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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,546 Views)
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Wasn't that why the complaint thread was made? :P

Anyways, just popping in to give my thoughts on some of the character reveals.

Guan Suo I'm surprised at. I wasn't sure what to expect, but he looks pretty cool so far. Now I can't see him being one of my preferred characters, but I am not disliking him which I thought I would be doing. Will be interesting to see some screenshots and hear his voice.

Xu Zhu is same as always. I've never really bothered with him to be honest, so I am kind of impartial here.

Cao Pi I am dfeinately liking! Yeah I preferred his look in DW6, but this version is still awesome. Again it will be very interesting to hear what he sounds like in this game. Will it be like in DW5 or DW6? Or perhaps even something new? Only time will tell, but I am really looking forward to playing as him. Also, I'm loving that he has the twin swords! Epic! XD

Guan Yu and Zhang Fei are consistently good, and to make any radical changes to them would cause mass outrage among the fans no doubt, so Koei are right to stick to the basic character deisgns. In regard to Guan Yu sharing the same weapon type (pike) with Lu Meng, again I'm not that fussed. I am confident that the movesets will not be a complete clone, given how iconic Blue Dragon is.

Sun Jian, I'm liking this look. I may be in the minority here but I'm glad he ditched the helmet. I'm just hoping he keeps the same voice now. We don't want him to radically change like Sun Quan did (althhough when I listen back, the new voice isn't that bad. It's just a shock to get used to).

Guan Ping I am really liking. I like how he looks more mature, and I didn't really like his DW6 look. This one is based more upon his DW5 look but its not an exact carbon copy, and in my opinion they got it just right!

Seriously can't wait to play this game now!!! :D
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My Friends,

There is a lot of concern about Dynasty Warriors 7 and a few people are getting really personnel and attacking other peoples opinions on this forum. Let us not do this and respect everyones opinions as they are all equal. I would like to share my opinion on what i've seen so far. I've been folllowing DW7 since it was announced at TGS in september and then watched the KOEI uStream on Oct 26th.

So far i am very happy with this game, it is the first game to go past the 234AD timeline. This allows for brand new stories and maps. Hell we have a whole new kingdom of Jin now and this is excellent, they have 9 amazing characters most of whom have unique movesets. We also have a brand new kingdom mode, when comparing this to DW6 where there were limited musou modes this is the better option. Every character now participates in Kingdom mode. I think it is better than musou mode because you do not play the same battles over and over again to complete everyones musou modes. In Kingdom mode you just play through the kingdom story and that is it. No replaying the same 5 stages over and over again. Plus each kingdom has 3 chapters of 15-25 stages so that is more than enough. Plus some stages are split into two and you can play as two different characters in the same stage during the same battle!!! This is great seamless transition!

One of the things i love about Kingdom mode is 'seamless play' We go from cutscene to battle. No menu screens. Just cutscene to battle! How awesome is that. Plus in chronicle mode we have a town to free roam in and purchase/upgrade weapons and items! This is all new and really nice features in DW7. Plus in chronicle mode characters have their own special/gaiden stages which is great because we only got a few last time only in extreme legends add ons. So in chronicle mode we upgrade items/weapons, go around each place in china to each battle, and play gaiden stages, and free roam in a town and talk to people. This is a new feature no other DW had.

People are always going on about clones in DW7 but we have to remember that DW5 did have some clones like the leaders with sword, and some similar weapons had similar moves. DW has always had some form of clones in past games, it was only DW6 where it was very very bad and we only had 8 different weapon types for about 25 characters out of 40. The other 15 were unique so overall there were 23 movests. So far in 7 we have over 35 different weapons/movesets for 62 characters. So far 18 are unique and 16 weapons are used for 2 or 3 characters max (excl dao). This is much less than DW6 cloned weapons.

