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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,039,538 Views)
Master cao pi
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Xalfrea
Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:06 am
Again I gotta disagree with you there. Because even if we add blood and swearing, would that make the DW games popular in the west? I doubt it. I've met people who I told about Warriors of Troy. The moment I mentioned Koei, they instantly dismissed it because "Eh, those guys behind those lame Dynasty Warriors? No thanks".

Koei's gonna have to do more then pump up the rating to get the Western audiences to like their games. Which, from the looks of it, don't even care. As long as the DW games sell well in Japan, ie their TARGET audience, that's all they care about.
yea thats true but your forgetting keoi is a big company there goal is to please ALL THE FANS NOT JUST ONE HUGE FAN BASE it wouldnt make sense..

for example - thats like call of duty infinity ward saying 'we dont care about no other fans in other countires only america" thats not there goal... every game company goal is to get as much fan base as they can get....

but in the end dynasty warriors 7 will be a great game even with out the blood and curse words
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The DW games I feel are one of those that can go a bit more over the top in terms of character design, gameplay and take a bit more liberties with the ROTK story. The ROTK games are there for those who want more realism.

Though imagine if DW games had designs akin to Sengoku Basara. I think Lian Shi's orbs would be the least of our troubles.
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Just a question, does anyone know if orbs are gonna come back? i was playin dw4 today for old time sake and i had fun changing orbs, blast, vorpal, fire, etc. i hope they come back even if its like it was in dw5 with just fire ice light and dark
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Master cao pi
Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:23 am
Xalfrea
Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:06 am
Again I gotta disagree with you there. Because even if we add blood and swearing, would that make the DW games popular in the west? I doubt it. I've met people who I told about Warriors of Troy. The moment I mentioned Koei, they instantly dismissed it because "Eh, those guys behind those lame Dynasty Warriors? No thanks".

Koei's gonna have to do more then pump up the rating to get the Western audiences to like their games. Which, from the looks of it, don't even care. As long as the DW games sell well in Japan, ie their TARGET audience, that's all they care about.
yea thats true but your forgetting keoi is a big company there goal is to please ALL THE FANS NOT JUST ONE HUGE FAN BASE it wouldnt make sense..

for example - thats like call of duty infinity ward saying 'we dont care about no other fans in other countires only america" thats not there goal... every game company goal is to get as much fan base as they can get....

but in the end dynasty warriors 7 will be a great game even with out the blood and curse words
They make Dynasty Warriors for the Japanese fanbase, we are just damn lucky we are getting it... They appreciate us being there western fanbase, however they would happily drop us if they wanted..

Also All those Fps games and all those other war games needs the blood and violence because that’s what makes those games... Dw simply would have no reason to use it and it wouldn’t do anything for the game...

And anyway, i heard Jin was put into the game because of the western audience... So we can’t say the don’t listen to us.

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Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:22 am
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:06 am
Again I gotta disagree with you there. Because even if we add blood and swearing, would that make the DW games popular in the west? I doubt it. I've met people who I told about Warriors of Troy. The moment I mentioned Koei, they instantly dismissed it because "Eh, those guys behind those lame Dynasty Warriors? No thanks".

Koei's gonna have to do more then pump up the rating to get the Western audiences to like their games. Which, from the looks of it, don't even care. As long as the DW games sell well in Japan, ie their TARGET audience, that's all they care about.
You've met people who even know about Koei?

Being an older teenager, I am in the crowd that's grown up with DW, which might effect what I've seen. I will tell you that I have only met 3-4 other people who even KNEW about the series, sans the ones I introduced to it.

Two were avid fans, and the only ones who knew about koei, one being utterly repulsed by 6, and the other knowing about it because she was into anime and the eastern culture/boys that got put into the game. The other two had played DW, but were just like, eh it's good, but I don't own it or anything.

I have actually only met one person who didn't like the Dynasty Warriors/Samurai Warriors series and actually played it. Most people I know that introduce to the series give ambivalent or liking responses. I'm sure 7 will bring that same response back.
thats what im saying over here in america..well around the area im from i ONLY KNOW 4 PEOPLE WHO KNOW'S about the dynasty warrior series...

