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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v5] (SPOILERS); SPOILERS BEWARE! GAMEPLAY VIDEOS/INFO INSIDE!
Topic Started: Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:01 pm (735,290 Views)
Mitsuhide M
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Maybe they'll announce an english demo :blink: , I can dream
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:47 am
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:48 am
Just want to say the most annoying jp vas are dong Zhou, Zhang jiao, xiao qiao, ssx, Ma Dai, Bao, i cant remember there were a few more as well, now im sure someone will now quote this then make a larger english va list to counter this but then I'd only say what I'm saying is both jp and English are not perfect that's what I'm pointing out, peace out.


I could be the one that does that, but it seems to me that you are begging someone to do it, so I won't. For the record I don't think anyone thinks they are perfect just better overall I mean seriously, the majority of the English VAs aren't good, few actually fit the personality of the character and sound splendid. The orignal VAs(or Japanese VAs to most) most of the voices fit the characters and sound good, even Bao's although it comes off as annoying it fits the personality and character they were aiming for.
I'm not begging no one to do anything I just know how people are on this forum since I'm usually misunderstood on this forum, I figured forewarning people on what they would say so they won't waste their time. Someone literally said all the Japanese voices match perfectly hell some people think it would be best not to include English period not knowing that people would think it's dumb mainly if they are new to the series.

Actually what I said earlier is an opinion because I just don't think the japanese voices being perfect. Example I know they nailed dong Zhou on sounding very creepy and evil with his Japanese voice but it's annoying it honestly is. Let me end it with that's my opinion.
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Baphomet
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No reasoning with Weaboos I'm afraid. I hear what you're saying and agree with you but too many people here are beyond hope in this argument and incredibly closed minded to accept that it's merely an opinion from both sides and not infallible fact.
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JustMax
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So I take it there's no news on the JP voice options?
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aliebeth
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:21 pm
No reasoning with Weaboos I'm afraid. I hear what you're saying and agree with you but too many people here are beyond hope in this argument and incredibly closed minded to accept that it's merely an opinion from both sides and not infallible fact.
Liking the Japanese voices better does not make somebody a "weeaboo". Am I a weeaboo for preferring to watch foreign films in their original language with subtitles, even when there is a dub track available? Certainly not! The emotion and original intentions of characters and dialogue are easily lost in localization efforts. Same issue going on here with DW7.

Anyway, on topic. I am actually warming up to Cai Wenji's harp moveset. It looks fun and has decent range. Her musou (I've only seen the one), however, looks kinda lame.
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:51 pm
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:21 pm
No reasoning with Weaboos I'm afraid. I hear what you're saying and agree with you but too many people here are beyond hope in this argument and incredibly closed minded to accept that it's merely an opinion from both sides and not infallible fact.
Liking the Japanese voices better does not make somebody a "weeaboo". Am I a weeaboo for preferring to watch foreign films in their original language with subtitles, even when there is a dub track available? Certainly not! The emotion and original intentions of characters and dialogue are easily lost in localization efforts. Same issue going on here with DW7.

Anyway, on topic. I am actually warming up to Cai Wenji's harp moveset. It looks fun and has decent range. Her musou (I've only seen the one), however, looks kinda lame.
I don't think that's what they're trying to say, they're trying to say that people saying without doubt and screaming that the Japanese voices are obviously superior in every way.

Its one thing to say you think they're better, its another to scream it like its a fact and say we don't need English voices.

Personally I find the DW7 En Voices to be just fine, some of the actors irk me but some of them I find quite pleasing and they do a really good job. To each their own I guess.
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What Shadow said.

There's only one objectively bad performance in the dub as far as acting quality goes and it's Deng Ai. At most you may feel a voice doesn't fit a character in the dub but the performance itself isn't bad. English voice acting has come a very long way since the 90s people.

Folks are too eager to write things off these days.
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Well this place certainly has become a ghost town i guess with all the changes being made i will stick around there's just 3 weeks to go i've got Warriors Orochi to keep me busy with it's achievements.