EDIT: Forgot we have weapon DLC confirmed. Hopefully this could replace not entirely unique characters weapons in packs. They might just release skins of weapons though. But hopefully they will release new unique weapons for some characters :)

Plus people say that movesets for these 18 weapons are the same for each character. Not true, we know that the EX attacks and 2 ground & aerial Musou attacks are unique for each character. Plus i'm sure some charge attacks will be unique to certain character. Also we have 2 weapons to switch between, so switch attacks are unique as well depending on the weapons equipped. So in effect there are not many 'clones' as we all think. Also i'm sure some character like Zhao Yun and maybe a few others will have unique movesets despite sharing weapons with other people. So this means we will have even less clones than we think. So pleas people do not worry so much about these clones, we have high levels of customibility in the game so it is fine.

Also we now have siege weapons to control and new animals to ride. Plus most cut characters have returned now to the game (Nanman :dance: ) so we will have lots of their stages in game now during kingdom mode/chronical mode. Even though others do not have story chronical mode is there for them.

I must admit though, despite being hyped for the game, I was crushed when free mode was cut from the game. Then i read about Chronical mode. You start in one place and conquer all the other battlefields around china with any character you want. You unlock weapons/character/gaiden stages as you go. And you can do this online or with a friend! Awesome right! Once you have cleared a stage you can go back and play it as any character. this is free mode right? so free mode is back! But better imo! Also kingdom mode stages should be playable in this mode as we saw Sima Zhao play in YTR (with Xiahou Yuan) (wei side) earlier. Plus because chronical mode is for other characters we can play as others in battles they fought in. e.g nanman or YTR/Dong Zhuo.

So DW7 is looking great and is looking the best DW ever yet people are still complaining. Why? the positives outweigh the negatives! Compared to DW6 this is the best game ever. We have new characters, new kingdom, new costumes, new everything. The graphics and story mode looks good and the new weapons are awesome. Plus enemys can use any weapon. Climbing and swimming is back and renbu is gone. These are all great things. The PS3 version is in 3d so good news there for a few, plus we can change BGM in game and special/4th weapons are back! So lets all buy this game and show KOEI we support them sso they continue to make a better DW8. This really is a great game IMO!

So i will buy it day one :) Don't call me a sheep or anything because i didn't like or buy DW6. (did borrow it from a friend though, gotta admit DW6 did bring new good features but they weren't all that impressive and there was lots of things wrong with the game) I've been waiting for a better game and 7 is it imo! Of course KOEI could have made it better. But they have done really well to get from the disaster of 6 to here. Remember KOEI has a limited budget, they can't do everything!

Thank you for reading this, sorry it is so long.
Edited by ZhugeEX, Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:32 pm.
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Holy crap, what have I caused. Dude I'm sorry for Yuan Shao earlier, yes I am annoyed of your constant constant complaining, but i didnt mean to offend you or your site, but dude what did I cause? My point from that simple 3/4 post argument is that there is a complaint topic for this kind of thing, and it avoids causing storms like this. Oh and, maybe we should take the complaints topic and change it into a debate topic?
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Happy with the game: Mindless sheep.

Not happy with the game: Whiner.

