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| kaiosuke37 | Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:24 am Post #76 |
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1. Lady Xiahou shouldn't have to need relationships with early era characters, considering her postion closely at Wei's downfall. Mother characters such as Lady Bian/Wu/Mi should stay non-playable. All of the kingdoms have already expanded to the point where it would be just plain akward adding them so late to the roster. 2. But reading all of these posts about Bian, just having false relationships within her faction doesn't really make her that complex. I could see Lady Xiahou having that *men are useless* persona, rather than *Hey everyone!* People like Bian could be played behind the scenes. I would definitely prefer more emporers as far as the clan focus goes. Wei definitely needs a playable ruler that's going to battle the Simas before considering Bian as the clan focus point. Even the Later empresses would be more preferable than to add a woman to a man who's persona is set. 3. Surely Xiahou can interact with a few characters, but I don't think there is a need for her to talk to everyone. As far as the revealing goes, I guess you could be right about that; it's just that I consider a woman's face to have a heavy impact on her attire/personality. |
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| Celestial | Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:39 am Post #77 |
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Love,hate, tragedy, and war.
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Empress Bian- Saved Cao Hong's life from Cao Pi by reminding him of what he had done for Wei. When Yuan Shu spreaded false rumors of Cao Cao's death. Lady Bian convinced his forces other wise. Also she is the mother of Cao Pi and Zhi. Had a good relationship with Zhen Ji as well. Empress Bian deserves to be in. Kaiosuke what is exactly your problem with having an older woman in the game. If its the whole MILF thing. Zhen Ji and Yue Ying are already there as well. |
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| Bamboo | Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:01 am Post #78 |
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Not saying that she needs to have relationships with early people, but just relationships overall. Y'know, someone to talk to, to further flesh her out. Which! She doesn't have, with except a potential one with maybe Sima Yi. Fair point with the last comment, but I wouldn't call it 'plain awkward'. I'd rather have Lady Bian over Cai Yan, so there's a replacement. Depends on how KOEI does it to make it so. A feminist persona doesn't sound appealing (at all, I've even had enough with the "Who says women can't be like men" schtick too ), and I'm sure Bian wouldn't be the cheerful happy woman, more the reserved-but-resolute caretaker of the Wei forces, as I've mentioned in another topic a substitute Cao Cao for when he's absent, the clan head.I'm not proposing nor see Bian as a support character, more an individual being. DW has too many couples already, and I don't want another honeyed marraige, yes we should have an poetic Cao Cao but not with his love life. They don't need to touch on the husband-wife thing too much with them, it just could add more dimension to each one, Bian is already solid as a persona.
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| kaiosuke37 | Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:06 am Post #79 |
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hmmm.... here's this *relationship* thing again. In all honesty, I would prefer the ROTK women not to be added from the early era; sure they would have been great back then, but there's no need for a woman before Zhen Ji. As I said before, she would be more useful as a UNPC, rather than teaching an old dog new tricks. **I was referring to that phrase, and not calling Bian old just in case someone implies that. I really don't think she DESERVES to be in persay. And Yue Ying and Zhen are not MILFs, lol. |
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| kaiosuke37 | Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:17 am Post #80 |
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| Celestial | Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:22 am Post #81 |
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Its not just relationships when it comes to Lady Bian. She had power and she knew how to use it. By the way Cai Wenji is before Zhen. Should she be there? I don't understand what you are trying to prove by saying teaching an old dog new tricks, care to explain? Ummmm yes Zhen Ji and Yue Ying are MILFs but thats for another time.
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| kaiosuke37 | Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:40 am Post #82 |
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It's really quite simple actually, considering Cai Wenji already being added to the series in SF2. What can I possibly do about a character that's already added to the roster? Absolutely nothing. What I meant by that phrase was the simple fact that Koei has already expanded away from WZPs and probably going to continue to go further, what is the use of another early era female like Cai Wenji? There's enough early rulers to control the battlefield without Bian. I just don't see Bian as a complete necessity. I would like for you to give me your definition of Milf; as far as I'm concerned MILFs don't belong on the battlefield. The characteristics of Zhen and Ying just don't strike me as Milfs. **EDIT** To add to that, I just find a character like Xiahou bringing something totally new, instead of the typical family type relationships. Edited by kaiosuke37, Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:47 am.
