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I want to ask you something
Zhao Yun 3 (4.9%)
Liu Bei 4 (6.6%)
Cao Cao 17 (27.9%)
Sun Quan 9 (14.8%)
Sun Jian 1 (1.6%)
Lu Bu 1 (1.6%)
Zhuge Liang 19 (31.1%)
Dong Zhuo 3 (4.9%)
others 4 (6.6%)
Total Votes: 61
I want to ask you something; first read
Topic Started: Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:30 pm (748 Views)
PowerfulGuanPing
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I want to know from you who has got the biggest historical part of all dynasty warriors

(p.s.when you can give an explanation)
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Moogle
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but first...
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Zhao Yun? what an odd choice x3
I voted Sun Quan, simply because of the battle of Chi Bi really, it was a really pivotal moment that changed it all! ^^

but Liu Bei and Cao cao too...
and Sun Jian, he made a lot of great babies LMAO
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Shadowclaimer
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Zhang Jiao

His rebellion showed the flaws in the government of the Han and although wasn't particularly successful he pushed the domino that started the chain.
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"Biggest historical part"? Not quite sure what you mean, but I'd say either Cao Cao or Zhuge Liang. Both are widely recognised (by those in the know) as two of the most influential figures in the history of China.

Guan Yu could very easily be up there too, considering his status in the far east.

No one else (in the DW cast) really comes close.
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Shadowclaimer
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But if we're going with what Xiu said I'd definitely say Zhuge Liang and Guan Yu, I mean hell Guan Yu is revered as a god to some people.
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Its Zhuge Liang or Guan Yu in terms of historical memory. Cao Cao, Liu Bei and Sun Quan probably come in somewhere next.

And this was a very pointless poll topic, if not just an overall pointless topic.
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I do believe that this thread is somewhat useless, but nonetheless I voted for Zhuge Liang. I guess Cao Cao did have a large part in history, as you said, but I just felt this strategist did a lot to help Shu and Liu Bei. Without him, Liu Bei would've been killed by Cao Cao since the beginning. Plus, I didn't know I could've voted for two more so...
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Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:40 pm
Zhang Jiao

His rebellion showed the flaws in the government of the Han and although wasn't particularly successful he pushed the domino that started the chain.
This ^^ Without the rebellion i doubt the war would of been as chaotic as it was...
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Went with Dong, Cao Cao, Sun Quan. If it means culturally important, Liu Bei, Zhuge Liang and Cao Cao.

Zhao Yun: Saving Liu Shan and thus providing Shu with the stability Shan gave it would prove crucial but aside from that, he wasn't important as such. A valuable member of Shu though and, since hard to find him doing anything wrong in any source, a good clean cut poster boy.

Liu Bei: Here comes the issue of culture vs during the actual time period importance. During it, Liu Bei spent most of his time as a mercenary, an unreliable but skilled commander who jumped from lord to lord before finally creating the minor kingdom of Shu. It was an incredible achievement, being a sandal maker who pretty much single-handedly founded a kingdom, Liu Bei was a brilliant man but in most cases, he would have been remembered as a skilled but relatively minor warlord. Culture has changed the role of Shu and of Wu, pushing Liu Bei to the forefront as the great Han loyalist and people carer.

Cao Cao: Conquered most of China, allowed literary circles to flourish, ended the famines of the north and set up a stable administration. A genius of war and a poet, a harsh man yet a great lover. While the great warlord, arguably the greatest man of the 3kingdoms, work ended up laying the base for Jin, his work was still of great importance. In ROTK, makes the anti-hero or villain of the piece.

Sun Quan: A very strong candidate for two very simple reasons:

1) He doesn't stand at Chi Bi, Cao Cao probably wins. He carefully played the odds and came up trumps, from that moment on Wei never came as close again to uniting the land. From that moment, Liu Bei had space to found his kingdom and Sun Quan went from provincial warlord to a major player.

2) Wu was the south of the Han lands, a place of exile and disgrace, of tribes and no importance. Sun Quan and his officers reforms changed it into a prosperous land that could be defended against the north, Jin and others would use Sun Quan's work to fight on. Without Quan's work, latter China would have been very different.

His long decline also devastated Wu in a way it never recovered from so I suppose that should be added. A colourful character, a brave warrior and great leader who will hopefully one day be recognised for it and not sidelined as he is in the novel.

Sun Jian: A highly skilled general, see his brilliant camapign against Dong, but nothing more. We can wonder what might have happened to Yuan Shu if Jian had survived but Wu's greatnesses was his sons own drive.

Lu Bu: Being the greatest warrior of his time gives him an importance but his two assassinations had limited impact and as a warlord, he was a relatively minor one. Underatted as a general.

Zhuge Liang: Again, culture vs history. An erratic adviser of Liu Bei who came into his own after Liu Bei's death. Made some dreadful errors at first but became a collasol figure within Shu though not within wider China at the time. Clearly, like Liu Bei, a figure of great cultural importance though as a genius who is credited with a lot of things (not all of them true).

Dong Zhou: The Han was in a bad way but still alive when He Jin was murdered but the day Dong marched in and became the power at court by force of arms, the Han died. It didn't matter what kind of man Dong had been or was going to be, saint or tyrant, the fact that strength of arms could control the Emperor ended the Han's life. Every ambitious man took up arms, nominally against Dong but really, in most cases, to seize power.

Zhang Jiao: Would say his rebellion makes a good starting point for the tale rather then the revolt being of great importance. The revolt was crushed within a year, the Han recovered well enough, it was just another setback of many many setbacks the Han had suffered and would suffer. The problems of the Qiang that year were far more important but the Turbans have a symbolism of their own.
Edited by Dongzhou, Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:43 pm.
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Depends what you mean by the biggest historical part. In terms of legacy, the most obvious choice is Zhuge Liang. Cao Cao, Zhao Yun, Guan Yu, and Liu Bei are also pretty big ones.

If by historical part though you mean accomplishments/things done in that time period, then from this list it is without question Cao Cao. The man setup the empire of Wei, and took the power of the nation, he had impressive military victories across the board, and his strategic skills historically probably rivaled/were better than Zhuge Liang's. Second and third would go to Sun Quan and probably Zhuge Liang, for keeping the kingdom of shu afloat and giving it the power it could obtain.
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I voted Cao Cao, but my other choice would have been Zhuge Liang.
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On the novel base
Cao Cao and Zhuge Liang are the most talked about
Since Zhuge Liang is so clever, he can call wind, rain etc. (lol)

and Cao Cao is so evil, he kills his uncle. etc
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