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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v4]; READ the first post before posting.
Topic Started: Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:32 am (1,040,018 Views)
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kaiosuke37
Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:56 am
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:15 am
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Please, enlighten me. I tend to see 98% of videogames that are made have fictional characters in it.
When it comes to History, fiction is never justifiable. Bao and Suo are hardly important in any of the novels. Only in that one Seraphil mentioned. Anyway, we could have a plethora of adds before them. Wang Ping, Ma Yun Lu herself, Fa Zheng, Zhang Yi, even Liu Shan and Liao Hua could be better
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So you're saying just because you read the novel, you're completely right about everything? Completely right about who is to be added? Just because Koei took things from the novel YOU read, doesn't mean that there are going to do everything Luo based. Did you not read the part about where I said that Koei is not going a 100% by the book? You're only going to see footnotes of the novel in DW
Are you trying to troll me? Seriously, don't you know the democratical right of Freedom of Speech, a right that you can try, but won't suppress? I never said I'm completely right. Before arguing with me, learn how to interpret texts. Also, I never read any novel. I base myself on history
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Isn't it obvious? It's because they like them; could be even fan related as well.
Oh, yes, I heard many people here saying: "OMG, I, ze beztest KOEI fan, wantz Guan Suo and Bao Sanniang" If they tried to please their fans, they most likely failed, then
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And how do you know if Ma Yunlu won't get portrayed poorly? Maybe even worse than Bao; kind of like what happened to Xing in DW5.
= Logical straw. First, I never defended Xing Cai. Second, I said I rather have Ma Yunlu then Bao. It doesn't mean I want Ma Yunlu. Again, you misread something there. Also, risks must be taken in life and even in game development
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I never said I wanted to avoid conflict, it's because you have nothing to back up your opinions about both Suo AND Bao; seeing that you haven't even read about them or seen how is Koei portraying their storyline; I'm only stating that you should hold your judgements until you actually see them not doing anything with the storyline. Plus, it wouldn't benefit me taking any advice from you; seeing as how close-minded you are.
Touché. I back myself up with history, and I'm not the one here trying to interfere with people's right of Freedom of Speech. You're mind isn't even closed, because it was never open. Really, friend, tell me where in History do Guan Suo and Bao Sanniang appear. He is essential, like Seraphil and others said, in one novel. The Era has lots of fictional novels, and in most of them, they're not mentioned
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I dislike old characters and both Cheng Pu and Liao Hua have chances of being old.
Long life doesn't = old age. Sun Quan and Lu Xun are dead proof of that. Jia Xu is aswell. So this = Fallacy
Wow. You still continue to say that I'm trying to suppress your . . . freedom of speech? If you're basing your information off of history, then I can tell you that playing DW will only make you one unhappy camper. Have you read any encyclopedias in the musou games? 97% of them are fictional. If having a certain name for you is THAT important, then you should your rethink games, you'll only set yourself up for dissappoint. The fact that you're only taking portions of my replies, it's only taking this argument in circles. I would rather discontinue this debate. Although I must say, I apologize for thinking you actually read the novel. ^_^
Because you are. Whenever you tell people not to complain, for whatever reason, you're dictating them into being quiet, to avoid conflict. Question is that you don't have the right to do that.

Having certain name is important, but not having trashy fictional characters already wins me the year.

Also, whoever read the novel or not could counter-argue you calmly. Also, a lot of parts on the Encyclopedias are right.

@Little Conqueror of Jiang Dong: You're right, but I use both of the meanings you stated. Neither private entities nor my country's government (fairly democratical) will dictate what I think. That's a question of opinion
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They added in Liu Chan? Great... They added in the most worthless character. I highly doubt that Koei's Liu Chan will be anything like the incompetent fool fom History/Novels/Other Forms of Literature. Instead Koei will make Liu Chan look like a skilled good guy who did everything in his power to save Shu and that his court apparantly wasen't corrupted and everything bad that happened must be Jiang Wei's fault now. After all, he's the son of Liu Bei and thus he must always be right and cannot be the reason that Shu fell!