Good grief...
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i realy dont like changing theme but i cant help it noe because as far as i have seen all conquest mode maps are same with the DW6E. I realy hope the kingdom mode maps will be diferent.
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I remember the first like 100 pages 'Yay DW7 xD, Zomg new characters! Zomg new maps! Zomg online Co-op!, Zomg Zomg... Then as it went on... 'This game is ****'. Ungrateful scroungers. If you think you can do better then get off of your ass and do something about it instead of moan moan moan... Oh? You don't want to? Then just appreciate Koei's work. If you don't like it.. don't buy it. Play another game. IT'S. JUST. THAT. SIMPLE. I came to this website when DW7 came out. I discussed on forums. Followed the rules and wasn't rude to anyone. But to be honest... IMO. Most of you are rude, ungrateful, spamming, annoying. In a way that you are LOOKING for something to moan about... Thanks guys on this forum. A lot of you have pissed me off. I've seen a few people saying 'Ugh moaning' and even one guy got so annoyed and left! And don't start lecturing me to put this in the complaints forum. Why should I seeing as no one will read this post. The people who this message is directed at (You know who you are... -.-) won't read it. Besides everyone else moans and complains in here so I don't see why I shouldn't. Hippocritical? Whatever because of you lot im angry and annoyed and my judgement is clouded so whatcha gonna do. So to all the haters/whiners/ungrateful scroungers. I say this to you. Just be grateful and itleast TRY to look at the good points here. 'Ooo but im expressing my opinion' Fair enough I respect that. Now respect my opinion. In my opinion your opinions are pissing annoying and I wish most of you would shut the hell up. IMO. Bye now.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:19 pm
Holy crap, what have I caused. Dude I'm sorry for Yuan Shao earlier, yes I am annoyed of your constant constant complaining, but i didnt mean to offend you or your site, but dude what did I cause? My point from that simple 3/4 post argument is that there is a complaint topic for this kind of thing, and it avoids causing storms like this. Oh and, maybe we should take the complaints topic and change it into a debate topic?
The problem is that people don't know how to debate without resorting to personal attacks.

If people just replied in a civil manner to something they disagreed with, then stated their point, then stated why their point is better without all this "sheep talk, kissing Koei's arse talk" (Not directed at anyone btw) then this would be a much better forum.

My view on the moveset matter:

I hope Trevor is right and that charge attacks are different but I don't think they will be, I think it will just be musou attacks and EX attacks that differ.
For me the biggest thing that seperates a character from another is their attacks....by removing a lot of unique attacks you remove a lot on individuality from each character.

However, the fact that there are two weapons softens the blow a bit. For example, for every dao user I am not going to be using the same secondary weapon so I can differentiate slightly this way.
Plus, there is a lot of other additions I am happy with.

I do still think Koei are a lazy company. If in DW5 there are unique movesets for each character I don't see why there can't be here aswell. Also there is no reason to cut characters. I know all this has been said before but it is true and should not be overlooked.

Koei have the ability to make this game a 10/10 game, not just with Koei fans but amongst other fans as well. Since I started playing DW i've recognised that Koei cut corners here and there in order to sell XL & Empires when they come out and to leave things to add in the next installments. But they should only be adding new things in each game, not taking things away.

I am not whining nor am I kissing Koei's backside....Overall, I am happy with this game...But there is A LOT of things Koei could have done to make it even better.

Edited by LordHale, Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:33 pm.
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@ Buddha0991 DOn't feel too bad. It just all of us in general. We're so damn fickle it's sad.

Like many people have said, it's a lose lose situation. YOu're either a "mindless sheep" or a "whiner." Been there done that at the pandemic forums before lotr conquest. I adamantly defended game and joined against the haters. Then I turned Benedict Arnold and joined the the haters and same with 90 percent of the "mindless sheep." I fear for the forum when this game comes out.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:31 pm
My view on the moveset matter:

I hope Trevor is right and that charge attacks are different but I don't think they will be, I think it will just be musou attacks and EX attacks that differ.
For me the biggest thing that seperates a character from another is their attacks....by removing a lot of unique attacks you remove a lot on individuality from each character.

However, the fact that there are two weapons softens the blow a bit. For example, for every dao user I am not going to be using the same secondary weapon so I can differentiate slightly this way.
Plus, there is a lot of other additions I am happy with.

I do still think Koei are a lazy company. If in DW5 there are unique movesets for each character I don't see why there can't be here aswell. Also there is no reason to cut characters. I know all this has been said before but it is true and should not be overlooked.

Koei have the ability to make this game a 10/10 game, not just with Koei fans but amongst other fans as well. Since I started playing DW i've recognised that Koei cut corners here and there in order to sell XL & Empires when they come out and to leave things to add in the next installments. But they should only be adding new things in each game, not taking things away.

I am not whining nor am I kissing Koei's backside....Overall, I am happy with this game...But there is A LOT of things Koei could have done to make it even better.

