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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v5] (SPOILERS); SPOILERS BEWARE! GAMEPLAY VIDEOS/INFO INSIDE!
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lol I'm one of those people who never fancied all the Zhao Yun attention, but now after seeing the substitute.. I want Zhao Yun back as the poster boy lol.

Anyways, I hate Bao. But the cinematics are actually impressive, also loving the new animals in the game. Been wanting for Wolves since forever, since they were in the novel after all.

The new early Wu battles are ace, too bad that means less focus for their end :\
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Red Blossom
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Shadowclaimer
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:32 pm
The same people who say..

"They shouldn't add more cliche'd badass warrior types to a game called Dynasty Warriors."

Are the ones who are saying..

"Bao Sanniang is a unique character and not cliche' because she's a neko female in anime style and anyone who hates her is wrong."

That's my problem right there.
People aren't saying it's wrong to hate her (at least I'm not anyway) but some of the comments are getting a bit over the top now.

Personally I don't mind who they add as long there is variety, so everyone is happy. That's just me though ...
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Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:29 pm
@Keneticam at least someone agrees. Most people just seem to be jumping on the I hate Bao bandwagon, that got old months ago.

I mean I don't like some characters, but I don't sit and moan about it constantly :p.
Thats what im saying. Amen!!. People seriously just need to get over inclusion and just move on. But it seems people are insisting on making up reasons to despise her. We've been over the "I hate Bao" thing months ago, I don't know why someone brought it back up again, but its annoying regardless. I don't mind when people express their opinions, but when its continually brought up, its gets very tiresome.
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Red Blossom
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:37 pm
Shadowclaimer
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:32 pm
The same people who say..

"They shouldn't add more cliche'd badass warrior types to a game called Dynasty Warriors."

Are the ones who are saying..

"Bao Sanniang is a unique character and not cliche' because she's a neko female in anime style and anyone who hates her is wrong."

That's my problem right there.
People aren't saying it's wrong to hate her (at least I'm not anyway) but some of the comments are getting a bit over the top now.

Personally I don't mind who they add as long there is variety, so everyone is happy. That's just me though ...
There are some people who take any insult to her wayyyy too serious.
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Solf Aetheral
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I actually like Xing Cai, and at least 50% of the women cast. I do think the other 50% are terrible adds.
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Thanks for that coolfish. That brings our total battle count to about 45 or somehwere around that number.

Well I should of known, late wu getting screentime has been shoved off. That or that switch it around and SHu falls last which is the most likely choice. Again overreacting but still, just one battle with late era wu after shu would of done.
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UpInMahBubble
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Bao Sanniang might be added for male fanservice. But a lot of the male character designs just scream female fanservice (Guan Suo, Sima Zhao, Lu Xun, Gan Ning etc)

KOEI do it on purpose, if characters catch someone's eye, they'll buy the game.

Although I don't have a problem with generic warriors too, but some of them just have boring personalities. Which is why I prefer Bao.

>_>
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Shadowclaimer
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:33 pm
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Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:32 pm
Shadowclaimer
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:24 pm
*facepalm*<br /><br />She's:<br />Fictional<br />Lacking Accomplishments<br />Lacking battle history<br />Lacking character (she's a generic cutesy wootsy, which is ironic considering people ***** about generic warrior types are loving her)<br /><br />We could bypass all of this, we haters of her could ignore it entirely, if fans weren't trying to pretend she was anything more than that. She is a GENERIC CUTE CHARACTER put into the game to appease female fans, and it works apparently because you're all willing to defend her to freaking DEATH as soon as anyone says a bit of crap about not liking her you get all "omg how can you not like her she's so kawaiii".<br /><br />My biggest "shove down our throats" is that she's being featured at Chang Ban apparently, she's the starting unlock character (Zhao Yun fanboys should have their feathers ruffled), and she shows up in the starting movie alongside legit characters with serious history/accomplishments (Zhang Fei/Zhao Yun)<br /><br />I just don't get it, I really.. just flat out don't get it, of all the characters you choose to defend to death its her.
Wrongo.<br />She's not here for us women, she's here for men to drool over. To be blunt; with her stupid cutesy BS and skanky jailbait look, she's everything a pdeo, weeaboo or Japanese man could want.<br />I wish we'd have gotten a real woman for a new Shu add instead of this tart.. :rolleyes:
I like you, we can be friends. Anytime I stereotype or reference women you are exempt.
Careful. I'm vicious at times.
We can be friends, but tread softly if you stereotype women often. Unless you're talking about generic characters..

