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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v5] (SPOILERS); SPOILERS BEWARE! GAMEPLAY VIDEOS/INFO INSIDE!
Topic Started: Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:01 pm (735,600 Views)
SazukeEX
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Behold Sun Shi! The Fiery Tiger Cub of Sun Ce, Lu Xun's Tigress, and the Mother Tiger of Lu Kang!
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Logic does dictate it when we have clear proof that Koei tossed around the idea for characters like Guo Jia and Cheng Pu in their DW games during the DW5 times. Yet for some reason we ended up with Lian Shi who isn't even an Early Era character like Koei said they were concentrateing on.
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WhiteHorseRide
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:22 am
WhiteHorseRide
Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:10 am
rvanmaster
Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:55 am
Well in history most people don't realize the fact that most of the style of martial arts were made by women.
Huh?

Martial Arts is just a term meaning 'ways of war' roughly. It is a term derived from sometime way back in Europe.

Men are the one who fight, since, pretty much the beginning of our fossil history, we have been the warriors. So it's pretty much impossible for this claim to be true that women created most of the 'ways of war' when we were the ones that did the vast majority of the fighting.

It's possible that women created some 'named' styles, but to say that women created the vast majority of 'ways of war' is impossible. As any warrior who has ever trained diligently is a martial artist, even if they had no particular 'name' for their style. E.G. A knight, which might have had no known 'name' for whatever style of fighting they historically used, would still be a martial artist.
sorry i can't ignore this and i know this off topic but...um this isn't about a 'ways of war' and i think your goin' towards 'the art of war' by Sun Tzu...but revanmaster here is talking about art of practice in fighting style not war and they have similarities with european they have tey own custom of fighting.

but think what you want its your point of veiw

(note: not trying to make enemies my apology to other users especially the admin. and mods.)
No, I don't mean Sun Tzu's book, I just mean what martial arts literally means from the origin of the word.

And no need to apologize, we are just discussing like civilized people.
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Wu Fei
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The only way to appeal to everyone is to put in actual people (only real requirement I have for female characters) and important male characters and then build the drama and the cool designs that casuals would like over them.


I couldn't agree with you any better on that one. There some characters that Koei could have used to replace another character and have them added with the same role, personality wise/appearance/whatever.

Honestly, when Lady Bu (Lian Shi) was added, I was thinking Koei was just going to make up all kinds of weird stuff lol. Then again I'm not really complaining much about it, since my opinions don't really matter compared to all the other hardcore pop-culture fans out there who like DW according to its current trend. =P. I just enjoy the game whenever they make it. ;)
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ChibiGingi
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Booyaka, Booyaka
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BuddHA0991
Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:55 am
*goes into topic, reads recent posts, throws hands into the air*

WHELP.


*leaves kw for today*
Yeah, pretty much this. Or at least go lurk in other sections of the forum.

The Wu PV can't come quick enough. I'm not really going to bother posting anything remotely hopeful as to which character gets seen and who doesn't. I just want me some Wu action, tis all.
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WhiteHorseRide
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daww.

im actually enjoying this lively discussion.

no flames anywhere that i can see. :p
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WarHawk
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So we have only two pair of women with similar weapon - Qiao`s and Wang Yuanji - Zhu Rong... so Koei may make them even more unique in dlc by giving second fan Da (or bring back her MR2 battons) and giving Zhu Rong her boomerang. Then all girls will be completely unique...

Oh well I forget about Yue Ying... scyth is also should back. If will be added one more female in future she also may wield erhu.
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WhiteHorseRide
Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:30 am
daww.

im actually enjoying this lively discussion.

no flames anywhere that i can see. :p
well, for now..... :rolleyes: I would like to state some of my 'opinions' for earlier's topic but I'll just back off for now

guess the PV will be up when I get up tomorrow. Pretty eager to see the movesets. One question though is with Lu Xun's. With Cao Pi's swords, we obviously see ice when he attacks, will the same apply for Lu Xun but with fire instead?

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ChibiGingi
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WarHawk
Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:34 am
So we have only two pair of women with similar weapon - Qiao`s and Wang Yuanji - Zhu Rong... so Koei may make them even more unique in dlc by giving second fan Da (or bring back her MR2 battons) and giving Zhu Rong her boomerang. Then all girls will be completely unique...

