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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v5] (SPOILERS); SPOILERS BEWARE! GAMEPLAY VIDEOS/INFO INSIDE!
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Yunchan
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:34 pm
Yunchan
Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:33 pm
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:29 pm
Tigris solis orientis
Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:27 pm
Shadowclaimer
Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:24 pm
And as bothered as I am about the Kingdom Mode mishap with characters, its annoying to see people write it off so easily, but its also annoying to see people not care whatsoever. Koei was aiming for historical accuracy with this title, and a cinematic experience, they really really missed the mark on accuracy by ignoring some major achievements of characters.

Also its really easy to fit the entire roster of a faction into 25 missions at least once, there's plenty of slots for all of them. Xu Huang/Cao Ren should've gotten Fan Castle easily though, that's just.. that one makes no sense for them to neglect, it fits, it works, it wouldn't be a stretch, but instead they blew it off.

It just doesn't make sense, the story doesn't get advanced at all by throwing Xiahou Dun in there for both parts. You'd broaden Wei a lot more by implementing two of their major players.
Very good point, It's the one for me I don't get either -_- . I really like Dun, but the only reason that was done was because it's the last stage for Wei, and they didn't want it ending with characters who're just about to get their highlights but haven't had a huge impact beforehand. Koei were just playing safe, that's all, but instead, playing safe has angered people. If there was another stage for Wei after Fan Castle, I have no doubt Cao Ren would've had Part 1 and Xu Huang 2.
Personally as much as I like the timeline versions of Kingdom Mode, I wish they would've legit ended Wei at Wu Zhang Plains. Would've made things a lot easier lol
not really, neither Xiahou Dun nor Guan Yu could be at Wu Zhang
I don't think anybody was saying they were :unsure: ?
Well, people are saying they could have put the proper people on the Wei side at Fan castle if there had been another stage for the story to end, however Guan Yu died right after the battle, Cao Cao died soon thereafter, and Xiahou Dun before Wu Zang, the next big wei vs shu battle that you could end a story mode on. And even if there were, having set up the Wei story with Cao, Dun as a centerpiece and Guan yu as Dun's opposite, they had to roll with it even if they have to make "concessions" for the sake of story closure.
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@Tigris solis orientis: I've read you like Fan Castle's music, but it's not stage specific unique. I've said and heard it many times through the posts, it's actually the music that plays when winning/advantage and is an extended version of the opening.

I've now seen Sun Jian's, Ce's and Zhou Yu's deaths, I would have to save Jian's seemed the saddest. Sun Ce's face looked absolutely distraught and he stood there like he froze.

Sun Quan actually gets a very happy ending, opening his eyes to ''those things'' in front of his face and with a happy atmosphere. :P
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:45 pm
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:44 pm
Tigris solis orientis
Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:41 pm
majed12345
Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:39 pm
Jin start with Wu Zhang Plains !!

It's Sima Yi Isn't ?

Thats good we can say it's for Wei << kinda
No, Wu Zhang isn't in Jins Kingdom Mode, but Sima Yi in Conquest Mode.
I thought it was in their Kingdom Mode. If its only available in Conquest Mode for Wei, then I think its pretty clear Conquest Mode is the meat of this game.
but man, conquest mode stages are short and have no cutscenes, that sucks..
Yeah, its pretty f'd up.

Conquest mode seems like it will be as cold and emotionless (characterization wise) as DW6 empires.
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majed12345
Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:39 pm
Jin start with Wu Zhang Plains !!

It's Sima Yi Isn't ?