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| Celestial | Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:30 am Post #83 |
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Just nevermind. Your opinion so I'll leave it alone. |
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| kaiosuke37 | Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:38 am Post #84 |
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My apologies. I didn't mean to sound confrontational if it came out that way. I'm fine with Bian, but I was confused to see why so many want her than the other Later ladies.MILFs are roughly in their mid-thirties or older, which I don't see any of the females at. I just don't think their meant for fighting XD, it's beyond wrong. hahaha |
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| Deleted User | Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:46 pm Post #85 |
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It is obvious that if Lady Bian is added, they will not make a woman very old and wrinkled. Fan Service: The character must be beautiful. Then they can make Lady Bian an elderly woman with a mature voice, but still beautiful and refined. |
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| WarHawk | Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:59 pm Post #86 |
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Lady Bian... I`d prefer Guo Nuwang instead of her, even if she is only second Cao Pi`s wife. Then Cao Hong`s addition will be quite useful.
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| Deleted User | Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:15 pm Post #87 |
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Zhen Ji is already a real b*tch in her personality, if Guo Nuwang is added, it will be even worse.
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| TrueChaos | Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:02 pm Post #88 |
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Good Wei should have characters like that, but i think if Guo Nuwang is added it might help show a more likeable personality in Zhen Ji |
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| kaiosuke37 | Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:55 pm Post #89 |
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I doubt Guo will be ever added considering Koei not taking Zhen Ji's historical counterpart. It wouldn't be as interesting not having Zhen die like she supposed to. I doubt Koei could actually make the Love Triangle somewhat interesting. I mean we do know that there won't be this many females added at once again, right? I want Sima's wife instead. |
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| Bamboo | Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:32 am Post #90 |
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Would rather have Bian than Cai Yan. Disagree with the last part, the Cao-Xiahou clan was obviously the foremost family in Wei, and it should be presented as such. She wouldn't even have a Cao in her name (most likely), it'd be like Zhen Ji, a relative but not a Cao. On the other hand, for the pre-234 Wei, there is only room for one more male clansman. (And as we all know it should be Cao Xiu )It's not so interesting for me, I see myself getting tired easily of her sour attitude. You're welcome for the last thing in your post, though it wasn't intended. Also doubt Guo will be added, at least in the way most people want her to be. Not sure if I said it in this topic, but they're still stuck in their "one man can only have one wife" way of thinking. |
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| Cereal Killer | Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:24 am Post #91 |
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Personally I think Guo Jia would be an incredibly good add. Before he dies of sickness, he could serve as Wei's chief strategist and even provide a mentor for Sima Yi in a sense. Cao Zhang to me is a must add, for being Cao Pi's brother, Cao Cao's son, and an incredibly strong warrior. |
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| uzkuxiyamede | Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:16 am Post #92 |
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definately guo jia! I know he's overrated but the thing is 1. wei need to increase their stratagist cast, Wu has 2(zhou yu, lu xun), shu has 2(zhuge liang, pang tong0, even Jin has 2 not including sima family(Guo huai, Zhong hui), and wei only has one not including those crossovers from Jin(jia Xu), so in order to balance out number, lets add him, i mean who else is better to add? 2.there's room for fantasizing for him, maybe have him teach sima yi while sima yi is supposed to be Aspiring, maybe he could be the rival of zhuge liang in Chi Bi, maybe when sima yi attacks wei back guo jia will became a huge obstacle make player have to work in Jin campaign.also, guan du and earlier battles has too much generics. 3. he is just too popular, i mean, not so story worthy character such as guan ping(only battle he is important in is fan castle), pang tong(dies at chengdu), pang de(only xi liang and fan castle) and Zhang Jiao(only yellow turban) is playable, so why shouldn't guo jia? though other people...i mean....either both yu jin and Yue jin come together to complete the wei five tiger or cao zhang and cao zhi to make caocao one happy dad. Edited by uzkuxiyamede, Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:22 am.
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| Dongzhou | Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:24 pm Post #93 |
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He is only known as such because he challenged the status quo and lost, had he been more conventional and not employed some of the leading Libertines, he may have been better portrayed. Honestly, I would be uncomfortable with it.