Oh well I forget about Yue Ying... scyth is also should back. If will be added one more female in future she also may wield erhu.
I would like to have Yue Ying's scythe AND bladebow back... though then I'll be wondering who to give the scythe to. If they bring back the bladebow, it's totally going on Yue Ying (and I wouldn't consider it the same as a cross bow, as Lian Shi has).

Maybe I'll give it to Jiang Wei and finally make the little snooty-booty interesting.
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Paragon of Light
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I would the problem with these heated discussions in how similar it is to a revoultion. First there's the morderate phrase looking for compromise which never happens and then then the radical where fingers are pointed.

Damn Time and how slow it is for the pv to show up.
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rvanmaster
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yeah well I've researched the styles evolutions. I meant based martial arts in today's standard which is used as the meaning of self defense not meant for war ideal. I should also added Chinese as what styles we're talking about,but inferred we all think about DW7 era, and area.
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ChibiGingi
Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:37 am
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:34 am
So we have only two pair of women with similar weapon - Qiao`s and Wang Yuanji - Zhu Rong... so Koei may make them even more unique in dlc by giving second fan Da (or bring back her MR2 battons) and giving Zhu Rong her boomerang. Then all girls will be completely unique...

Oh well I forget about Yue Ying... scyth is also should back. If will be added one more female in future she also may wield erhu.
I would like to have Yue Ying's scythe AND bladebow back... though then I'll be wondering who to give the scythe to. If they bring back the bladebow, it's totally going on Yue Ying (and I wouldn't consider it the same as a cross bow, as Lian Shi has).

Maybe I'll give it to Jiang Wei and finally make the little snooty-booty interesting.
Yue Ying's bow in DW6 hinted at her getting a bow like weapon later, which was the blade bow. Maybe the staff is a hint that the scythe will be back. ^_^ Wishful thinking yes but one can hope.
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5 HOURS?! Damn, that sounds good! I can come home and watch it right away!
.... Or I can wake up early to see if it's up :D
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WarHawk
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ChibiGingi
Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:37 am
WarHawk
Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:34 am
So we have only two pair of women with similar weapon - Qiao`s and Wang Yuanji - Zhu Rong... so Koei may make them even more unique in dlc by giving second fan Da (or bring back her MR2 battons) and giving Zhu Rong her boomerang. Then all girls will be completely unique...

Oh well I forget about Yue Ying... scyth is also should back. If will be added one more female in future she also may wield erhu.
I would like to have Yue Ying's scythe AND bladebow back... though then I'll be wondering who to give the scythe to. If they bring back the bladebow, it's totally going on Yue Ying (and I wouldn't consider it the same as a cross bow, as Lian Shi has).

Maybe I'll give it to Jiang Wei and finally make the little snooty-booty interesting.
It`s also possible variant, give Yue Ying bladebow and Scyth some male character. But not Jiang Wei, he may still keeps trident with unique movesets or his MR2 double-sided spear. Scyth is good weapon choice for someone completely new. Maybe Wen Yang?
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ChibiGingi
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:41 am
ChibiGingi
Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:37 am
WarHawk
Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:34 am
So we have only two pair of women with similar weapon - Qiao`s and Wang Yuanji - Zhu Rong... so Koei may make them even more unique in dlc by giving second fan Da (or bring back her MR2 battons) and giving Zhu Rong her boomerang. Then all girls will be completely unique...

Oh well I forget about Yue Ying... scyth is also should back. If will be added one more female in future she also may wield erhu.
I would like to have Yue Ying's scythe AND bladebow back... though then I'll be wondering who to give the scythe to. If they bring back the bladebow, it's totally going on Yue Ying (and I wouldn't consider it the same as a cross bow, as Lian Shi has).

Maybe I'll give it to Jiang Wei and finally make the little snooty-booty interesting.
Yue Ying's bow in DW6 hinted at her getting a bow like weapon later, which was the blade bow. Maybe the staff is a hint that the scythe will be back. ^_^ Wishful thinking yes but one can hope.
That's actually a very good point... interesting!

I'll be okay with either one returning. Both returning would be utterly fantastic, but I'm game for one or the other too. Both were interesting weapons in their own right.

Edit: @WarHawk- That is also a good idea, if Wen Yang gets added. Though I'd hope the moveset would be a little more... manly... but he's so badass historically that he could make even the flute or ehru look manly.
Edited by ChibiGingi, Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:45 am.
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Minamoto_Ryu
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:10 am
rvanmaster
Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:55 am
Well in history most people don't realize the fact that most of the style of martial arts were made by women.
Huh?