Hmm, am I the only one wondering exactly what weapons are gender exclusive? I'm thinking maybe Lu Bu and Diao Chan's may be. Which seems relatively pointless, in my opinion.
All weapons should be gender-neutral.
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Shadowclaimer
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UpInMahBubble
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:40 pm
Bao Sanniang might be added for male fanservice. But a lot of the male character designs just scream female fanservice (Guan Suo, Sima Zhao, Lu Xun, Gan Ning etc)

KOEI do it on purpose, if characters catch someone's eye, they'll buy the game.

Although I don't have a problem with generic warriors too, but some of them just have boring personalities. Which is why I prefer Bao.

>_>
But the point is its really hypocritical for people to go into a thread and say "Liao Hua is a boring cliche' male warrior" then turn around and pretend Bao Sanniang is something unique or shocking or new to the world and scream she should be added.

I guess I'm tired of seeing people shoot down one design or concept because of it being historical or realistic then turning around and praising something generic.
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Solf Aetheral
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Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:41 pm
what weapons are gender exclusive?
Shadowclaimer got a confirmation the Great Sword was male exclusive and the whip was female exclusive. It's posted in his weapon thread.

Don't know about the rest of the weapons though.
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Sagittarius
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:41 pm
Shadowclaimer
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:33 pm
Sagittarius
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:32 pm
Shadowclaimer
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:24 pm
*facepalm*<br /><br />She's:<br />Fictional<br />Lacking Accomplishments<br />Lacking battle history<br />Lacking character (she's a generic cutesy wootsy, which is ironic considering people ***** about generic warrior types are loving her)<br /><br />We could bypass all of this, we haters of her could ignore it entirely, if fans weren't trying to pretend she was anything more than that. She is a GENERIC CUTE CHARACTER put into the game to appease female fans, and it works apparently because you're all willing to defend her to freaking DEATH as soon as anyone says a bit of crap about not liking her you get all "omg how can you not like her she's so kawaiii".<br /><br />My biggest "shove down our throats" is that she's being featured at Chang Ban apparently, she's the starting unlock character (Zhao Yun fanboys should have their feathers ruffled), and she shows up in the starting movie alongside legit characters with serious history/accomplishments (Zhang Fei/Zhao Yun)<br /><br />I just don't get it, I really.. just flat out don't get it, of all the characters you choose to defend to death its her.
Wrongo.<br />She's not here for us women, she's here for men to drool over. To be blunt; with her stupid cutesy BS and skanky jailbait look, she's everything a pdeo, weeaboo or Japanese man could want.<br />I wish we'd have gotten a real woman for a new Shu add instead of this tart.. :rolleyes:
I like you, we can be friends. Anytime I stereotype or reference women you are exempt.
Careful. I'm vicious at times.
We can be friends, but tread softly if you stereotype women often. Unless you're talking about generic characters..

Hmm, am I the only one wondering exactly what weapons are gender exclusive? I'm thinking maybe Lu Bu and Diao Chan's may be. Which seems relatively pointless, in my opinion.
All weapons should be gender-neutral.
Whip is confirmed as Female only (depressing was hoping for a nice male whip set) and Greatsword is confirmed as Male only (also depressing, Xing Cai could be good with it). [Dammit Aetheral beat me to my own quote] I have yet to see any other gender exclusive weapons, I think its pretty safe to assume that's it.

As for my stereotyping its mostly limited to weaboo fangirls.