Thats good we can say it's for Wei << kinda
No, Wu Zhang isn't in Jins Kingdom Mode, but Sima Yi in Conquest Mode.
I thought it was in their Kingdom Mode. If its only available in Conquest Mode for Wei, then I think its pretty clear Conquest Mode is the meat of this game.
Nope, Jin's Kingdom Mode begins with Sima Yi attacking Gongsun erm, Yuan I think, or maybe Kang. Either way, it isn't Wu Zhang. I just hope they make Wu Zhang pretty awesome for Sima Yi in conquest.
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:30 pm
It looks like if you die on a stage you lose whatever you earned in it. I was trying on a stage on a hard difficulty and died after killing the first general. When I checked afterwards I didn't have the 10 skill points I earned from that kill and my stats didn't update to show the kills I earned in the stage.
Question:

Do you earn more Kingdom Mode stages through playing Conquest Mode? (The Koei wikia page for DW7 says yes). However, I would like the true answer from someone who actually owns the game.
Interesting, I'd like to know the answer to this as well.
I haven't touched Kingdom Mode yet. I'll give a few stages a shot and see if I unlock anything (stages/characters) for Chronicle Mode immediately after doing them.


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Can anyone tell me what the numbers on the left side are? I know on the right are my gold and I know that the numbers show (from top to bottom): Earned in battle, Previous, New Total. I just can't figure out what that 2297 is supposed to be. It isn't how much skill points I have because I only have 110 of those and it's not kills because my kill count is 642.
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SilentNinja
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And as bothered as I am about the Kingdom Mode mishap with characters, its annoying to see people write it off so easily, but its also annoying to see people not care whatsoever. Koei was aiming for historical accuracy with this title, and a cinematic experience, they really really missed the mark on accuracy by ignoring some major achievements of characters.

Also its really easy to fit the entire roster of a faction into 25 missions at least once, there's plenty of slots for all of them. Xu Huang/Cao Ren should've gotten Fan Castle easily though, that's just.. that one makes no sense for them to neglect, it fits, it works, it wouldn't be a stretch, but instead they blew it off.

It just doesn't make sense, the story doesn't get advanced at all by throwing Xiahou Dun in there for both parts. You'd broaden Wei a lot more by implementing two of their major players.
I don't think they were going for historical accuracy. I think they care more about telling the stories they want to tell with the characters that they want to push forward. A lot of the complaints about Xiahou Dun are correct, but looking at it in another way, you'll see it makes complete sense from Koei's standpoint. The hardcore fans of the series, the people who will post about, talk about it, watch streams of it, don't make up a significant portion of the audience who will ultimately play the game. In fact I would wager that a large portion of those who play the game know very little about the novel let alone the actual history. These types of assumptions aren't crazy to make given the actual sales of games and the presence of message boards and websites.

Taking that into consideration, Xiahou Dun has always been a poster boy for Wei so to speak. He's always one of the first characters unlocked and that you play with. On top of that, they push him forward as one of their main characters (just look at the opening videos for example). When they decided to tell Wei's narrative, it both begins and ends with Xiahou Dun in terms of who you're playing with. Does it satisfy the hardcore fans? No, not really, but that probably doesn't matter to them as much as appealing to those who don't know as much about the history/novel as well as telling a narrative that can reasonably begin and end within the confines of Wei.

Now, along the way, they'll try to use as much of the novel/history as they can to keep hardcores satisfied with what's been presented to them, but overall that isn't their target audience.

I'm not suggesting I agree with the choices they made and am happy about all of their decisions, I merely accept the likely reasons behind them.
That's what I've been worrying about everyday since the game was announced. Now, there are two complains from this game that aggrevate me, leave out Xu Huang's story behind Guan Yu's drama to tie in with Xiahou Dun(He don't have to be playable, just take part in the stage and let the guy who actually fought the arrogant Wargod in that battle while Dun provide assistance) Cao Ren will also interact with Dun, but not Sima Yi. Let the traitor(Yes, he's a traitor, even if you don't pity Cao Shuang's political/military mistakes) remain behind the scenes to observe the three men narration with their objective.

Zhou Tai and Ding Feng can make up most of the last stage story so Sun Quan can interact with them to prove assistance the same way, instead of hogging his glory for himself.(Without these magificant talent, Zhongmou, you're nothing but an impatient scholar like you were meant to be from the beginning.)

Sheesh, the story can not get any worst than DW 6 here because everything centers on Sima Yi, Guan Yu, Sun Quan, and Jin Dynasty. I knew Koei tried hard to make an entertaining story, but with questionable choices.
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:59 pm
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:33 pm
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:24 pm
And as bothered as I am about the Kingdom Mode mishap with characters, its annoying to see people write it off so easily, but its also annoying to see people not care whatsoever. Koei was aiming for historical accuracy with this title, and a cinematic experience, they really really missed the mark on accuracy by ignoring some major achievements of characters.