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Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:23 am
Just a question, does anyone know if orbs are gonna come back? i was playin dw4 today for old time sake and i had fun changing orbs, blast, vorpal, fire, etc. i hope they come back even if its like it was in dw5 with just fire ice light and dark
It's highly unlikely, or else it probably would've been announced by now. So I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Yes, orbs were a really nifty feature back in DW4-5, but I think that's where they're gonna stay; although they could come back as DLC, but I highly doubt that.

As with knowing few people that play DW games or know about Koei, I wonder if it depends on the region in America? Cause I live in Washington, and I can honestly say that I know at least 20 or so people who are die-hard DW fans, but again that's just me. Some were fans from the very beginning ala DW1, where as I started with DW3.
Edited by Solsephka, Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:36 am.
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Master cao pi
Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:29 am
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:22 am
Xalfrea
Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:06 am
Again I gotta disagree with you there. Because even if we add blood and swearing, would that make the DW games popular in the west? I doubt it. I've met people who I told about Warriors of Troy. The moment I mentioned Koei, they instantly dismissed it because "Eh, those guys behind those lame Dynasty Warriors? No thanks".

Koei's gonna have to do more then pump up the rating to get the Western audiences to like their games. Which, from the looks of it, don't even care. As long as the DW games sell well in Japan, ie their TARGET audience, that's all they care about.
You've met people who even know about Koei?

Being an older teenager, I am in the crowd that's grown up with DW, which might effect what I've seen. I will tell you that I have only met 3-4 other people who even KNEW about the series, sans the ones I introduced to it.

Two were avid fans, and the only ones who knew about koei, one being utterly repulsed by 6, and the other knowing about it because she was into anime and the eastern culture/boys that got put into the game. The other two had played DW, but were just like, eh it's good, but I don't own it or anything.

I have actually only met one person who didn't like the Dynasty Warriors/Samurai Warriors series and actually played it. Most people I know that introduce to the series give ambivalent or liking responses. I'm sure 7 will bring that same response back.
thats what im saying over here in america..well around the area im from i ONLY KNOW 4 PEOPLE WHO KNOW'S about the dynasty warrior series...

Then introduce the game to your freinds and other people you know then.. dont expect for them to just randomly find the game.
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:31 am
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:29 am
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Xalfrea
Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:06 am
Again I gotta disagree with you there. Because even if we add blood and swearing, would that make the DW games popular in the west? I doubt it. I've met people who I told about Warriors of Troy. The moment I mentioned Koei, they instantly dismissed it because "Eh, those guys behind those lame Dynasty Warriors? No thanks".

Koei's gonna have to do more then pump up the rating to get the Western audiences to like their games. Which, from the looks of it, don't even care. As long as the DW games sell well in Japan, ie their TARGET audience, that's all they care about.
You've met people who even know about Koei?

Being an older teenager, I am in the crowd that's grown up with DW, which might effect what I've seen. I will tell you that I have only met 3-4 other people who even KNEW about the series, sans the ones I introduced to it.

Two were avid fans, and the only ones who knew about koei, one being utterly repulsed by 6, and the other knowing about it because she was into anime and the eastern culture/boys that got put into the game. The other two had played DW, but were just like, eh it's good, but I don't own it or anything.

I have actually only met one person who didn't like the Dynasty Warriors/Samurai Warriors series and actually played it. Most people I know that introduce to the series give ambivalent or liking responses. I'm sure 7 will bring that same response back.
thats what im saying over here in america..well around the area im from i ONLY KNOW 4 PEOPLE WHO KNOW'S about the dynasty warrior series...