I wonder how much DLC there will be over the period of the year.
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I suppose it's understandable. Lots of people left once all the characters / news was revealed and don't want spoilers for when they get the game. Then there are others who have the game and are off playing it more than getting excited for it and discussing things here.

Even though I have the game, I have probably spent more time reading stuff / answering questions here / elsewhere about it than actually playing, considering I haven't touched the game since Sunday :hehe: .
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:05 pm

Its one thing to say you think they're better, its another to scream it like its a fact and say we don't need English voices.


There's a hint of hypocrisy in that statement when your friend here does the exact same via stating: "
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There's only one objectively bad performance in the dub as far as acting quality goes and it's Deng Ai. At most you may feel a voice doesn't fit a character in the dub but the performance itself isn't bad. English voice acting has come a very long way since the 90s people.

Folks are too eager to write things off these days.
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And not criticising him doing the same.

Baphomet: And what IS this "objective" criteria for called for criticism exactly? Too often have I seen people take objectivity into the equation out of their asses. Either you admit you're talking about opinions as well or you're making Shadowclaimer look like a hypocrite for not criticising you for doing the same.
Furthemore it's pretty obvious you think everyone who prefers the Japanese audio is a weaboo in your opinion. Or are you willing to say you're sorry for making it seem like you were calling everyone with said preference a weaboo?

Lots of issues can be resolved via proper communication and choosing your words carefully.
Though I admit that the "no English voice option thing" is too drastic, but seeing as how English isn't my first language to begin with, I'm used to reading subtitles even with English audio, unlike most of you native English speakers.
Edited by JustMax, Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:07 pm.
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:10 pm
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:47 am
Reverie
Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:48 am
Just want to say the most annoying jp vas are dong Zhou, Zhang jiao, xiao qiao, ssx, Ma Dai, Bao, i cant remember there were a few more as well, now im sure someone will now quote this then make a larger english va list to counter this but then I'd only say what I'm saying is both jp and English are not perfect that's what I'm pointing out, peace out.


I could be the one that does that, but it seems to me that you are begging someone to do it, so I won't. For the record I don't think anyone thinks they are perfect just better overall I mean seriously, the majority of the English VAs aren't good, few actually fit the personality of the character and sound splendid. The orignal VAs(or Japanese VAs to most) most of the voices fit the characters and sound good, even Bao's although it comes off as annoying it fits the personality and character they were aiming for.
I'm not begging no one to do anything I just know how people are on this forum since I'm usually misunderstood on this forum, I figured forewarning people on what they would say so they won't waste their time. Someone literally said all the Japanese voices match perfectly hell some people think it would be best not to include English period not knowing that people would think it's dumb mainly if they are new to the series.

Actually what I said earlier is an opinion because I just don't think the japanese voices being perfect. Example I know they nailed dong Zhou on sounding very creepy and evil with his Japanese voice but it's annoying it honestly is. Let me end it with that's my opinion.
I wasn't trying to force my opinion on you, I was really trying to clear up that annoying isn't the same thing is bad, which people tend to use both in the same way.

And I wonder why no one jumps on the guy who exaggerates that the english voices are sooo amazing and shoots down the japanese voices, this may be unnecessary but I felt someone had to say it.
Edited by QZW, Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:25 pm.
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:05 pm
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:05 pm

Its one thing to say you think they're better, its another to scream it like its a fact and say we don't need English voices.


There's a hint of hypocrisy in that statement when your friend here does the exact same via stating: "
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There's only one objectively bad performance in the dub as far as acting quality goes and it's Deng Ai. At most you may feel a voice doesn't fit a character in the dub but the performance itself isn't bad. English voice acting has come a very long way since the 90s people.

Folks are too eager to write things off these days.
"

And not criticising him doing the same.