Also its really easy to fit the entire roster of a faction into 25 missions at least once, there's plenty of slots for all of them. Xu Huang/Cao Ren should've gotten Fan Castle easily though, that's just.. that one makes no sense for them to neglect, it fits, it works, it wouldn't be a stretch, but instead they blew it off.

It just doesn't make sense, the story doesn't get advanced at all by throwing Xiahou Dun in there for both parts. You'd broaden Wei a lot more by implementing two of their major players.
I don't think they were going for historical accuracy. I think they care more about telling the stories they want to tell with the characters that they want to push forward. A lot of the complaints about Xiahou Dun are correct, but looking at it in another way, you'll see it makes complete sense from Koei's standpoint. The hardcore fans of the series, the people who will post about, talk about it, watch streams of it, don't make up a significant portion of the audience who will ultimately play the game. In fact I would wager that a large portion of those who play the game know very little about the novel let alone the actual history. These types of assumptions aren't crazy to make given the actual sales of games and the presence of message boards and websites.

Taking that into consideration, Xiahou Dun has always been a poster boy for Wei so to speak. He's always one of the first characters unlocked and that you play with. On top of that, they push him forward as one of their main characters (just look at the opening videos for example). When they decided to tell Wei's narrative, it both begins and ends with Xiahou Dun in terms of who you're playing with. Does it satisfy the hardcore fans? No, not really, but that probably doesn't matter to them as much as appealing to those who don't know as much about the history/novel as well as telling a narrative that can reasonably begin and end within the confines of Wei.

Now, along the way, they'll try to use as much of the novel/history as they can to keep hardcores satisfied with what's been presented to them, but overall that isn't their target audience.

I'm not suggesting I agree with the choices they made and am happy about all of their decisions, I merely accept the likely reasons behind them.
That's what I've been worrying about everyday since the game was announced. Now, there are two complains from this game that aggrevate me, leave out Xu Huang's story behind Guan Yu's drama to tie in with Xiahou Dun(He don't have to be playable, just take part in the stage and let the guy who actually fought the arrogant Wargod in that battle while Dun provide assistance) Cao Ren will also interact with Dun, but not Sima Yi. Let the traitor(Yes, he's a traitor, even if you don't pity Cao Shuang's political/military mistakes) remain behind the scenes to observe the three men narration with their objective.

Zhou Tai and Ding Feng can make up most of the last stage story so Sun Quan can interact with them to prove assistance the same way, instead of hogging his glory for himself.(Without these magificant talent, Zhongmou, you're nothing but an impatient scholar like you were meant to be from the beginning.)

Sheesh, the story can not get any worst than DW 6 here because everything centers on Sima Yi, Guan Yu, Sun Quan, and Jin Dynasty. I knew Koei tried hard to make an entertaining story, but with questionable choices.
I know people dislike DW6 for various reasons, but I will never understand people who say it had the worst story. Personally to me it had the best stories that DW has had in a long time...
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:48 pm
I've now seen Sun Jian's, Ce's and Zhou Yu's deaths, I would have to save Jian's seemed the saddest. Sun Ce's face looked absolutely distraught and he stood there like he froze.
Jian's death scene for once was done epically good so I give them props for that. It even got me all teary eye from it. Ce's was pretty sad too and at least showed some emotion unlike in the previous games.

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Sun Quan actually gets a very happy ending, opening his eyes to ''those things'' in front of his face and with a happy atmosphere. :P
I am surprised he didn't throw his back out with the size of those cannons she has while being in his arms... meh, I didn't like the ending though. That ruined it for me along with few other scenes with them.
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I've just seen the biggest load of tosh on these forums in a while. Most of you haven't even played the game yet and already you are critising aspects of Kingdom Mode before you even started. Its this sort of pessimistic view people have before the disc even enters the console that really bugs me.

