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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v5] (SPOILERS); SPOILERS BEWARE! GAMEPLAY VIDEOS/INFO INSIDE!
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JayHawk
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I got my copy of DW7!!!!!!!!!

At last!!!!! The wait is over!!!!!!

I came back from Hong Kong last night, and was able to find a copy after a long search. I actually haven't played it yet but I'm going to right after I post this.

I'll give my full review later after I've played it and unlocked many characters, if you guys wish me to, I can post a game video review for all you english speakers, let me know if that'd help at all!

AAAAH I'm so excited!
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:33 am
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:31 am
My favorite triple tag team of the three kingdoms is Lu Meng-Cao Ren-Xu Huang, to be honest. By their powers combined (and Lu Xun's), they showed the God of War who's boss.

Was hoping to see an epic triad in DW7, but I guess I'll count my lucky stars that at least ONE of the major players at Fan Castle got their stage. Lu Meng made it to the party- I guess Ren's and Huang's got lost in transit or something.
Word to that. I haven't seen all the multi-kingdom alliance campaigns, so perhaps some are done better, but I was bummed out at the lack of Wei/Wu interaction at Fan. The Wei side really ought to have focused on the flood, and the OH $!@# reaction thereto, whereas the Wu side would have Lu Meng and pals fighting through a different map in part 1 to reach the fortress for some awesome collaboration in part 2. That way, we'd still have the per-kingdom interactions, and the collaborative conversations wouldn't get redundant.

Fan Castle concept for Wei and Wu

BTW, glad you liked my sig spoiler. Laugh all you want - that's what it's there for. :D
It's a pity that no one else in the creative team could have had the brains to come up with that. Or, someone did, and the person with the hard-on for Xiahou Dun probably persuaded the head hancho to go with a more... "Xiahou Dun Worship" approach.

Seriously, someone needs to keep that guy in check. There are other kick-ass generals in Wei to spread the love to, not just one guy. Wei is a kingdom of kick-ass people... there should be plenty of love to go around!
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yes, english review would be amazing
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WhiteHorseRide
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It's difficult for me to be too mad at Xiahou Dun...I mean, it's Dun!
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:49 am
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:33 am
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:31 am
My favorite triple tag team of the three kingdoms is Lu Meng-Cao Ren-Xu Huang, to be honest. By their powers combined (and Lu Xun's), they showed the God of War who's boss.

Was hoping to see an epic triad in DW7, but I guess I'll count my lucky stars that at least ONE of the major players at Fan Castle got their stage. Lu Meng made it to the party- I guess Ren's and Huang's got lost in transit or something.
Word to that. I haven't seen all the multi-kingdom alliance campaigns, so perhaps some are done better, but I was bummed out at the lack of Wei/Wu interaction at Fan. The Wei side really ought to have focused on the flood, and the OH $!@# reaction thereto, whereas the Wu side would have Lu Meng and pals fighting through a different map in part 1 to reach the fortress for some awesome collaboration in part 2. That way, we'd still have the per-kingdom interactions, and the collaborative conversations wouldn't get redundant.

Fan Castle concept for Wei and Wu

BTW, glad you liked my sig spoiler. Laugh all you want - that's what it's there for. :D
It's a pity that no one else in the creative team could have had the brains to come up with that. Or, someone did, and the person with the hard-on for Xiahou Dun probably persuaded the head hancho to go with a more... "Xiahou Dun Worship" approach.

Seriously, someone needs to keep that guy in check. There are other kick-ass generals in Wei to spread the love to, not just one guy. Wei is a kingdom of kick-ass people... there should be plenty of love to go around!
*coughXiahouYuancough* I hate how Dun always overshadows Yuan, in history Yuan was more of a general and leader than Dun was even thought to be, hence why Yuan was given massive power and freedom in leading Cao Cao's armies.
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:00 am
It's difficult for me to be too mad at Xiahou Dun...I mean, it's Dun!
Xiahou Dun himself is nice, it's the people within Koei that have the hard-on for him so much that they openly neglect other characters in that kingdom that are driving me bonkers.