Baphomet: And what IS this "objective" criteria for called for criticism exactly? Too often have I seen people take objectivity into the equation out of their asses. Either you admit you're talking about opinions as well or you're making Shadowclaimer look like a hypocrite for not criticising you for doing the same.
Furthemore it's pretty obvious you think everyone who prefers the Japanese audio is a weaboo in your opinion. Or are you willing to say you're sorry for making it seem like you were calling everyone with said preference a weaboo?

Lots of issues can be resolved via proper communication and choosing your words carefully.
Though I admit that the "no English voice option thing" is too drastic, but seeing as how English isn't my first language to begin with, I'm used to reading subtitles even with English audio, unlike most of you native English speakers.
Whoah there...

Have you actually honestly listened to the quality in the actor's performance for Deng Ai in the dub? It's 4kids 90's English dub quality acting. It's really strange because everyone else is played just fine. Sure some voice changes throw some off but no one is actually acted poorly aside from him.

Unless it's some very questionable purposeful directing on the the voice director's part it's more than fair to call this in to question here. It makes about as much sense as Okuni's SW1 English Dub performance which was objectively bad. It was someone literally reading their lines and not emoting at all during said performance. Literally no one will defend SW1 Dub Okuni nor call it good be it pro or anti-dub crowds. It's an objectively bad performance. Whether it's purposeful or not for "characterization" we'll never know for sure but it doesn't change the fact that the acting was poor in a bit of an isolated case which this also is.

I've also made a point in previous posts on this issue that it's completely fine to want both voice tracks in the game and folks are perfectly entitled to listen to whichever they choose but it's the people that flat out say ALL ENGLISH VOICE ACTING IS BAD AND INFERIOR that are the issue here.

Way to fly off the handle and lash out. Bonus points for never reading any of my other posts on this subject too which have been in a number of these DW7 threads when the subject came up.
Edited by Baphomet, Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:41 pm.
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wow, amazing, i cried a little when Tsao Tsao Died, it was just so emotional , expecially when Xiahou Dun reacted
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:39 pm
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:05 pm
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:05 pm

Its one thing to say you think they're better, its another to scream it like its a fact and say we don't need English voices.


There's a hint of hypocrisy in that statement when your friend here does the exact same via stating: "
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There's only one objectively bad performance in the dub as far as acting quality goes and it's Deng Ai. At most you may feel a voice doesn't fit a character in the dub but the performance itself isn't bad. English voice acting has come a very long way since the 90s people.

Folks are too eager to write things off these days.
"

And not criticising him doing the same.

Baphomet: And what IS this "objective" criteria for called for criticism exactly? Too often have I seen people take objectivity into the equation out of their asses. Either you admit you're talking about opinions as well or you're making Shadowclaimer look like a hypocrite for not criticising you for doing the same.
Furthemore it's pretty obvious you think everyone who prefers the Japanese audio is a weaboo in your opinion. Or are you willing to say you're sorry for making it seem like you were calling everyone with said preference a weaboo?

Lots of issues can be resolved via proper communication and choosing your words carefully.
Though I admit that the "no English voice option thing" is too drastic, but seeing as how English isn't my first language to begin with, I'm used to reading subtitles even with English audio, unlike most of you native English speakers.
Whoah there...

Have you actually honestly listened to the quality in the actor's performance for Deng Ai in the dub? It's 4kids 90's English dub quality acting. It's really strange because everyone else is played just fine. Sure some voice changes throw some off but no one is actually acted poorly aside from him.

Unless it's some very questionable purposeful directing on the the voice director's part it's more than fair to call this in to question here. It makes about as much sense as Okuni's SW1 English Dub performance which was objectively bad. It was someone literally reading their lines and not emoting at all during said performance. Literally no one will defend SW1 Dub Okuni nor call it good be it pro or anti-dub crowds. It's an objectively bad performance. Whether it's purposeful or not for "characterization" we'll never know for sure but it doesn't change the fact that the acting was poor in a bit of an isolated case which this also is.

I've also made a point in previous posts on this issue that it's completely fine to want both voice tracks in the game and folks are perfectly entitled to listen to whichever they choose but it's the people that flat out say ALL ENGLISH VOICE ACTING IS BAD AND INFERIOR that are the issue here.