Then introduce the game to your freinds and other people you know then.. dont expect for them to just randomly find the game.
lol trust me im trying...i need friends to play dynasty warriors 7 online with

but all my friends are either addicted to call of duty black ops/modern ware 2/ sports games/ and a few others but im trying to get more people hooked on the dw series
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i just want to say as much as i hate to say this the more i look at the cg of the characters i start to hate guan ping a little bit less and i love him alot and i start to like guan suo a little bit more can anyone explain this to me?
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:36 am
i just want to say as much as i hate to say this the more i look at the cg of the characters i start to hate guan ping a little bit less and i love him alot and i start to like guan suo a little bit more can anyone explain this to me?
They were already awesome, you're just beginning to realize it? One thing I do have to say though is that there color scheme is really pretty cool, and judging from your avatar you probably like the color green. Initially you probably disliked them because they maybe looked feminine or emo? But now you're realizing they're more badass or cool I guess? <Just theories, but only you can truly figure out what your thinking :)
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:39 am
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:36 am
i just want to say as much as i hate to say this the more i look at the cg of the characters i start to hate guan ping a little bit less and i love him alot and i start to like guan suo a little bit more can anyone explain this to me?
They were already awesome, you're just beginning to realize it? One thing I do have to say though is that there color scheme is really pretty cool, and judging from your avatar you probably like the color green. Initially you probably disliked them because they maybe looked feminine or emo? But now you're realizing they're more badass or cool I guess? <Just theories, but only you can truly figure out what your thinking :)
i gusse your right mabey its because guan ping looks better than he ever did and i cant grasp it after all im so use to him in other games but as i said im a guan ping lover and my avatar is guan ping's gundam anyway.everyone else was executed perfectly zhange fei and i love guan yu this time around cao pi looks good xu zhu looks fatter still good though sun jian looks same to me.just mabey my eyes are hurt or something that wei pv better fully show xu huang im mad my favorite characters are always revealed last except for lu meng who was first.

anyway this is off topic im probly goona post this on the ask the admins section but how would i go about doing voice acting for koei.
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:27 am
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Xalfrea
Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:06 am
Again I gotta disagree with you there. Because even if we add blood and swearing, would that make the DW games popular in the west? I doubt it. I've met people who I told about Warriors of Troy. The moment I mentioned Koei, they instantly dismissed it because "Eh, those guys behind those lame Dynasty Warriors? No thanks".

Koei's gonna have to do more then pump up the rating to get the Western audiences to like their games. Which, from the looks of it, don't even care. As long as the DW games sell well in Japan, ie their TARGET audience, that's all they care about.
yea thats true but your forgetting keoi is a big company there goal is to please ALL THE FANS NOT JUST ONE HUGE FAN BASE it wouldnt make sense..

for example - thats like call of duty infinity ward saying 'we dont care about no other fans in other countires only america" thats not there goal... every game company goal is to get as much fan base as they can get....

but in the end dynasty warriors 7 will be a great game even with out the blood and curse words
They make Dynasty Warriors for the Japanese fanbase, we are just damn lucky we are getting it... They appreciate us being there western fanbase, however they would happily drop us if they wanted..

Also All those Fps games and all those other war games needs the blood and violence because that’s what makes those games... Dw simply would have no reason to use it and it wouldn’t do anything for the game...

And anyway, i heard Jin was put into the game because of the western audience... So we can’t say the don’t listen to us.

'Happily drop us?'

Ughhh. No.

They are happy as hell that we actually BUY their games allowing them to reap as big a profit as they do currently.

Dynasty Warriors games and all their expansions don't come out here due to the goodness of Koei's heart. They come out here because Koei realizes that they sell at least enough to make the cost of localizing and advertising in English worthwhile.
Edited by WhiteHorseRide, Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:57 am.
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Want to improve the game? I believe Koei will need to do at least the following.

Make sure the Battles stages are large.
Give the player control over his units.
Reward players that use said units in a intelligent manner.
Cut down the god like abilities of the main characters.
Make the AI more intelligent.
Penalize players that wade too deep into enemy lines.
Give a complete sub-game for duels.
Bring more history and ROTK elements into the game.
Bring in a wound system, along with other RPG elements.
Bring in a system that remembers relationships between officers both bad and good.