I suppose if Lu Meng were to suddenly take over all of Wu's story mode and people were bitching about that, I'd understand what the Xiahou Dun fans are going through. So, I apologize to any Dun fan here.

You're free to love him all you want- just feel free to ignore my rants. I'm just butthurt about the mistreatment of Cao Ren and Xu Huang, that's all. And Xiahou Yuan, as well.

I love the guy... too bad Yuan will never be as loved as his brother, though.
Edited by ChibiGingi, Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:05 am.
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yes, english review would be amazing
Then I shall post one up in 1 week!
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does anyone know if there is anywhere where I can listen to all the music tracks of dw7 yet?
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Xu Huang is like, in my top three, I was sad as hell that he didn't get a stage (especially Fan), but he at least got replaced by someone who I'm very fond of.

Besides before DW7, Koei never gave the inclination that they were all that in love with Xiahou Dun honestly. He never got more screen time than other top wei generals really.
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Dun's prowess may be unquestionable but his capabiliteis as leader are doubtful. But he was a good adminisrator or goverener something like that.

I feel the same for Ma Dai. He could of had bonds with Ma Chao, Zhuge Liang, and Wei Yan for sure and possibly others since he's one of those koei gives a huge extended lifespan along with quan.
Edited by Paragon of Light, Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:09 am.
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Dun's prowess may be unquestionable but his capabiliteis as leader are doubtful. But he was a good adminisrator or goverener something like that.

I feel the same for Ma Dai. He could of had bonds with Ma Chao, Zhuge Liang, and Wei Yan for sure and possibly others since he's one of those koei gives a huge extended lifespan along with quan.
I guess that is why Dun is the favorite over Yuan, (who was unquestionably a capable warrior as well) Dun fits the bill as a Hot-headed warrior perfect for a 1 vs 1000 game like this. Maybe they think Yuan isn't cool enough because he was cut in half by an old guy :s?

Edit: Also, I hope in future games Ma Dai doesn't get absorbed into Ma Chao's shadow. To me, Ma Dai seems to have been the better general (with more accomplishments under Liu Bei, than Chao did I believe?)

Edit#2: About the lifespan, Isn't Ma Dai over 110 in this game by the time the story ends?
Edited by YumichiHeart, Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:24 am.
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:08 am
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yes, english review would be amazing
Then I shall post one up in 1 week!
Is your copy in ENGLISH!!!!!!!
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:08 am
Xu Huang is like, in my top three, I was sad as hell that he didn't get a stage (especially Fan), but he at least got replaced by someone who I'm very fond of.

Besides before DW7, Koei never gave the inclination that they were all that in love with Xiahou Dun honestly. He never got more screen time than other top wei generals really.
Eh, Xiahou Dun was popular before DW7 among Koei, probably for promotional reasons. Along with Zhao Yun, Xiahou Dun is a bit of a poster boy himself, at least as far as advertising goes. Just like SSX or Zhou Yu are the spokesperson for Wu. Not sure if it was favoritism from the staff, or a choice made to appeal to their fanbase.

I recall Xiahou Dun and a few others getting 6 stages instead of the usual 5 in DW5, but then again, so did Dian Wei, Sun Ce and I think Guan Yu. Guan Yu makes perfect sense why he would get 6. Xiahou Dun? Not to much. Even LESS sense on Sun Ce and Dian Wei.

There's always been favoritism for certain characters. DW7 just makes it painfully obvious.
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:18 am
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Dun's prowess may be unquestionable but his capabiliteis as leader are doubtful. But he was a good adminisrator or goverener something like that.

I feel the same for Ma Dai. He could of had bonds with Ma Chao, Zhuge Liang, and Wei Yan for sure and possibly others since he's one of those koei gives a huge extended lifespan along with quan.
I guess that is why Dun is the favorite over Yuan, (who was unquestionably a capable warrior as well) Dun fits the bill as a Hot-headed warrior perfect for a 1 vs 1000 game like this. Maybe they think Yuan isn't cool enough because he was cut in half by an old guy :s?
This is exactly right.