Way to fly off the handle and lash out. Bonus points for never reading any of my other posts on this subject too which have been in a number of these DW7 threads when the subject came up.
I agree with you on Deng Ai, if it wasn't clear. I'm asking what the "objectivity" is you're using, what's the criteria, what's the scale? If there's an objective way of deciding which voices suck the most, then there should be rules. Are you honestly telling me you're the one deciding those rules?
Honestly I don't like the English voices SAVE FOR A FEW. I'm not taking objectivity at all into the equation because you can't decide what voices you, personally, like if you're being objective.

You do realise that this topic is over 400 pages right? How the hell am I supposed to find your other posts in this topic? If honestly you AREN'T calling the people weaboos for liking the Japanese voices better, then you should have worded it better where you said "no reasoning with weaboos". Because that looks like you're just calling the opposition weaboos. Since it's not realistic to assume that another person new to this topic would have gone through 400 pages, you can kindly correct the misunderstanding. Because honestly when you just say weaboos without referring to someone specific originally it does look like you're calling everyone weaboos. But you cleared it up so I understand what you mean. And I thank you for that.

Honestly I think the English voice acting IS bad for the most part and looking at the number of how many actually fit the characters in both English and Japanese; I'd say the English voice acting is inferior. Still doesn't make me a weaboo. Nor am I stating this as objective nor a fact, it's my opinion.
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Ugh, I'm so sick of this guy who does Huang Gai, he's terrible. They keep the bad actors and the good ones don't return.
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Koei have just announced on twitter what we have all known for a while now, a one week delay across Europe. Not just the UK apparently, and no reason given for it
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http://www.tecmokoei-europe.com/news/?id=34631

There's the announcement of the delay. Ahh well it's only a week :)
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:49 pm
Ugh, I'm so sick of this guy who does Huang Gai, he's terrible. They keep the bad actors and the good ones don't return.
I actually quite like him! :P Anyone know if he is returning to narrate again?
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:54 pm
http://www.tecmokoei-europe.com/news/?id=34631

There's the announcement of the delay. Ahh well it's only a week :)
not a peep about why though.

I don't care it's delayed, so long as they tell me why they're delaying it.

I'm sure there's a reason, but without disclosure myself (and many many people here) will imagine incorrect reasons and sprout them as the gods honest truth.

Damn. Well. A week more to wait.

*sits, looking at his watch. counting the seconds*
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11 days, can't wait, atleast Tomb Raider Trilogy will keep me occupied till then [lol, it comes out on the original DW7 date]
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Man, I can't believe they delayed again for you guys and without a reason too. I can only say its because the event that took place recently, but man that one more week might be torture for some. I can only pray for no more date changes, because my spring break is almost over and no DW to enjoy until the 29th(hopefully), its gonna be long week for me...........
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damn i cant wait to play this game but i have no friends that play this game and if they do they dont have a ps3 . . . .
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this delays are retarded seriously -.-
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:16 pm
this delays are retarded seriously -.-
It's just another week. You'll live.

Things could be a lot worse. When things are as bad as they are in Japan, a game being delayed by a week seems somewhat insignificant don't you think?
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:54 pm
http://www.tecmokoei-europe.com/news/?id=34631

There's the announcement of the delay. Ahh well it's only a week :)
not a peep about why though.

I don't care it's delayed, so long as they tell me why they're delaying it.

I'm sure there's a reason, but without disclosure myself (and many many people here) will imagine incorrect reasons and sprout them as the gods honest truth.

Damn. Well. A week more to wait.

*sits, looking at his watch. counting the seconds*
Indeed... Though I'll take everything with a grain of salt, it still would be nice to get the reasons before it blows out of proportions with speculation.


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Things could be a lot worse. When things are as bad as they are in Japan, a game being delayed by a week seems somewhat insignificant don't you think?

This is very true.
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