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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v5] (SPOILERS); SPOILERS BEWARE! GAMEPLAY VIDEOS/INFO INSIDE!
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Paragon of Light
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@MitsurnariWrath That was us misinterpeting the information which is what we are adept at. We thought 22-25 stages. Every roster had lower than that. We assumed that everyone was going to have a stage. That's where we were wrong.

Well, stages still take longer. So there still is the amount of time it takes to finish kingdom mode.
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Humble Novice
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I think it's too early for us to jump into conclusions here. If I remember correctly, some of the playable officers could only be unlocked through Conquest Mode. It's possible that obtaining these characters there might make them appear in Kingdom Mode.
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Mister Majesty
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Wow. I don't really care for Wu, so I don't mind the short mode for them. I just wanna hear more about Wei and ZHEN JI!
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aliebeth
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I'm guessing that Zhen Ji will be playable in Wei's mode, and that Bao and probably...Yue Ying will be playable in Shu's.
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ChibiGingi
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*is done with Dragon Age 2 for tonight, and catches up on reading*

Wow. I'm not sure how I feel about... well... anything that's been revealed. I cannot fathom how NEW characters don't even get a stage for themselves- well, I can see Lian Shi not getting a stage if the Qiaos don't, but Ding Feng? Really? Such wasted potential. This makes Chibi sad.

But Wu's story ends at Yi Ling? Ah, well, guess they didn't want to show their embarrassing attempts at He Fei Castle, or the bits with Zhou Fang's deception. Or ANYTHING where Ding Feng's inclusion would have been worth the time, effort, and cg rendering. That's just sad.

I'm not trying to get too whiney here- I'm not that upset over it. More or less surprised, but I suppose I was under the misconception that all the characters were going to get at least 1 stage. Now that it's brought up, I suppose it was never really officially stated by KoeiTecmo, so...

Still going to play the **** out of this game when it comes to the states, though. Lu Meng and my favs. of Wu got levels, and there's always the option for DLC (hopefully not TOO expensive?). Waiting for Shu's... god I hope Wei Yan at least gets one level. Seeing's Wu's list, I'm not holding my breath.

EDIT: @HumbleNovice- Is that so? Then, while that would definitely be a relief in the end, that also seems very clever of Koei to force you to go play Conquest Mode first, THEN you can get the full story.

I'll hold my tongue and wait to see then. That would make sense to me...
Edited by ChibiGingi, Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:12 am.
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Is this Hu Lao gate being played right now? or Si Shui gate?. I can't tell >_>
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YumichiHeart
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Wei is demonized, Shu is praised, Wu is now cut from existence.

Kingdom most insulted: Wu. (Just saying, Sun Hao may have been a tyrant, but Liu Chan was dropped on his head, or thrown on the ground XD)

I dislike everything about Wu, their characters doesn't seem as interesting as the rest, the story now is terrible, KOEI is content on making Wu the losers of the era (When technically they were close to it in the Late-Wu, but Late-Shu was worse). Mid-Wei, Mid-Shu, and Early-Wu were the climax of the kingdoms... with that said, I can see why Early-Wu is the main focus, but still...

They do know there was battles they could have added before ending it, they didn't even have to add an end battle for Wu, Zhang Liao was robbed of a death scene, and Xu Huang was robbed of an epic rescue, and then Ding Feng was robbed of killing the greatest fear in Wu.

All of this adds up to one thing, I was starting to like Wu, until the lack of any good adds (Ding Feng is decent), Zhuge Ke, and Lu Kang could have helped Wu greatly, also Du Yu and Yang Hu for Jin couldn't have hurt KOEI. Here's hoping for 4 DLC characters, and a new map for Wu's fall (In Conquest mode, or maybe even an added story battle)

What is the chance KOEI would do something like that? release a maybe a pack for Wu's downfall consisting of a 1-3 maps and those 4? I'd pay for it :P

(I was kinda hoping to see Meng Da's defection from Wei, that is where Xu Huang was killed correct?)
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Not gonna be on that much longer, but here are more stages.