Since its based on the novel, XY wasoutright killed by Huang Zhong and that is a big pockmark on him. I mean, he didn't lose a duel or anything, but he also didn't get caught by an errant arrow, he got caught off guard and sliced in half... :/

On the other hand Dun while still with both eyes was able to fight off Lu Bu for several hours straight, killed the guy who took his eye out while he was busy schooling Gao Shun, and while one-eyed was still an excellent enough duelist to fight Guan Yu to a tie. And was not killed in battle.

Who sounds cooler?
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:20 am
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:58 am
yes, english review would be amazing
Then I shall post one up in 1 week!
Is your copy in ENGLISH!!!!!!!
Its impossible to get an english copy this time around.... I just happened to be in Hong Kong at the time it released for Asia, but my voice in the video will be english, thats the best I can do.
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The favoritism really showed itself in the opening, which characters got the most stages and number of gaiden stages. Surprising I should say, wei and wu got more stages than jin and shu. However, wu didn't get any character with 3 gaiden stages. Again that opening was just way too shu centric.
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Xiahou Dun, of course. However, it's always been one of those issues with me. The obviously more well-rounded general, who gets dealt a bad hand and gets killed during battle, will always be overlooked by one guy who, while hasn't had a long career, has one or two 'epic' moments. Therefor he is remembered more, and often used more to promote fans to a series.

It's a sad truth. You're more likely to be popular having ONE MOMENT OF AWESOME, than to have a pretty well-established career but end it with being another casualty.

Still, I prefer Xiahou Yuan over Dun. Personality, character, career (even his untimely end), all scream more interesting to me than a guy that ate his eye and then does relatively little besides throws a tantrum and chases Guan Yu through a few gates.
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:58 am
yes, english review would be amazing
Then I shall post one up in 1 week!
Is your copy in ENGLISH!!!!!!!
Its impossible to get an english copy this time around.... I just happened to be in Hong Kong at the time it released for Asia, but my voice in the video will be english, thats the best I can do.
Thank you SOO MUCH!!! i really appreciate it. So is it in chinese? And sorry, i wont bother you anymore. HAVE FUN!!!
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:35 am
Still, I prefer Xiahou Yuan over Dun. Personality, character, career (even his untimely end), all scream more interesting to me than a guy that ate his eye and then does relatively little besides throws a tantrum and chases Guan Yu through a few gates.
For some reason the way you put that just make me crack up.

Xiahou Dun is among my top 5 Wei characters, but even I had to admit it's a little overboard. Like someone said it's as if DW7 is the one where Koei finally and officially milked their personal faves.

Though I gotta give them credit. Sun Quan at least finally does SOMETHING. Poor Quan, he's been in Jian's and Ce's shadow for far too long.
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:26 am
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Xu Huang is like, in my top three, I was sad as hell that he didn't get a stage (especially Fan), but he at least got replaced by someone who I'm very fond of.

Besides before DW7, Koei never gave the inclination that they were all that in love with Xiahou Dun honestly. He never got more screen time than other top wei generals really.
Eh, Xiahou Dun was popular before DW7 among Koei, probably for promotional reasons. Along with Zhao Yun, Xiahou Dun is a bit of a poster boy himself, at least as far as advertising goes. Just like SSX or Zhou Yu are the spokesperson for Wu. Not sure if it was favoritism from the staff, or a choice made to appeal to their fanbase.

I recall Xiahou Dun and a few others getting 6 stages instead of the usual 5 in DW5, but then again, so did Dian Wei, Sun Ce and I think Guan Yu. Guan Yu makes perfect sense why he would get 6. Xiahou Dun? Not to much. Even LESS sense on Sun Ce and Dian Wei.

There's always been favoritism for certain characters. DW7 just makes it painfully obvious.
It's only around Dynasty Warriors 5 that I would legitimately start saying Xiahou Dun was being promoted as the poster boy of Wei. Before that, Cao Cao was definitely the main representative. Xiahou Dun can now stand completely independent of Cao Cao.

