About the whole "unique moveset" thing, both sides of the argument annoy me a bit. The side that says "nobody is unique" is completely discounting the EX and musou attacks, which will now play much more of a role than the musou attack did in the past. The side that says "it's too much work to give everyone a unique moveset" is simply ignorant; modders have gone in to Dynasty Warriors 5 and given people all sorts of new movesets simply by swapping attack animations from various movesets. Yes, Huang Zhong and Xiahou Yuan have very similar movesets, but I've modded my PC copy of DW5 to put a few of Gan Ning, Zhou Yu, and Yuan Shao's attack animations in their movesets, and it gives them both a unique feel. By simply reusing animations from various movesets in a different sequence, they can make new, unique movesets pretty easily.

I plan on avoiding the issue entirely by simply making sure that every character has a unique combination of weapons when I play as them - their primary weapon plus another one that fits their personality.
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People will whine until their faces are blue about something, then if its fixed, they'll find something new to whine about. Until the game development rests in their hands and their hands alone they will whine until they die of exhaustion.

I'm leaving this thread, I'll continue work in my other thread. I wish you all a good day. I'm tired of getting worked up over the internet.
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I prefer this Cao Pi's outfit to the DW6 outfit, because the outfit from DW6...to me, made him look child like from behind (in DW: SF when in town...that cape...and maybe even the sleeves of his top).

I'm a little late...O_O...90-100+ pages since I was in this thread last.
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Every time someone says anything bad about these games, someone comes telling them to shut up. The thing is, things won't get better if someone won't complain about them, and this series has a lot to improve. I like it, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be better - a lot better, even.
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Yeah, Xu Zhu's fat and looks like a stupid oaf. That's because he's been like that since the first Dynasty Warriors game ever came out. Changing him would be almost as much of a travesty as it was when they turned no-nonsense tomboy SSX into a fairy princess swooning over her husband in DW6.
I disagree. Xu Zhu should be the jovial fat guy who will mess you up if needed. Instead, he comes off like an overgrown baby constantly going on about his next meal. Keep the gut and the simplistic speech patterns. Make his face more realistic, give him a more badass-looking outfit, and get the dopey edge out of his voice so he doesn't sound quite as ridiculously stupid. This would give him more respectability while retaining his established uniqueness.
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You know what one of my favorite Chinese proverbs is? "The wise man embraces silence, while the fool can be heard for miles."

That being said, I am sorry for the chaos I have caused, and for now I will remain silent. But has my opinion changed on how I feel? No.

I will not suckle on Koei's teat & follow blindly. If I see something I feel is wrong, I will address it. Point blank & fangs bared.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:49 pm
Yeah, Xu Zhu's fat and looks like a stupid oaf. That's because he's been like that since the first Dynasty Warriors game ever came out. Changing him would be almost as much of a travesty as it was when they turned no-nonsense tomboy SSX into a fairy princess swooning over her husband in DW6.
I disagree. Xu Zhu should be the jovial fat guy who will mess you up if needed. Instead, he comes off like an overgrown baby constantly going on about his next meal. Keep the gut and the simplistic speech patterns. Make his face more realistic, give him a more badass-looking outfit, and get the dopey edge out of his voice so he doesn't sound quite as ridiculously stupid. This would give him more respectability while retaining his established uniqueness.
maybe he just should be a funny character and not bad-ass and super respected and whatever? there are enough serious characters in wei really..i don't like him either, but he would be so boring, when he would be like dian wei, just fatter...
well just don't play him.
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I've been away for the a day and expected this thread to flood with people once the scans showed up. My thoughts on the scans are:

Xu Chu: Okay, so we all know that he's the chubby and lovable character everybody wants to hug, but doesn't anyone think he's extreme in this installment. I would've liked the design more if he wore something other than the breastplate on top. Imo, he looks pregnant, not fat. All in all, not one of my favorite designs, but it's a little improved compared to the previous game.'

Cao Pi: I like his design a lot. It's a nice mix of DW5 and 6, but I would've liked it a lot more if the color scheme had slightly changed. Frankly, I don't like that his design incorporates a lot of white. I would've loved to have a blue-black combination, but still it's a pretty good design. I expected he would've been a dual blades user. Doesn't bother me much. I think he looks a lot different than Sima Shi though.

Sun Jian: We've already seen him in the screenshots posted a while ago, but it's nice to see his body now. I think it's definitely his best design. I'm glad they used his DW6 appearance and expanded on that. I'm kinda bummed that he's another dao user, but I guess it was expected so...

Guan Yu: We've seen him as well as Zhang Fei in the first DW7 trailer. He looks really good, I'm glad he didn't retain his spiky hair from DW6, and that they used his look in DW5 instead. Blue Dragon is either in the pike or halberd category. I would really enjoy it being in the pike category, because I wouldn't think Koei would make Lu Bu share his weapon.

Zhang Fei: I didn't really like his look in the first trailer, but I've slightly changed my mind. He looks pretty good, although he's missing his headband, and his double-sided spear gets its own category! All in all, it's a pretty good design, but I might use his DW6 DLC costume instead.

Guan Ping: I'm really glad they expanded on both his previous designs. He has that sleeveless shirt that resembles his DW6 one, and his hair is back to being spiky! I do think it looks kinda like Xiahou Dun's a little, but I might change my mind when I see the HD artworks. Really glad he retains his great sword, I wasn't a fan of his spear.

Guan Suo: So, finally the character that everybody seems to hate has been revealed! I don't think he looks as bad as I though he would be. Although he is a bit on the girly side, I think the nunchuks fit him perfectly. It seems his shirt is a little tight, but doesn't really matter. Not the best add, but as long as he's incorporated into the story nicely, then I'm happy.

So, ultimately, definitely a good batch of characters this time around. I''m glad a lot of the characters look better than I expected them to, and it seems there are only four more characters to reveal. Are they going to be released by Famitsu or just updated straight to the website. Imo, it's the latter.

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