I feel like Koei passed up an opportunity in this game honestly, Lian Shi has what appears to be the right personality, but takes 5 steps back with her looks, I'd love to see some more serious female characters in the game (hence as i said previously, Yue Ying and Xing Cai are probably the only females I'll play outside of completionist, I find they have decent personalities, not oversexualised looks, etc.)

I can only hope if they ever add Wu Guotai she won't be ridiculous.
Edited by Shadowclaimer, Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:49 pm.
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Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:42 pm
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Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:40 pm
Bao Sanniang might be added for male fanservice. But a lot of the male character designs just scream female fanservice (Guan Suo, Sima Zhao, Lu Xun, Gan Ning etc)

KOEI do it on purpose, if characters catch someone's eye, they'll buy the game.

Although I don't have a problem with generic warriors too, but some of them just have boring personalities. Which is why I prefer Bao.

>_>
But the point is its really hypocritical for people to go into a thread and say "Liao Hua is a boring cliche' male warrior" then turn around and pretend Bao Sanniang is something unique or shocking or new to the world and scream she should be added.

I guess I'm tired of seeing people shoot down one design or concept because of it being historical or realistic then turning around and praising something generic.
Stop trying to use logic, thats too realistic. Lol JK

Most people contradict their own principles and are hypocrites without even realizing it.
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Wolvesfable
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So, Zhu Rong is the Other force starter? Oh what a glorious day! Can't wait.
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Wolvesfable
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:46 pm
So, Zhu Rong is the Other force starter? Oh what a glorious day! Can't wait.
I was baffled there was an Other starter personally o.O figured you'd have to unlock them all.
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I don't really mind Bao Sanniang, since personally I feel that everyone in Shu acts like they have a stick up their butt and it's nice to see a character aside from Pang Tong who isn't super serious all the time in that faction.
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Now any anoimsity I had toward the characters in the opening has now been passed over to the fact the final stage if coolfish is correct is the final battle of Wei's conquest of Shu. Now we knew that late era wu wasn't gonna get much focus but really if it was the most generic end battle, couldn't they've added an attack on jian ye?

Edit: It does seem that Ma Dai, Bao and Pang Tong will not ask so serious all the time. (Well since without Sun Hao, you really can't do a final wu battle.
Edited by Paragon of Light, Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:50 pm.
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Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:47 pm
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Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:46 pm
So, Zhu Rong is the Other force starter? Oh what a glorious day! Can't wait.
I was baffled there was an Other starter personally o.O figured you'd have to unlock them all.
That's exactly what is was afraid of, that the others force had to be unlocked, but Zhu Rong being available from the start is awesome.
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@Solf Aetheral & Shadowclaimer: Hm. The great sword? That sucks, I was hoping to give it to Xing Cai.. Eugh, I hope those are the only gender-exclusive weapons because if a man can use a Yo-yo, a flute, and a harp; the women should be able to use everything else.
And I also hope no DLC weapons are gender exclusive either. This feature seems so useless..
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Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:42 pm
UpInMahBubble
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:40 pm
Bao Sanniang might be added for male fanservice. But a lot of the male character designs just scream female fanservice (Guan Suo, Sima Zhao, Lu Xun, Gan Ning etc)

KOEI do it on purpose, if characters catch someone's eye, they'll buy the game.

Although I don't have a problem with generic warriors too, but some of them just have boring personalities. Which is why I prefer Bao.

>_>
But the point is its really hypocritical for people to go into a thread and say "Liao Hua is a boring cliche' male warrior" then turn around and pretend Bao Sanniang is something unique or shocking or new to the world and scream she should be added.

I guess I'm tired of seeing people shoot down one design or concept because of it being historical or realistic then turning around and praising something generic.
You're pretty much going round in a circle with that statement there. Some people love spontaneous characters with lots of energy, others prefer ones who actually act like warriors.