No. No it wouldn't have been.
If Sun Quan wasn't a man who put his ego ahead of the common good, Wu would have surrendered to Wei and everyone be happy. Warlords are ambitious and deceitful, you can list 99% of the warlords of that era and it would describe them.
We have an mature woman?
People don't particularly remember Cao Cao as the bisexual man who showed such affection for Ding and Bian. So why would koei showing the great poet as more then a warlord make him less ruthless?
So? Nothing wrong with having a bit of family if you have a strong character like the songstress Bian.
The disfigured thing is intresting and I wouldn't mind a woman who hide their looks but I would say Bian was the far stronger character.
I don't see how. I don't see anyone concerned about seeing Jia Xu and Cai Yan coming into it and there are plenty of early adds that people want. Adding children to current characters has hardly harmed them either. Why early woman rather then later woman? If there was a Jin thread, you might see lots of votes for latter woman but since Wei itself seems to be concentrating pre Wu Zhang, that's where people's adds are concentrating. Look at the lack of Cao Rui's or Chen Tai's.
It would be a nice contrast. Edited by Dongzhou, Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:34 pm.
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| Xu Yuan | Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:43 am Post #94 |
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I have so many characters that I would want for Wei. But three is the only possibility in this game and with Jia Xu and Cai Yan (wonderful adds by the way) I still have a few dream characters... Cao Zhi - I have given my thoughts on this highly complex and tragic would-be heir here. To summarize... Cao Zhi was on the battlefield with Cao Cao in most battles from Guan Du to the Han Zhong Defense, so the traditional "was never on the battlefield" falls short. His brother becomes all the more complicated with the multi-layered relationship the two had and the Zhen Ji affair rumor which has lasted now for 18 centuries adds a ton of potential and if done right can make both Zhen Ji and Cao Zhi's downfall all the more potent. He was his father's favorite until his arrogance lead to his downfall in the heir tests. Now to take from my other post, the reasons I think that he should be included. 1. Acts as an Anti-Sun family. Where Sun Ce put all of his hopes into Quan, Pi did the exact opposite and reviled his younger brother. 2. Was apparently in most of Cao Cao's battles after Guan Du. That alone makes him worthy. 3. A love triangle which could be used to great effect if Koei knows what they're doing. It may also lead to the reason for Zhen Ji's suicide. 4. Fleshes out Cao Pi, showing more of his historic persona and gives him another person to talk to instead of just Sima Yi and Zhen Ji. 5. Foresaw the End of Wei long before the Sima's had gained much power. That is another reason he should be include Yu Jin - Long, long ago I wrote an indepth character analysis for Yu Jin and adapting his character to DW. (Dynasty Warriors 5 style, admittedly) He has so many unique events, a unique attitude and a tragic downfall. He would work so well and if Koei tries to redeem him as they have done with Liu Chan it is possible Yu Jin can truly be a grand add. Others in this thread have already pointed out why Yu Jin's addition is next to necessary. His standing as one of the Wei Five not withstanding. Xin Xianying - I absolutely love this woman. She has incredible potential as a character reader (a playable Xu Shao, sort of). In the novel she advises her brother against joining Sima Yi while he served Cao Shuang so that his reputation wouldn't be tarnished when Cao Shuang fell. She advised her father (the ilustrious Xin Pi) that Sima Yi's temper due to being provoked by Zhuge Liang could cause great damage to Wei in which Xin Pi acted immediately on his daughter's advice and Cao Rui sent the famous missive which stopped Sima Yi from attacking. Finally she advised her nephew Yang Hu against Zhong Hui. Yang Hu passed this info. onto Sima Zhao and promoted his family heavily. I expect her role to be able to effectively see beyond the facades of the varied characters she meets, (calling Zhuge Liang a glory seeker, Jiang Wei an impatient and unruly child, Zhong Hui an arrogant braggart whose overconfidence will lead to his end, Zhuge Dan a dog that cannot see that his master has already shifted, etc.) though likely because of her lifespan mostly after Wu Zhang she would fall into Jin. I think as a character analyzer she can be a very effective add. |
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| WarHawk | Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:21 am Post #95 |
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Li Dian gave his second position to Guo Jia. It`s kinda predictable course. So most popular now: 1. Yu Jin 2. Guo Jia 3. Li Dian 4. Cao Hong 5. Yue Jin But it doesn`t mean that Nuwang, Cao Zhi, Cao Zhang or Man Chong, Xun Yu, Cheng Yu will be bad addition. Not so popular, but ofcourse they are also awesome. Wei have excellent choice of characters indeed. |
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| WhiteHorseRide | Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:25 am Post #96 |
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^Aye, that's because Wei is the best. Shu and Wu, honestly they are close to scraping the barrel at this point for new adds. |
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| WarHawk | Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:48 am Post #97 |
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for me Wu is the best if we are discussing their choices of characters. I want Cheng Pu, Han Dang, Jiang Qin, Xu Sheng, Pan Zhang, Zhu Ran, and Lu Su, and Zhuge Jin. They`re all awesome. Wei - Li Dian, Yu Jin, Cao Hong... others don`t care mouch. Although Guo Jia, Man Chong and Cao Zhang are pretty cool additions. In total, Wu have less list of officers and strategists than Wei, but almost each one I like. There is a drawn game. Wu and Wei are both Kingdom with big variety of good possible additions in comparison with Shu and Jin.