Remember that not all 48 characters were 100% unique in DW5. But i agree, i do hope the charge attacks are different for each character somehow. Also remember you switch between 2 weapons and use any 2 weapons not just ex
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:31 pm
I remember the first like 100 pages 'Yay DW7 xD, Zomg new characters! Zomg new maps! Zomg online Co-op!, Zomg Zomg... Then as it went on... 'This game is ****'. Ungrateful scroungers. If you think you can do better then get off of your ass and do something about it instead of moan moan moan... Oh? You don't want to? Then just appreciate Koei's work. If you don't like it.. don't buy it. Play another game. IT'S. JUST. THAT. SIMPLE. I came to this website when DW7 came out. I discussed on forums. Followed the rules and wasn't rude to anyone. But to be honest... IMO. Most of you are rude, ungrateful, spamming, annoying. In a way that you are LOOKING for something to moan about... Thanks guys on this forum. A lot of you have pissed me off. I've seen a few people saying 'Ugh moaning' and even one guy got so annoyed and left! And don't start lecturing me to put this in the complaints forum. Why should I seeing as no one will read this post. The people who this message is directed at (You know who you are... -.-) won't read it. Besides everyone else moans and complains in here so I don't see why I shouldn't. Hippocritical? Whatever because of you lot im angry and annoyed and my judgement is clouded so whatcha gonna do. So to all the haters/whiners/ungrateful scroungers. I say this to you. Just be grateful and itleast TRY to look at the good points here. 'Ooo but im expressing my opinion' Fair enough I respect that. Now respect my opinion. In my opinion your opinions are pissing annoying and I wish most of you would shut the hell up. IMO. Bye now.
You are right man, I do not really like how KW ended up. Why cant I be the middle, I have to either bash the game or be considered a Koei ass kisser...I wish more people were like you dude.
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I'm not saying this to justify what Koei's doing! I'm may be wrong, but maybe Koei has a deadline that they have to meet in order to release the game on time. I know nothing about this but it's only speculation.
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well i never said that i dont apreciate KOEI's work just surised when i see familiar maps. Either way KOEI has done an awesome job with DW7 and fot that i am sure of it.
Edited by ZhaoThun, Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:12 pm.
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I remember the first like 100 pages 'Yay DW7 xD, Zomg new characters! Zomg new maps! Zomg online Co-op!, Zomg Zomg... Then as it went on... 'This game is ****'. Ungrateful scroungers. If you think you can do better then get off of your ass and do something about it instead of moan moan moan... Oh? You don't want to? Then just appreciate Koei's work. If you don't like it.. don't buy it. Play another game. IT'S. JUST. THAT. SIMPLE. I came to this website when DW7 came out. I discussed on forums. Followed the rules and wasn't rude to anyone. But to be honest... IMO. Most of you are rude, ungrateful, spamming, annoying. In a way that you are LOOKING for something to moan about... Thanks guys on this forum. A lot of you have pissed me off. I've seen a few people saying 'Ugh moaning' and even one guy got so annoyed and left! And don't start lecturing me to put this in the complaints forum. Why should I seeing as no one will read this post. The people who this message is directed at (You know who you are... -.-) won't read it. Besides everyone else moans and complains in here so I don't see why I shouldn't. Hippocritical? Whatever because of you lot im angry and annoyed and my judgement is clouded so whatcha gonna do. So to all the haters/whiners/ungrateful scroungers. I say this to you. Just be grateful and itleast TRY to look at the good points here. 'Ooo but im expressing my opinion' Fair enough I respect that. Now respect my opinion. In my opinion your opinions are pissing annoying and I wish most of you would shut the hell up. IMO. Bye now.
I actually did read this, buddy. But guess what? My opinion is still the way it is. And that won't change. Everyone else's opinions won't change, either. You know, if this was like the REAL forums in ancient Rome, a lot of people would be dead by now.