I'm not saying she's unique, most games in Japan can tell you otherwise. But for the Shu Kingdom, she is. They don't have a character like her.
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I think I'm someone in the minority that LOVES Bao Sannigan and her YOYO! I'm soooooooo glad that she is a starter for conquest mode!!! I hate how usually the game starts with all boring characters that I dislike and I have to just grudge through it until I unlock Zhen.

And I think I'mma hold off on watching any vids. I'll definitely read about everything though. I wanna keep some surprises for when I get the game.


Also, does one have to play as a Wei character in conquest mode for zhen ji to be unlocked!?!?!? Is unlocking characters random in conquest mode?!?!?!
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Not going to start an argument, but I don't understand why the heck people can hate characters so much..

I myself not a fan of these muscular and beardy guys, like dian wei, xiahou yuan, pang de, etc. and some females that may sound annoying like Himiko from Musou Orochi and Xiao Qiao. But I never hate them or thinking that they're not in the game, though. I will just play them less than the ones I like. I still find those ones interesting and might want to play as them sometimes.
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Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:50 pm
@Solf Aetheral & Shadowclaimer: Hm. The great sword? That sucks, I was hoping to give it to Xing Cai.. Eugh, I hope those are the only gender-exclusive weapons because if a man can use a Yo-yo, a flute, and a harp; the women should be able to use everything else.
And I also hope no DLC weapons are gender exclusive either. This feature seems so useless..
I can agree, don't see a point really, would've really loved to see a serious male whip moveset.. I mean avoiding sexism, I can't see like Da Qiao using the Club or anything (or for that matter, Xu Zhu using the Harp), but that should be character restriction on weapons (which I guess the compatibility/skill system does) there is no reason to keep the gender restrictions.

Harp and Flute are seen on others (Zhou Yu with a Flute is quite expected, and Zhang He is seen with it in his screenshots), Ding Feng has the Harp in one screenshot, Sima Yi has the Yo-Yo.

I don't see the point in the feature unless they're trying to preach that restricting weapons creates more character uniqueness, but meh..
Edited by Shadowclaimer, Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:56 pm.
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Sagittarius
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:50 pm
@Solf Aetheral & Shadowclaimer: Hm. The great sword? That sucks, I was hoping to give it to Xing Cai.. Eugh, I hope those are the only gender-exclusive weapons because if a man can use a Yo-yo, a flute, and a harp; the women should be able to use everything else.
And I also hope no DLC weapons are gender exclusive either. This feature seems so useless..
i believe Koei made this gender exclusive bafoonary, and i remember them saying that it would be awkward to have a female moving super manly and a male moving super femininely. But honestly, look at Zhang He, soo...its kinda useless. but watever.
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Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:33 pm
All available fights for your reference:

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Yellow Turban to Wan Castle

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Sou Chun to Tong Gate

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Fall of Pang Tong to Wu Zhang Plain

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Revolt of Gong Sun Yuan to Wu Chiu Jian/Wen Qing

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Dong Xing to Cheng Du
Do you mean Cheng Du (Fall of Shu) is the last battle on the list when sorted chronogically ?
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garnix
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:55 pm
coolfish1103
Mon Mar 7, 2011 6:33 pm
All available fights for your reference:

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Yellow Turban to Wan Castle

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Sou Chun to Tong Gate

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Fall of Pang Tong to Wu Zhang Plain

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Revolt of Gong Sun Yuan to Wu Chiu Jian/Wen Qing

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Dong Xing to Cheng Du
Do you mean Cheng Du (Fall of Shu) is the last battle on the list when sorted chronogically ?
That's what I'm thinking. We knew late wu would get little attention but Koei should of outright just said the game ends at 263 ad instead of 280 with the fall of shu and Zhoug Hui's rebellion. Hoping the xl will focus more on others and late wu and jin. Know I can accept the choices for Jin since it doesn't go past Cheng Du.

Edit: Then again, we do misinterpet information a lot and which end of the three kingdoms either 263 or 280 was left ambiguous.
Edited by Paragon of Light, Mon Mar 7, 2011 7:01 pm.
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