Wei story stages
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Azu
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ChibiGingi
Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:04 am
But Wu's story ends at Yi Ling? Ah, well, guess they didn't want to show their embarrassing attempts at He Fei Castle, or the bits with Zhou Fang's deception. Or ANYTHING where Ding Feng's inclusion would have been worth the time, effort, and cg rendering. That's just sad.
There seems to be one other stage after Yi Ling against Wei (maybe He Fei Castle?). But I have no idea who's got that stage.
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ChibiGingi
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Azu
Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:14 am
ChibiGingi
Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:04 am
But Wu's story ends at Yi Ling? Ah, well, guess they didn't want to show their embarrassing attempts at He Fei Castle, or the bits with Zhou Fang's deception. Or ANYTHING where Ding Feng's inclusion would have been worth the time, effort, and cg rendering. That's just sad.
There seems to be one other stage after Yi Ling against Wei (maybe He Fei Castle?). But I have no idea who's got that stage.
Well, if what HumbleNotice mentioned is true, than maybe you have to unlock Ding Feng in Conquest Mode first then you can unlock that Stage in Story Mode?

Might be getting too hopeful, but yeah, I was at least looking forward to that stage. He Fei Castle is one of my favorites on any game, Wei or Wu side. Just so grand, epic... and those tornadoes in DW3. Miss them.

Just seems a waste to include the only somewhat LATE Wu character and not give him a stage in his own kingdom.
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Paragon of Light
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Seeing this pattern, I know a certain Wei female who's not getting a stage. I'm looking at you Cai Wenji. (Not surprised about this one.)

This also makes me wonder about the new shu adds.
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I've been watching the live stream on justintv, and I am noticing a trend:

Everytime he switches to a new character, he primarily uses the weapon that has been leveled most even if that weapon is NOT the ex weapon. for example, while using Xiahou Yuan he uses the dao more than the bow because a lot of characters in DW7 use the dao. Since a lot of characters use the dao, it is leveled up frequently. When he gets put into Yuan's control, he picks the dao over the bow.

This will lead players to use the same few weapons all the way throughout the game if they choose to be most efficient. I know people are going to say, "Well use the other weapon to make the gameplay feel fresh!" The thing is, the new, less used weapon is comparably weaker than the frequently used one. Why would you choose to be weaker?

Bleh. I may choose to level up each weapon evenly, even though it would result in slightly weaker weapons than if I focused on just a few popular ones.
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ChibiGingi
Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:17 am
Azu
Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:14 am
ChibiGingi
Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:04 am
But Wu's story ends at Yi Ling? Ah, well, guess they didn't want to show their embarrassing attempts at He Fei Castle, or the bits with Zhou Fang's deception. Or ANYTHING where Ding Feng's inclusion would have been worth the time, effort, and cg rendering. That's just sad.
There seems to be one other stage after Yi Ling against Wei (maybe He Fei Castle?). But I have no idea who's got that stage.
Well, if what HumbleNotice mentioned is true, than maybe you have to unlock Ding Feng in Conquest Mode first then you can unlock that Stage in Story Mode?

Might be getting too hopeful, but yeah, I was at least looking forward to that stage. He Fei Castle is one of my favorites on any game, Wei or Wu side. Just so grand, epic... and those tornadoes in DW3. Miss them.

Just seems a waste to include the only somewhat LATE Wu character and not give him a stage in his own kingdom.
Ding Feng could have had an interesting role in late Wu battles, there seems to be only two late Wu battles though, with Lu Xun getting both Parts in Yi Ling (Could have at least added Ding Feng?), and then the possible He Fei castle (add Ding Feng, then once again expand someones life in this case, Zhou Tai's) How hard could that be for KOEI?

