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| Joetri10 | Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:10 am Post #10676 |
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Don't Even Pray For Me, No!
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Two Words.. Panty Shots..
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| Frayling0 | Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:34 am Post #10677 |
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Han's Unifier
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Thanks, that pretty much sums up what I was trying to say (just makes more sense than what I wrote haha). Guys, you can deny it as much as you want, but even if everyone had gotten screen time, we'd still witness complaints about the AMOUNT of screen time. If it's not one thing, it's another thing. At the end of the day Da Qiao and Xiao Qiao weren't anywhere near the battlefield in history, and have very little relevance historically. (I know that's the hard line, but even their descriptions in-game suggest they don't like fighting) I kind of agree that certain females (e.g Xing Cai, who they've hyped to be a warrior type woman) could have been slotted in. As for the death scenes, contemporary Three Kingdoms China was a very different place to modern society. If you look at it like you view today, you'd expect the wife to be there, mourning the loss of their husband, but think again. Half of these marriages were either political or for male convenience. But as I said, no one will ever truly be happy. First you want a few seconds in a cut scene, next you'll be wanting 5 stages and several movies. Once again, where does the line stop? Koei have tried to focus on those most relevant for Kingdom, and yes, they've got it wrong in some ways (e.g Fan Castle Wei side) but in the main, they've stuck to the most influential figures. For more obscure side characters, they've given EVERYONE at least 2 stages in Conquest Mode. Just because a character doesn't get a CG movie (and in my mind, it's debatable whether they deserve one), they still get 'screen time' in the form of 2 or more UNIQUE battles designed for them. |
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| Majushi | Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:50 am Post #10678 |
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I think the problem is that the larger your fanbase gets, the ever increasingly impossible it is to please everyone. I myself am a huge Ma Chao fan, but you don't see me running around complaining about his lack of face-time. I get over it, because it's just a game. A well made, artisticly stylish game with new features they're trying out. Some will work. Some won't. Point is; if you want to try the game buy it. If not then don't. You have a right to voice concerns, but don't treat people who argue against you like they're wrong. They just have a different opinion. I for one can't wait till the europe release. Me likes what me sees. |
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| Daikyō | Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:53 am Post #10679 |
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okay seriously this is the first time i had an opposite argument with you ![]() it's not like i'm understand the story or not, because i never read the novel or read china history, but it's because Koei not treat some characters right, like my post before i can understand some female characters not being playable due the historical relevance or whatever is that, but is that hard to just make them appear just for a second in the story? but yeah however it's all back on each own opinion, personally for me it's because i'm the Qiaos and some females characters fans, that's why i felt angry when i knew they not mentioned at all in story mode,, and for me i guess it's normal..
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| Frayling0 | Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:18 am Post #10680 |
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Han's Unifier
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Not sure if this was aimed at me, but: - My core point is that there will always be a small group of fans unhappy with 'screen time' or 'focus' or whatever. It's just a fact of life. Whether Da Qiao (sorry, keep using her as an example!) had featured in a cut scene for a short amount of time, or hadn't appeared at all (like she did) someone would complain that she didn't get enough 'screen time' (regardless of what some users are saying). She achieved very little historically - and thus Koei stuck with those that did, most likely to cut development time and streamline the game somewhat. Right from the start they made it clear that 7 would follow a more historic path. In current climate, I think that's completely understandable. And yes, I understand others have different opinions, I'm just trying to help them understand WHY their favourite female characters didn't get much focus. As I said before, characters like the Qiao's still get TWO unique legend stages. It's not as if Koei shafted them completely ala 6. |
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| Yuqi | Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:20 am Post #10681 |
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Han's Unifier
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To give every character screentime, they would have to cut something else. I dont even want to think about animating a cutscene with that many characters, with a limited timespan. Makes me go weak at the knees. Its not as simple as it seems to make a cutscene. Everything must be built ground up, first story board, second spending hours messign around with nodes, polygons, putting in the skeleton making sure every join moves at its mathimatical point, then after all that there is batch rendering testing out the colours how they work on different formats,how to make it look best for its files size, making modifications to fit a specific filesize. Not forgetting making the thing move, second by second frame by frame.. Still complainign about such and such getting no movie or w/e? come to my work, and Iguarentte after slaving away for hours,little sleep, constant modifications. Thinkyou have finally finished then some idiot in post production bitches about a little thing,they send it back to you and you have to start from scratch, you wont give a toss about cutting a character. The ultimate truth is this: We do what they are willing to pay us for,what we can fit into our deadlines. To put it into perspective you have 3 different rocks, you need to make something out of them within tan hour, but one of thos e rocks is not working out.you have half an hour left. You can spend time fiddaling around with the rock that is not working out, and fail your deadline, or sacrifice the rock which is not working out. To make somethign with the two that are. Edited by Yuqi, Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:30 am.