Yes there are flaws but you look at the horrible 1 based character musou modes of DW5 and you look at Kingdom Mode I would most definitely pick the latter. I'm not a DW7 fanboy because I haven't played it yet therefore not made my judgements. But can I remind all of you, if you play a game and you enjoy it then that game has done its job even I had fun playing Dynasty Warriors 6 even when I played as Xiahou Yuan with his cloned moveset at Mt Ding Jun I still enjoyed the battles.

Lets be happy we are getting a DW, the amount of hatred launched at Koei from its mistakes (rushing) in DW6 could have made them say ''Alright then lets screw the series and move on'' and not many people here want that I imagine. Lets have some optimism people. Games are for fun nothing else imo.

Phew that was a long speech.
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As bothered as I am about the lack of characters in Kingdom mode, I can't ignore the awesome gameplay with the seemless transitions, different weapons, different musous, music, flaming Red Hare(!) and Conquest mode, and the tiny little touches that makes things more interesting (defecting officers switching colors).

From what I have seen, DW7 blows DW6 right out of the water. I guess people were expecting it to blow DW6 out of the whole planet and from that dissapointment.
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For the guys who posted the alternate costumes in spoiler tags, could you be so kind and just post the links?

Copying them myself isn't working and there really isn't a need to put spoiler tags on pictures ^_^
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:46 pm
AdawgDaFAB
Wed Mar 9, 2011 5:24 pm
I had to share these with everyone:
Alt Outfits pictures for the starting roster:
Spoiler: click to toggle


Black Hair, Han General Sun Jian = Favorite DW7 outfit I've seen so far!
And of course, they do whith Zhu Rong what I always hate; lighten her skin. That destroys her alternate colour for me. I really like Shang Xiang's though, much better than her default. Liu Bei, Sima Yi and Sun Jian's also look really good.
Thanks for posting that. ^_^

When you unlock Zhen Ji you totally have to upload a picture of her alternate. :XD
It looked like they got rid of her pants from what I saw of it in the stream.
Will do! Planning on taking pics of all the alternates eventually. :sly:

@kaiosuke37 I removed the image code from the quote, but left it in tags so it doesn't stretch the page. Those are direct links to my pics. Is that what you wanted?
Edited by AdawgDaFAB, Wed Mar 9, 2011 9:17 pm.
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 9:11 pm
For the guys who posted the alternate costumes in spoiler tags, could you be so kind and just post the links?

Copying them myself isn't working and there really isn't a need to put spoiler tags on pictures ^_^
I wouldn't count alternate costumes as spoilers. :XD



Spoilers would be like watching story mode stages and cutscenes or story related events/situations.
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Sum Gai
Wed Mar 9, 2011 9:07 pm
As bothered as I am about the lack of characters in Kingdom mode, I can't ignore the awesome gameplay with the seemless transitions, different weapons, different musous, music, flaming Red Hare(!) and Conquest mode, and the tiny little touches that makes things more interesting (defecting officers switching colors).

From what I have seen, DW7 blows DW6 right out of the water. I guess people were expecting it to blow DW6 out of the whole planet and from that dissapointment.
Its like this people are placing so much hype on DW7 that the flaws therefore burn deeper. Dynasty Warriors 7 does blow Dynasty Warriors 6 (and 5,3 and 2 imo) out of the water. The Kingdom Mode works better imo to sucessfully tell the story and can we all remember that Jin has only been added Koei has took Jin for a drive test and is probably going to expand via DLC or Dynasty Warriors 8 (if there is one). Cmon everyone actually show some support for Koei (if not for the rushed mess of 6) then for the greats like 4 and 3 (4 is my fav if that makes my arguement understandable. :hehe:
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Just seen one battle on youtube, can't wait for this game now
Edited by ZhugeEX, Wed Mar 9, 2011 9:19 pm.
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NovemEnuma
Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:33 pm
AdawgDaFAB
Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:30 pm
It looks like if you die on a stage you lose whatever you earned in it. I was trying on a stage on a hard difficulty and died after killing the first general. When I checked afterwards I didn't have the 10 skill points I earned from that kill and my stats didn't update to show the kills I earned in the stage.
Question:

Do you earn more Kingdom Mode stages through playing Conquest Mode? (The Koei wikia page for DW7 says yes). However, I would like the true answer from someone who actually owns the game.
Interesting, I'd like to know the answer to this as well.
I haven't touched Kingdom Mode yet. I'll give a few stages a shot and see if I unlock anything (stages/characters) for Chronicle Mode immediately after doing them.