For Empires.
Add ROTK elements such as Loyality Generalship and Intellegence.
Allow Rulers to confirm Governors and give the Rules the ablility to reward officers.
Relationships are made and broken based what a general does, or doesn't do.
Bring in Siege equipment and battles to the Empire games.
Return a tricked out Ruler mode that is a advanced version of DW5E.
Continue to add more RPG elements to the game.
A advanced CAW system.
Add a system that allows players to change looks, weapons, and costumes of the Genaric Officers. Also allow players to choose colors of troops.
Allow a advanced method of building your army and thier troop types, then attach them to the officers of your choice.
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:01 am
Want to improve the game? I believe Koei will need to do at least the following.

Make sure the Battles stages are large.
Give the player control over his units.
Reward players that use said units in a intelligent manner.
Cut down the god like abilities of the main characters.
Make the AI more intelligent.
Penalize players that wade too deep into enemy lines.
Give a complete sub-game for duels.
Bring more history and ROTK elements into the game.
Bring in a wound system, along with other RPG elements.
Bring in a system that remembers relationships between officers both bad and good.
So basically, make it like Golden Sun or Fire Emblem? Or that other ROTK game?
Edited by Rakolai, Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:11 am.
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Golden Sun and Fire Emblem are good games, but changing or adding too much sometimes isn't a good thing.

Way I see it, Koei is like Nintendo and their stance towards their own titles: Why fix what isn't broken? As long as people keep buying the titles.

Unless there's a sizable amount of the Japanese fanbase that is tired already of the same formula. And besides, remember the LAST TIME Koei tried to change up the game?
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The Trojan Horse
Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:01 am
Want to improve the game? I believe Koei will need to do at least the following.

Make sure the Battles stages are large.
Give the player control over his units.
Reward players that use said units in a intelligent manner.
Cut down the god like abilities of the main characters.
Make the AI more intelligent.
Penalize players that wade too deep into enemy lines.
Give a complete sub-game for duels.
Bring more history and ROTK elements into the game.
Bring in a wound system, along with other RPG elements.
Bring in a system that remembers relationships between officers both bad and good.
So basically, make it like Golden Sun or Fire Emblem? Or that other ROTK game?
Those are different genres :)

Well some parts are a bit agreeable, althought some stages being smaller would benefit, I don't like running from A back to B back to C back to D to run back to A because I wiped out the enemies at D.

Penalizing the person, would be a bit all right, depending, since people running into the middle of the enemy camp and killing everything (usually to kill objective officer) should be a bit disadvantaged so people can blast through stages.

Duels would be nice, loved them in DW4, PRESS START TO CHALLENGE!.
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:08 am
The Trojan Horse
Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:01 am
Want to improve the game? I believe Koei will need to do at least the following.

Make sure the Battles stages are large.
Give the player control over his units.
Reward players that use said units in a intelligent manner.
Cut down the god like abilities of the main characters.
Make the AI more intelligent.
Penalize players that wade too deep into enemy lines.
Give a complete sub-game for duels.
Bring more history and ROTK elements into the game.
Bring in a wound system, along with other RPG elements.
Bring in a system that remembers relationships between officers both bad and good.
So basically, make it like Golden Sun or Fire Emblem?
You'd need squares, turns, and an entire focus on strategy for Fire Emblem. Plus your encouraged to go head into enemy territory in most Fire Emblem maps. (Sorry have to nitpick, its my favorite game series.)

Though I do think taking away those things is absolutely ludicrous. The "god like abilities" in DW are what help define the hack and slash genre, and the game itself, take that away and you shouldn't even call it Dynasty Warriors. Giving the player control of his units would just make the game a lot more boring, ever played Final Fantasy XII or Dragon Age? You control 3-4 units in those games, and even that's a lot to keep up with, you have to setup natural responses and basically make most of your characters AI controlled robots who aren't tactical because they're like simple computers.