Martial Arts is just a term meaning 'ways of war' roughly. It is a term derived from sometime way back in Europe.

Men are the one who fight, since, pretty much the beginning of our fossil history, we have been the warriors. So it's pretty much impossible for this claim to be true that women created most of the 'ways of war' when we were the ones that did the vast majority of the fighting.

It's possible that women created some 'named' styles, but to say that women created the vast majority of 'ways of war' is impossible. As any warrior who has ever trained diligently is a martial artist, even if they had no particular 'name' for their style. E.G. A knight, which might have had no known 'name' for whatever style of fighting they historically used, would still be a martial artist.
WhiteHorseRide: Martial comes from latin meaning belonging to Mars the roman god of war if memory serves correctly.

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Darksh1n
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:44 am
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:10 am
rvanmaster
Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:55 am
Well in history most people don't realize the fact that most of the style of martial arts were made by women.
Huh?

Martial Arts is just a term meaning 'ways of war' roughly. It is a term derived from sometime way back in Europe.

Men are the one who fight, since, pretty much the beginning of our fossil history, we have been the warriors. So it's pretty much impossible for this claim to be true that women created most of the 'ways of war' when we were the ones that did the vast majority of the fighting.

It's possible that women created some 'named' styles, but to say that women created the vast majority of 'ways of war' is impossible. As any warrior who has ever trained diligently is a martial artist, even if they had no particular 'name' for their style. E.G. A knight, which might have had no known 'name' for whatever style of fighting they historically used, would still be a martial artist.
WhiteHorseRide: Martial comes from latin meaning belonging to Mars the roman god of war if memory serves correctly.

...........can someone who is a martial artist himself....calling WUSHU students
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_arts
Edited by Darksh1n, Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:58 am.
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rvanmaster
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but anyways we have been getting off topic while others are trying to get it back, and stop worrying about new characters that in your opinion don't belong over others.

They might have special plans so if we're patient, then we might get a special surprise for the wait.
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I hope this "I don't want big breasted women in my Warriors games" phase is just that...............a phase.
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YueIna
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I really do love that we can give weapons we like to the characters we love

No character is limited except during,musuo.
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Same, I respect Taishi Ci but I could never play well as him due to his twin rod moveset being so bad for crowds...now that's not a problem.
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Sima Yi apologize or I will starve to death our sons and myself for this!!
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JHouser
Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:57 am
I hope this "I don't want big breasted women in my Warriors games" phase is just that...............a phase.
I just hope they don't bounce. It would be really anoying playing with Lian Shi and her "friends" bouncing all over the place XD
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Oh they're gonna bounce.

They are definitely gonna bounce.

It's basically confirmed lol.
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Gah I go to my cousin's to play some MVC3 for a couple hours and all hell breaks loose.

My math isn't wrong, there are 35 weapons, you can't use the same weapon twice, but you can use any of 34 others. (Err actually my math would be wrong since it will count Spear and Sword as well as Sword and Spear, basically just half that)

So something like 35 x 34 / 2, 595 combos.

And the joining a faction in Conquest I'm beginning to think is a misunderstanding, I cannot for the life of me find any official source that has said borderline anything about it, since Conquest is not character dependent you can't really join a faction, this isn't Empire mode, its an overcomplicated Free Mode select screen.

Maybe it means befriending a faction or faction lead to unlock more missions/characters. Because as far as I know you can say, befriend Sun Jian and get a mission as well as him to play in Conquest Mode if you do.
Edited by Shadowclaimer, Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:12 am.
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ChibiGingi
Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:27 am
BuddHA0991
Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:55 am
*goes into topic, reads recent posts, throws hands into the air*

WHELP.


*leaves kw for today*
Yeah, pretty much this. Or at least go lurk in other sections of the forum.

The Wu PV can't come quick enough. I'm not really going to bother posting anything remotely hopeful as to which character gets seen and who doesn't. I just want me some Wu action, tis all.
Off-Topic:

Your avatar is the greatest thing since everything.

Back On-Topic: I won't bother trying to figure out if KOEI has anymore "extra" characters. If they do, great. If not, no big loss.

And where's my Wu PV? I wanna see Papa Jian, already! (Rhetorical Question. :) )
Edited by AzaiNagamasa, Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:14 am.
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So say Xiahou Dun, won't be able to equip sima zhao's dao along with his own?
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