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Can anyone tell me what the numbers on the left side are? I know on the right are my gold and I know that the numbers show (from top to bottom): Earned in battle, Previous, New Total. I just can't figure out what that 2297 is supposed to be. It isn't how much skill points I have because I only have 110 of those and it's not kills because my kill count is 642.
My guess is that they mean exp gained in the battle, exp you had and now total exp?
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Oh there I was thinking lvls had been replaced completley with stat boosts by smacking officers. Huh makes sense otherwise peon slaying wouldn't be so fruitful.
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If anyone could can you link me the videos of Wu or Shu storyline?
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 9:16 pm
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 8:46 pm
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Wed Mar 9, 2011 5:24 pm
I had to share these with everyone:
Alt Outfits pictures for the starting roster:
Spoiler: click to toggle


Black Hair, Han General Sun Jian = Favorite DW7 outfit I've seen so far!
And of course, they do whith Zhu Rong what I always hate; lighten her skin. That destroys her alternate colour for me. I really like Shang Xiang's though, much better than her default. Liu Bei, Sima Yi and Sun Jian's also look really good.
Thanks for posting that. ^_^

When you unlock Zhen Ji you totally have to upload a picture of her alternate. :XD
It looked like they got rid of her pants from what I saw of it in the stream.
Will do! Planning on taking pics of all the alternates eventually. :sly:

@kaiosuke37 I removed the image code from the quote, but left it in tags so it doesn't stretch the page. Those are direct links to my pics. Is that what you wanted?
Ah! Thanks! I'm super excited to see if Zhen's pants are indeed gone in her alternate. She looked so pretty!
I'm also hoping Yue Ying's give her a tan and auburn hair.. Guh, I can't wait to play this game.. :rolleyes:

I also have a question, are Conquest mode stages all like 10 minutes long? Story mode has greatly lost its appeal to me after excluding all of my favourites so I'm hoping that Conquest mode is fulfilling enough to make up for that.
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Sum Gai
Wed Mar 9, 2011 9:07 pm
As bothered as I am about the lack of characters in Kingdom mode, I can't ignore the awesome gameplay with the seemless transitions, different weapons, different musous, music, flaming Red Hare(!) and Conquest mode, and the tiny little touches that makes things more interesting (defecting officers switching colors).

From what I have seen, DW7 blows DW6 right out of the water. I guess people were expecting it to blow DW6 out of the whole planet and from that dissapointment.
I didn't think this game would escape orbit, but I feel that my hopes were reasonable.

I expected DW7 to build on DW6's main strength - improved battle immersion. I did not expect the promising DW6 siege elements to be stripped down to an occasional big piece of machinery for the player to use, and omitted from battles that historically involved long-term siege.

I expected the kingdom stories to highlight badassery for as much of the cast as possible, with a thought-out and varied selection of playable roles. I did not expect that some characters would get several stages while other major generals got none - or that some of the era's top commanders would have their iconic roles assigned to a designated poster boy.
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Wait what? Conquest levels are limit of ten minutes each? WTF?
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Any video of Lubu?
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Conquest levels are 10 min each? Where did you read this?

I was starting to think why Conquest levels seemed so short when I was watching them streamed, now I'm starting to think they are all short, in order to accommodate online play.
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Any Da or Xiao Qiao gameplay?
and WTF 10 minutes thats really short
I think im gonna boycott this game
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For anyone wanting to see Sun Jian's death, it happens on the 44th minute:
http://www.justin.tv/ecokichi/b/281148891

I think today I'm going to avoid as much as possible now, but if anyone shows me a link to Zhao Yun at Chang Ban please I would be grateful. Thanks.
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