Mark my words, this isn't going to be like who Liu Chan really was. This will be a twisted abomibation of Fictional Spincrafting to appease fans that want Shu to look strong/good/right even after Liu Bei died after being wrong.

They better at least make Liu Chan 'somewhat'(I prefer just the stupid part) stupid, incompetent, spoiled, corrupt, lazy, fat, and unattractive like he was in all works of art. If he suddenly sports a 6 pack and is a handsome rogue with crazy hair and a strong desire to keep Shu as his father desired than I will have lost a lot of respect in Koei for such a coop out. That incompetent fool doesn't deserve to have any justice done to him in any way, shape, or form.
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:19 pm
They added in Liu Chan? Great... They added in the most worthless character. I highly doubt that Koei's Liu Chan will be anything like the incompetent fool fom History/Novels/Other Forms of Literature. Instead Koei will make Liu Chan look like a skilled good guy who did everything in his power to save Shu and that his court apparantly wasen't corrupted and everything bad that happened must be Jiang Wei's fault now. After all, he's the son of Liu Bei and thus he must always be right and cannot be the reason that Shu fell! Mark my words, this isn't going to be like who Liu Chan really was. This will be a twisted abomibation of Fictional Spincrafting to appease fans that want Shu to look strong/good/right even after Liu Bei died after being wrong. They better at least make Liu Chan 'somewhat'(I prefer just the stupid part) stupid, incompetent, spoiled, corrupt, lazy, fat, and unattractive like he was in all works of art. If he suddenly sports a 6 pack and is a handsome rogue with crazy hair and a strong desire to keep Shu as his father desired than I will have lost a lot of respect in Koei for such a coop out. That incompetent fool doesn't deserve to have any justice done to him in any way, shape, or form.
Liu Chan was actually added? :crazy:

Actually, he'd be the 3rd less worth adding. Guan Suo and Bao Sanniang surpass him by a mile.

Anyway, I agree with you. I doubt KOEI will portray him as the lazy, foolish and incompetent ass he was. Knowing how much they love the kingdom of Shu.

Now, to destroy the game, simply add the daugther of Sun Ce + Sun Liang
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The addition of Liu Shan was somehow... inevitable.
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Hopefully these aren't the last adds. I can still find myself to forgive Koei if they reveal more late era character. You know... Like Wen Yang.
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I can understand that in ROTK, but in actual history, was that actually the case? ROTK and actual history tend to get me confused on matters there were real or not.
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Liu Shan added?

HELL YEAH! Best birthday present from Koei. :hehe:

Liu Shan > Wen Yang
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From what I know... Historically he wasen't a noteworthy man and even than he's widely viewed with distain and seen as the sole reason that Shu fell. Of course, Shu was doomed the moment Wu attacked and Liu Bei lost at Yi Ling but I digress...

So, have they sorted out the whole Bao Sanniang Business yet? Is she following Guan Suo, Guan Ping, Zhao Yun, Jiang Wei, or what? Who is she trying to fall in love with now?
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The addition of Guan Suo is also inevitable, somehow. :sly:
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With Liu Shan in... I believe that. Guan Suo will be added and most likely take on the merits of Guan Xing as well.
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Personally, I was at the beginning against the idea of adding Guan Suo. Well, okay, it's a fictional character, but if they make a good character, why not. I just hope that he will not have half naked like Bao. :mellow:
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The thing I have against Guan Suo is that he is gonna end up making Bao another waifu character, given that Bao already has a bad rep, his add would make her even less liked.
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well it would make sense in adding Liu Chan. I mean they added Cao Pi, Sun Ce/Sun Quan and might as well add Liu Chan to complete the father/son triangle. However, i agree 100% with what Sasuke said. They're probably going to fictionize Liu Chan's story and make him buff, crazy hair, and will make his personality strong and leader type who wants to "protect" or "save" the Shu kingdom <_< , thus slapping the fans in the face once again
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And regarding his personality, I just hope he isnt generic badass #988.

A Liu Shan who is insecure about himself and dependant on the others at first, then matures as the Shu story goes is what I would personally like about him.
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This is why I say within reason Koei should stay as historical as possible (with the understanding that at times they will take liberties for the sake of creating a story). But they lose a lot of credibility in the fan base if Liu Chan is portrayed as anything but a fool. I'll be really interested to see how they work the late Shu Kingdom Musou Mode.