So it's great that we can voice our opinions freely. Some bad things get said (I know I say harsh things, but that's just the way I am. Blunt & very straightforward) and some people will always bow down to Koei, but that's just the way it goes. The more things change, the more they stay the same. But, thank you for sharing your opinion.
Edited by TrevorxTravesty, Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:39 pm.
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Lord Grazzle
Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:31 pm
I remember the first like 100 pages 'Yay DW7 xD, Zomg new characters! Zomg new maps! Zomg online Co-op!, Zomg Zomg... Then as it went on... 'This game is ****'. Ungrateful scroungers. If you think you can do better then get off of your ass and do something about it instead of moan moan moan... Oh? You don't want to? Then just appreciate Koei's work. If you don't like it.. don't buy it. Play another game. IT'S. JUST. THAT. SIMPLE. I came to this website when DW7 came out. I discussed on forums. Followed the rules and wasn't rude to anyone. But to be honest... IMO. Most of you are rude, ungrateful, spamming, annoying. In a way that you are LOOKING for something to moan about... Thanks guys on this forum. A lot of you have pissed me off. I've seen a few people saying 'Ugh moaning' and even one guy got so annoyed and left! And don't start lecturing me to put this in the complaints forum. Why should I seeing as no one will read this post. The people who this message is directed at (You know who you are... -.-) won't read it. Besides everyone else moans and complains in here so I don't see why I shouldn't. Hippocritical? Whatever because of you lot im angry and annoyed and my judgement is clouded so whatcha gonna do. So to all the haters/whiners/ungrateful scroungers. I say this to you. Just be grateful and itleast TRY to look at the good points here. 'Ooo but im expressing my opinion' Fair enough I respect that. Now respect my opinion. In my opinion your opinions are pissing annoying and I wish most of you would shut the hell up. IMO. Bye now.
I actually did read this, buddy. But guess what? My opinion is still the way it is. And that won't change. Everyone else's opinions won't change, either. You know, if this was like the REAL forums in ancient Rome, a lot of people would be dead by now.

So it's great that we can voice our opinions freely. Some bad things get said (I know I say harsh things, but that's just the way I am. Blunt & very straightforward) and some people will always bow down to Koei, but that's just the way it goes. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
But we cant really, if the mods were more active right now, we would be all warned, our posts deleted, told to move along to the complains topic..I dont like how we are limited into having to only say okish things about DW7 in this topic. I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
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ok now let me ask this so how much peoples gonna buy it on this forum after this news etc
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I see what some people are talking about. You can either have to be halfway up Koei's ass or be a whiner, you can't be in the middle. I consider myself in the middle, or at least try to be. But a some people here only have those two opinions on the members here.
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There's so much spam and ungrateful abuse on this forum it's unbelievable.

Can we please just move to a different topic?
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ok now let me ask this so how much peoples gonna buy it on this forum after this news etc
Most of them I bet you :uh:
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I've already stated I am buying this game still. I have my PS3 copy already paid for & just waiting until I can pick it up from GameStop on the 22nd. But just because I am buying the game, doesn't mean I won't ignore some of the things that seem frustrating.

Like MvC3, for instance. I LOVE that game to death, but do I like the smaller roster? Hell no! They could've added so much more! And don't get me started on the lack of a proper story mode...At least SSFIV had that.
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:37 pm
I actually did read this, buddy. But guess what? My opinion is still the way it is. And that won't change. Everyone else's opinions won't change, either. You know, if this was like the REAL forums in ancient Rome, a lot of people would be dead by now.

So it's great that we can voice our opinions freely. Some bad things get said (I know I say harsh things, but that's just the way I am. Blunt & very straightforward) and some people will always bow down to Koei, but that's just the way it goes. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
yeah totaly agreed with that. I havent seen any game that is the perfect, DW7 has a prety small weaknes because when i said suprised i mean shocked with the maps but until now the job on DW7 is nearly awesome when i have more info i shall make my final opinion.
Edited by ZhaoThun, Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:13 pm.
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@Buddha0991 nice quoting voltaire right there. Can't believe I even remember him and what he did.