I think Trojan Horse is looking for Romance of the Dynasty Warriors however.
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seems like people is getting the wrong idea....

alright dynasty warriors 5 is the best dw game untill dw7 come out ofcourse...koei tried brand new ideas and things in dw6 and it DIDN' WORK OUT AT ALL almost everyone hated dynasty warriors 6...so koei return to the basics and original plateau for dw7 but they just upgraded certain things and added reasonable stuff

(off topic) now lets take another Japanese game(company) namco bandai dragon ball z raging blast franchise...raging blast 1 was good but what was the difference between raging blast 1 and 2 NOTHING AT ALL FAN BASED DROPPED DRAMATICALLY
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Just like to see the game reigned in some. Koei with each addition has gone more extreme, but has lost the tactical element that help make them the company it is today.

I want a new ROTK yes, but I also want to see DW become a hybrid. A sort of DW meet Kessen with a few ROTK elements added. Think of it as a very ROTK lite.

The use of toggle switches would really make this happen. Turn off most of them and you get a basic hack and slash. Turn them all on and you get the hybrid I am describing. You get the best of both worlds, and allows the players to determine how they want to play.
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Just like to see the game reigned in some. Koei with each addition has gone more extreme, but has lost the tactical element that help make them the company it is today.

I want a new ROTK yes, but I also want to see DW become a hybrid. A sort of DW meet Kessen with a few ROTK elements added. Think of it as a very ROTK lite.

The use of toggle switches would really make this happen. Turn off most of them and you get a basic hack and slash. Turn them all on and you get the hybrid I am describing. You get the best of both worlds, and allows the players to determine how they want to play.
What you're describing kinda sounds like Empires to me or the Kessen franchise.. :shifty:
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Leave D.W as it is. Some of us like the deviation from history.

Au Realease date:
It has been confirmed that australia will be getting DW7 on the 1st..like europe.Hope that helps guys~
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Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:01 am
Want to improve the game? I believe Koei will need to do at least the following.

Make sure the Battles stages are large.
Give the player control over his units.
Reward players that use said units in a intelligent manner.
Cut down the god like abilities of the main characters.
Make the AI more intelligent.
Penalize players that wade too deep into enemy lines.
Give a complete sub-game for duels.
Bring more history and ROTK elements into the game.
Bring in a wound system, along with other RPG elements.
Bring in a system that remembers relationships between officers both bad and good.
So bassicly you want

1 - The stages from dw2 were pretty big
2 - Empires has that
3 - Empires again
4 - umm??.. You mean make character more balanced?..
5 - Dw4 AI
6 - Dw2 again, you get pwnd going way to deep
7 - ROTK
8 - History?.. You mean the Novel... And ROTK is to different, it would change the game completely
9 - I think they had that, They need to improve the Moral system
10 - Intersting Idea, but very unbalanced at times.

Mmmmk..

And for your "Empires" Suggestion... Thats just turning the game into ROTK.. (In which im actually playing right now (11) :XD ) So yeh.. no..

Also CAW sucks :blink:

@Yuqi

Source please?
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I miss bodyguards =/

I'd like to see them make a comeback now that the AI is "improved". Would be nice to run with an army of 15 soldiers at your back that you customly setup and levelup again.
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I miss bodyguards =/

I'd like to see them make a comeback now that the AI is "improved". Would be nice to run with an army of 15 soldiers at your back that you customly setup and levelup again.
Lol yeh, while you hack and slash your way through an enemy officer just so after all your hard work, they can fly in like a ninja and steal your kill and then end up dieing like 5 mins later anyway because they suck..

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Shadowclaimer
Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:43 am
I miss bodyguards =/

I'd like to see them make a comeback now that the AI is "improved". Would be nice to run with an army of 15 soldiers at your back that you customly setup and levelup again.
Lol yeh, while you hack and slash your way through an enemy officer just so after all your hard work, they can fly in like a ninja and steal your kill and then end up dieing like 5 mins later anyway because they suck..

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THIS RIGHT HERE MADE ME RAGE SO MUCH. Especially when trying to get 4th's.

If they do bring back bodyguards, they need to seriously improve their AI. I've sat back and let them fight before, and it can take upwards of 2 minutes for bodyguards to kill a single squad

But they always managed to get that last hit on an officer. Always.
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