Wu's story is just pure laziness on KOEI's part. If SSX is at YTR, Ding Feng or Zhou Tai can be at He Fei Castle, or Yi Ling at least.
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What I find kind of stupid in the game is the juggernauts, or whatever those machines were while the guy was playing as Lu Xun.

He just runs right past them, what's the point of those if you can just run past them, and they are so spread out they don't even get to attack you, you can head straight to the *door guard*? or whatever that person is. X.x At least now I don't need to worry about getting fireballed :P
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ChibiGingi
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:19 am
Seeing this pattern, I know a certain Wei female who's not getting a stage. I'm looking at you Cai Wenji. (Not surprised about this one.)

This also makes me wonder about the new shu adds.
Ha, it's Shu. Everyone except Pang Tong and maybe Wei Yan will get a stage. The new ones? Multiple ones.

I'm going to really hate playing Shu's story if Wei Yan isn't at least playable. Sure, Ma Dai alone holds a lot of weight, but he can't be there without Wei Yan at least having a stage of his own.

I'm calling it now- Pang Tong definitely doesn't have a stage. And if he does, then I guess it's good that he's one step above the Qiaos, I guess? At least there's one historical nut in the Store mode department.

Edit:@YumichiHeart- I agree completely. I fail to see how they can justify giving Lu Xun three stages when they could have used either Zhou Tai for the other part of Yi Ling, or even Ding Feng (IF the story had to end at Yi Ling).

And Lu Xun is one of my favorites. Hate to speak against the little imp, but... really?
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:23 am
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:19 am
Seeing this pattern, I know a certain Wei female who's not getting a stage. I'm looking at you Cai Wenji. (Not surprised about this one.)

This also makes me wonder about the new shu adds.
Ha, it's Shu. Everyone except Pang Tong and maybe Wei Yan will get a stage. The new ones? Multiple ones.

I'm going to really hate playing Shu's story if Wei Yan isn't at least playable. Sure, Ma Dai alone holds a lot of weight, but he can't be there without Wei Yan at least having a stage of his own.

I'm calling it now- Pang Tong definitely doesn't have a stage. And if he does, then I guess it's good that he's one step above the Qiaos, I guess? At least there's one historical nut in the Store mode department.

Edit:@YumichiHeart- I agree completely. I fail to see how they can justify giving Lu Xun three stages when they could have used either Zhou Tai for the other part of Yi Ling, or even Ding Feng (IF the story had to end at Yi Ling).

And Lu Xun is one of my favorites. Hate to speak against the little imp, but... really?
In my opinion, Pang Tong MIGHT have a stage.

In Chi Bi, he defects from Wei to Wu remember? While Zhuge is doing his whole wind thing. I haven't seen the Chi Bi level in the stream, but they might keep this fact in there.
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I'm guessing Pang Tong for Cheng Du until he gets ambushed and killed then Liu Bei takes over considering he was fighting his family
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Wu didn't end at Yi Ling, it do go beyond Yi Ling for a final fight with Wei (check spoiler for that)

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zhuoran92
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Zhang liao was not killed by ding feng! in history he died because of disease, in novel he was killed by wounds inflicted by xu sheng
Xu huang died a natural death in history
and late wu sucks really bad, they were just busy fighting each other...
When wei conquered shu, the battle was so fierce that they almost retreated, without Deng ai's sneak attack shu would have survived.
When Jin attacked wu, the only resistance wu put up was putting chains on the Chang jiang...
and while Liu Shan is kinda a retard, he doesn't mistreat his ppl like SUn HAo does
and really, Shu was the most politically stable kingdom during the mid and late period...
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Sallad
Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:27 am
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:23 am
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:19 am
Seeing this pattern, I know a certain Wei female who's not getting a stage. I'm looking at you Cai Wenji. (Not surprised about this one.)

This also makes me wonder about the new shu adds.
Ha, it's Shu. Everyone except Pang Tong and maybe Wei Yan will get a stage. The new ones? Multiple ones.