Back to the game, maybe the Wei pv will allveiate some of this drama but I doubt it will do it much good.
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You know at first I was going to avoid this forum when the game releases because of fear for spoilers. But now it's more of a case of avoiding this place due to the inevitable flame wars between people who love this game and people who will hate this game.
I mean if it's this bad now, then when the game releases, whooh boy.

Personally I already have a good idea what to expect from DW7 after reading up on all the info. And yes I know there will be some disappointments (I know that characters with the same weapons will have the same non-musou/non-ex moves, I won't fool myself thinking otherwise) but there's still a wholle lot to look forward to.

And if even then if the game is not up to scratch then, oh well that's how it is and I may return the game. I won't let DW7 bother me to the point of screaming at forums and such. Personally DW7 isn't the only thing I'm looking forward to these few months. I've got Super Robot Taisen Z2 to look forward to. I've got Dawn of War 2: Retribution to look forward to.

I really don't need to be in a place where people can get so riled up and start insulting and bashing each other, calling the other sheep and the other whiners over one vide game.
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I remember the first like 100 pages 'Yay DW7 xD, Zomg new characters! Zomg new maps! Zomg online Co-op!, Zomg Zomg... Then as it went on... 'This game is ****'. Ungrateful scroungers. If you think you can do better then get off of your ass and do something about it instead of moan moan moan... Oh? You don't want to? Then just appreciate Koei's work. If you don't like it.. don't buy it. Play another game. IT'S. JUST. THAT. SIMPLE. I came to this website when DW7 came out. I discussed on forums. Followed the rules and wasn't rude to anyone. But to be honest... IMO. Most of you are rude, ungrateful, spamming, annoying. In a way that you are LOOKING for something to moan about... Thanks guys on this forum. A lot of you have pissed me off. I've seen a few people saying 'Ugh moaning' and even one guy got so annoyed and left! And don't start lecturing me to put this in the complaints forum. Why should I seeing as no one will read this post. The people who this message is directed at (You know who you are... -.-) won't read it. Besides everyone else moans and complains in here so I don't see why I shouldn't. Hippocritical? Whatever because of you lot im angry and annoyed and my judgement is clouded so whatcha gonna do. So to all the haters/whiners/ungrateful scroungers. I say this to you. Just be grateful and itleast TRY to look at the good points here. 'Ooo but im expressing my opinion' Fair enough I respect that. Now respect my opinion. In my opinion your opinions are pissing annoying and I wish most of you would shut the hell up. IMO. Bye now.
I actually did read this, buddy. But guess what? My opinion is still the way it is. And that won't change. Everyone else's opinions won't change, either. You know, if this was like the REAL forums in ancient Rome, a lot of people would be dead by now.

So it's great that we can voice our opinions freely. Some bad things get said (I know I say harsh things, but that's just the way I am. Blunt & very straightforward) and some people will always bow down to Koei, but that's just the way it goes. The more things change, the more they stay the same. But, thank you for sharing your opinion.
Gosh Trevorx, I thought you would be "silent" and be "a wise man listen, while the fools talk" by now.
But people don't bow to Koei, what are you talking about? Koei bow to us, we are the customers.
They just simply made a game, release it and wait for feedback, made the next installment better somehow.
Because if they don't care how we think, I don't think they bring back good old charged based attack.
If you think you could do better, become a designer, have your own company and do better than them then.

On topic:
The reason we still stay on this forum because, we don't have the game yet
When it come out, nobody would be here. Everyone will enjoy the great amount of characters, variety of weapon with different level, ultimate weapon, seamless action, character interaction, and so much more that the game offer.
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Jason-Voorhees
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the one thing that annoys me is the "i killed an officer " captions, they where very annoying in DW6 when you killed like 7 officers in like 3 seconds, so there's the SAME thing over and over and over, there should be like 4 different enemy officer defeated quotes, not just one
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MODS I KNOW THIS IS OFF TOPIC AND SPAM BUT PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM NEED CHEERING UP!!

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