Cheers to SuperDiosPlus for the reporting.
Edited by Lord Yuan Shu, Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:03 pm.
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Bao Sanniang is already set to be a follower wife even if Guan Suo isn't added. I guess Kowi decided that one more wouldn't hurt. >_>

I still don't like how Sun Jian and Sun Ce are counted as Wu. It cheapens the experience since it means we aren't going tro get a true heir to the Wu Throne anytime soon. It's just Sun Quan.... His kids and their gets get no reconition. Instead Sun Jian gets that glory.
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Actual history says Liu Chan is a sucker, just like in ROTK, Xalfrea. And, in history, he's even more negligent
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:33 pm
It`s Cao Cao...Posted Image
no it not that Zhang He
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last time I checked Cao Cao has gold armguards not
and Zhang He cloth has a design on it while Cao Cao does not so clearly that is Zhang He
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:33 pm
Liu Shan added?

HELL YEAH! Best birthday present from Koei. :hehe:

Liu Shan > Wen Yang
No the best bday present from koei would be a million pound check.
Liu chun will be an awesome add he'll have a rapier if this rumour of having a fur coat is true.
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:30 pm
I can understand that in ROTK, but in actual history, was that actually the case? ROTK and actual history tend to get me confused on matters there were real or not.
His historical records don't denote he was extremely incompetent like folklore and media suggest. He was an eccentric man, who unfortunately near the end of his reign loved to indulge. Perhaps he loved to do so because he always had the help of the great ministers Zhuge Liang, Jiang Wan, Fei Yi, Dong Yun. He was always assisted by regents, and got used to being helped around for all of his life.

But, his reign was for decades (41 years? can't remember from the top of my head), as I understand was mostly prosperous, and recently there was a discussion on this forum deducting how his surrender wasn't out of cowardice but more to protect the people.

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From what I know... Historically he wasen't a noteworthy man and even than he's widely viewed with distain and seen as the sole reason that Shu fell.
Where are you getting your information, sir? :huh: The sole reason why Shu fell? I think you're forgetting Jiang Wei, Huang Hao, Yan Yu, Zhong Hui, Deng Ai, Sima Zhao, Ma Miao, the administration of the Shu kingdom for allowing eunuchs to still be high-up in the hierarchy, and so on and so forth. loldude :hmmm:

I think you personally ignore any posts defending Liu Shan just so your prejudices remain intact.

But! I'm glad we're getting him and Dong Zhuo. :heart:
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I'm actually really excited about Zhang He! Hope he's revealed this next famitsu scans, but if they don't I'll just pretend they are leaving the best for last! And I don't think Dong Zhuo, Liu Chan, and Xiao Qiao are the only three to be revealed, so let's hope for Zhang He!!! :D And doesn't anybody think Sima Yi's wife (forgot her name) would be better than Lady Bu! Please, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:41 pm
And doesn't anybody think Sima Yi's wife (forgot her name) would be better than Lady Bu! Please, I'd like to hear your thoughts.
Zhang Chunhua will surely be added in Dynasty Warriors 8... or not.
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There is that argument that Jiang Wei's endeavors pretty much did suck the Shu resources dry, while the Shu people themselves just hated the war.

So...maybe Liu Chan was in the right? Let's face it people, war can be cool if it's dramatized that way, but whatever happened to "war is hell"? Do we just forget about that?
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Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:44 pm
There is that argument that Jiang Wei's endeavors pretty much did suck the Shu resources dry, while the Shu people themselves just hated the war. So...maybe Liu Chan was in the right? Let's face it people, war can be cool if it's dramatized that way, but whatever happened to "war is hell"? Do we just forget about that?
Yeah, Jiang Wei kept fighting against Jin until Shu collapsed! Now, because of his supposed courage and perseverance, they so him as a hero. And because Liu Chan/Shan (which one was it?) disliked the war and surrendered, he is seen as a coward or doesn't care about his kingdom! Very unfair!
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But I want half naked Guan Suo. I want an actual beefcake. Gang Ning is not enough.
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