Before that, he was always someone fans might have pointed to as important looking simple because, hey, he has fuggin eyepatch, but it was only in Dynasty Warriors 5 that they really started pushing his rivalry with Guan Yu, and thus in turn opened up the promotion of him being Wei's 'top guy'.
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:44 am
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Still, I prefer Xiahou Yuan over Dun. Personality, character, career (even his untimely end), all scream more interesting to me than a guy that ate his eye and then does relatively little besides throws a tantrum and chases Guan Yu through a few gates.
For some reason the way you put that just make me crack up.

Xiahou Dun is among my top 5 Wei characters, but even I had to admit it's a little overboard. Like someone said it's as if DW7 is the one where Koei finally and officially milked their personal faves.

Though I gotta give them credit. Sun Quan at least finally does SOMETHING. Poor Quan, he's been in Jian's and Ce's shadow for far too long.
I was in favor of more Sun Quan before this game, though now it means he's almost hijacked Wu's story all to himself. Would make sense to, yes, but at least now we're not having Sun Jian shoved down our throats as much.

I see Xiahou Dun's appear, not so much Sun Jian's. I respect him for technically getting the ball rolling but I don't see him as the one, true Leader of Wu that Koei has promoted a few times now.

@WhiteHorse- Yeah, I think that's where it started as well. DW4's Posterboy for Wei was DEFINITELY Cao Cao, though. Not going to deny that. The guy carries a lot of influence.
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last post for tonight.

It is good that Quan finally got some attention but in the game he got TOO much attention. Not to mention he shows up at YTR when he's a mere toddler of 2.

The openings were a little more rounded of the kingdoms until about dw5 I would say.
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Sun Jian is too sexy (no homo :p ) to be denied.

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Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:51 am
Sun Jian is too sexy (no homo :p ) to be denied.

Okay, I'll give you that, but only if it's DW6 and after. No, he had a sexy voice in DW4 as well, so, okay, that counts too.
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Dun's prowess may be unquestionable but his capabiliteis as leader are doubtful. But he was a good adminisrator or goverener something like that.

I feel the same for Ma Dai. He could of had bonds with Ma Chao, Zhuge Liang, and Wei Yan for sure and possibly others since he's one of those koei gives a huge extended lifespan along with quan.
I guess that is why Dun is the favorite over Yuan, (who was unquestionably a capable warrior as well) Dun fits the bill as a Hot-headed warrior perfect for a 1 vs 1000 game like this. Maybe they think Yuan isn't cool enough because he was cut in half by an old guy :s?
This is exactly right.

Since its based on the novel, XY wasoutright killed by Huang Zhong and that is a big pockmark on him. I mean, he didn't lose a duel or anything, but he also didn't get caught by an errant arrow, he got caught off guard and sliced in half... :/

On the other hand Dun while still with both eyes was able to fight off Lu Bu for several hours straight, killed the guy who took his eye out while he was busy schooling Gao Shun, and while one-eyed was still an excellent enough duelist to fight Guan Yu to a tie. And was not killed in battle.

Who sounds cooler?
When you put it that way, Dun sounds the best choice.

But, Xiahou Yuan was more skilled in Dun in multiple ways, I'm not discrediting Dun's martial skill (That is the one thing Dun has on Yuan imo), but Yuan wasn't exactly as reckless as Dun in leading, which is why he was as good as he was. Sadly, he was killed by Huang Zhong which makes him seem to be that one guy that got killed by grandpa. Yuan had a very nice achievement board to match any of Dun's (except his being in conquest/leading), I don't recall ever reading a duel with Yuan vs. anyone, but he was known to be at least decent in martial abilities, and excellent in archery.

Huang Zhong however, was a match for Guan Yu, meaning he might have been a step up above Yuan's martial skills, and in his age he had more experience as well. I do believe it was one of the first few times Yuan showed that much recklessness (and the last).

Cao Cao knew Yuan was an able leader, In the game Dun seems to be Cao Cao's right hand man, but in history (and i do believe the novel?), Yuan was.

Edit: Plus, Xiahou Yuan has the cutest smile in Wei.
Edited by YumichiHeart, Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:59 am.
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