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| Cao Hong 14 | Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:46 pm Post #98 |
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to be honest I don't really get what people see in guo jia. Sure he was close to cao cao but he wasn't around long enough. wei already has xiahou dun, xiahou yuan, cao ren, cao cao, dian wei, xu zhu, and xu huang by 197. thats more than enough characters to flesh out wei's beginning. plus cao cao already has jia xu and sima yi as strategists so I don't see why a third is needed especially when he doesn't do as much or live as long as the other two. but its whatever. if people want guo jia then I won't stop them. plus if a third strategist was added(which is unlikely) my hope would be that its cheng yu(RoTK's kabei kuroda). he frickin' kidnapped people from his home village, chopped them up, and fed them to the wei army. that to me is so much more interesting than what guo jia has to offer. |
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| Xiuzhao | Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:29 pm Post #99 |
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Oh yeah, just what Dynasty Warriors needs; cannibalism! |
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| Zephyria | Tue Feb 1, 2011 1:39 am Post #100 |
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cannibalism....no.... What Guo Jia provided is actually HOPE. In all Wei's strategist of his active era(from 196-207), namely Xun Yu, Cheng Yu, Jia Xu and Xun You who is Xun Yu's cousin and is not mentioned so much, he is the youngest and nearly more than 10 years' younger than them. Further more, he is not resourceful but also knows Cao Cao very, very well, and Cao Cao mentioned twice in history records to let Guo Jia assist his son after his own death. However, if Guo Jia were not dead so early, he might take the position of Sima Yi but he would not betray Wei and there would not be Jin. Guo Jia meas hope to Cao Cao because of his youthfulness and resourcefulness and loyalty and the mind to inherit his idea. But now, when people mention Guo Jia, they always begin with "if...", just like Cao Cao did in Chi Bi. It is not hope anymore, but rather sadly immersing oneself in the past. Hmm... maybe this is the reason why KOEI does not want to add him to the story plot because everyone's hope just sinks after his death and in such a era of Three Kingdoms, they have nothing to do but to make way for other rising stars. |
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Lady Xiahou cuts off her ears and nose. Just because her face will be covered doesn't automatically guarantee she won't have revealing clothing, if that's what you meant in the bolded part of the quote.


), and I'm sure Bian wouldn't be the cheerful happy woman, more the reserved-but-resolute caretaker of the Wei forces, as I've mentioned in another topic a substitute Cao Cao for when he's absent, the clan head.
hmmm.... here's this *relationship* thing again. In all honesty, I would prefer the ROTK women not to be added from the early era; sure they would have been great back then, but there's no need for a woman before Zhen Ji. As I said before, she would be more useful as a UNPC, rather than teaching an old dog new tricks. **I was referring to that phrase, and not calling Bian old just in case someone implies that. 


Warlords are ambitious and deceitful, you can list 99% of the warlords of that era and it would describe them.
for me Wu is the best if we are discussing their choices of characters. I want 

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