I'm going to really hate playing Shu's story if Wei Yan isn't at least playable. Sure, Ma Dai alone holds a lot of weight, but he can't be there without Wei Yan at least having a stage of his own.

I'm calling it now- Pang Tong definitely doesn't have a stage. And if he does, then I guess it's good that he's one step above the Qiaos, I guess? At least there's one historical nut in the Store mode department.

Edit:@YumichiHeart- I agree completely. I fail to see how they can justify giving Lu Xun three stages when they could have used either Zhou Tai for the other part of Yi Ling, or even Ding Feng (IF the story had to end at Yi Ling).

And Lu Xun is one of my favorites. Hate to speak against the little imp, but... really?
In my opinion, Pang Tong MIGHT have a stage.

In Chi Bi, he defects from Wei to Wu remember? While Zhuge is doing his whole wind thing. I haven't seen the Chi Bi level in the stream, but they might keep this fact in there.
And Zhou Tai saved Sun Quan while streaking naked, Ding Feng had a lot of merit on his own, Taishi Ci was considered Sun Ce's equal in combat, and the Qiaos were supposedly the Helens of Chi Bi.

Pang Tong's role at Chi Bi, despite how vital it was, could be told through cut scenes if need be. No where near entire stage or half a stage worthy, if you see what they did with Wu.

BUT, to counter my own argument, this is Shu we're talking about, and we know that always get a lot more justice in just about everything they're portrayed in. Except some of those Anime in Japan... they're Wu biased.

Not to say I'm going to be pissed if Pang Tong gets a stage. The exact opposite, I would love for him to get a stage! One of Shu's most interesting characters. Just not going to hold my breath for it.
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I know we all have our points of frustration and anger toward the game but is anyone else just super pleased at how well everything looks, I'am. The game looks great to me and I'm loving the gameplay Im seeing. :) . A question though. Has anyone seen Sima Yi's 2nd musou attack. Ive only seen the one on the ground with the sphere and the blast coming from it. If you have please let me know I would love to see it.
Edited by SimaYi11, Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:33 am.
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zhuoran92
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i do agree that ding feng, zhou tai, and taishi ci should be given a stage
for example, ding feng should fight in dong kou
zhou tai can fight in he fei/ru xu kou
taishi ci can fight in jiangdong
but i'm fine with wu
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SimaYi11
Wed Mar 9, 2011 4:32 am
I know we all have our points of frustration and anger towar the game but is anyone else just super pleased at well everything looks, I'am. The game looks great to me and I'm loving the gameplay Im seeing. :) . A question though. Has anyone seen Sima Yi's 2nd musou attack. Ive only seen the one on the ground with the sphere and the blast coming from it. If you have please let me know I would love to see it.
Honestly, yes.

Some people may think that I've been trolling the forums, but I'm not haha. I'm just pointing out the things that bug me.

This game is a whole new dynasty warriors experience. It actually has story an plot progression. It even has emotion! EMOTION IN DW!

The graphics are also very nice, and the battles look way more intensified. Most of the small-range weapons from the other games seemed to have gotten a buff here too. i was always sick of using Pang Tong and his small hit box. I would play as him while my friend played as the wide-hitting Lu Bu. He would get more KO's than me everytime! Same with Sun Ce and his tonfa!

I also like how everything flows. Before, there were bland cutscenes, a preparation scene, then a flat out battle. In here, the hub world connects with the next stage, and cutscenes are streamed in throughout the levels. Its so cool.

I'm going to play the crap out of this game. Every game has imperfections, but this game is a MONUMENTAL step over DW6.
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I will admit Wu not getting a lot a of stages compared to Jin did cloud my judgement and it was predictable but still. The game still looks great and even the Wu story for being the weakest story so far, does have a lot of depression and sadness and betrayal.
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Forget that, he said hes stopping after i said it.. -_-
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