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| Majushi | Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:32 am Post #10682 |
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It wasn't aimed at anyone specific. I've just read the last twenty-odd pages of complaints about things that are all very subjective depending on individual tastes and thought that people were loosing track of some points. For what it's worth I agree with both your points. Edited by Majushi, Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:34 am.
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| lArchl | Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:42 am Post #10683 |
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The Australian Eb Games website still has Dynasty Warriors 7 (PS3) set on 31/03/2011 as a release date but everywhere else its the 14th of April. So which one is correct? =/ |
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| Frayling0 | Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:51 am Post #10684 |
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Ok, sorry, I jumped the gun XD But yes... I just posted what I think is an interesting post in the 'characters without cutscenes' thread. Basically: as much as I love some of the female cast, I don't agree with shoehorning them into cutscenes for the sake of them being there. They're worth more than that in my opinion, and I think Legend Stages give them a lot more development wise than a silent appearance in a cut scene. |
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| Yuqi | Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:51 am Post #10685 |
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Sigh if you had read the previous page, you would know. Sigh I bug my contact alot to find this stuff out T-T But Here I will post it here again for you
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| JustMax | Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:03 pm Post #10686 |
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When most of the arguments consist of "why would I use it because I don't understand it" and "only weaboos want them" coming almost only from native English speakers I really think it isn't unfair. |
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| Reverie | Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:27 pm Post #10687 |
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Lmao this is becoming retarded see I try to keep my complaints I'n complaint thread but then someone goes running their mouth I'n there "Like why you complaining about such and such." Idk...it's a complaint what we suppose to be like DW 7 is perfect. Ima admit I'm hard headed with this game but honestly everyone who keeps defending these points are hard headed because damn it the only and I mean only excuse should be time, money could be a possibility everything else is BS, hence I'd actually stop bringing points up if y'all notice it was time and also take time to know if we actually understood what is going on, I do but it didn't change anything I decided to wait for my friend to get the Japanese version. What would they be sacrificing by not giving players 5 stages I'n kingdom mode and just give then 2 I mean must I really say this again. There literally is no right or wrong assuming because those that try to make the complaints seem pointless which they are very noticeable things, y'all go off and start saying it's idiotic which I digg the honesty but I do laugh at the fact y'all think that will end stuff, like lol which is why I laugh a lot of the people who go on assuming all people who complaining don't know this and that I did take time to understand some disturbing things that remain disturbing after understanding them. Hey does any have cao Ren gameplay, I don't think he was I'n the video thread, figured most viewed thread someone might know. |
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| Frayling0 | Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:34 pm Post #10688 |
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Han's Unifier
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@Reverie: No one said it was 'idiotic', they just put across their opinions and explanations. No offence but I can barely understand half of what you just said. |
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| JustMax | Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:35 pm Post #10689 |
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It's basic in arguments. When people start running out of things to say and realise that you can't really refute the things they start calling them idiotic. Not realising that by throwing the first stone they're no better; ironic, huh?
Actually they did. Mister "I'm not responding to you anymore" did just that:
With this he's basically saying you can't have complaints without buying something first. So apparently I can't complain about the iPhone not being to my liking when I tried it and finding my other phone better due to me not owning an iPhone. Awesome logic, right?
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| Viajeras | Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:37 pm Post #10690 |
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I don't know, you guys. I'm also in the camp of being pretty upset about some characters not getting screen time. I mean, there are some instances where it just doesn't make sense for characters to not get their spotlight. For example, my biggest pet peeve is how Xu Huang could have easily been playable for all or at least half of Fan Castle yet Xiahou Dun, who is already hogging the spotlight by having five of his own playable stages, is playable during that entire battle instead. I'm sorry, but Xiahou Dun should NOT have been the playable character during Fan Castle, especially when he already had three other stages for himself. That spot should have gone to a couple of characters who, in previous games, were known for that battle - aka Xu Huang and Cao Ren. Hell, Xu Huang's bio on the official english sites even makes mention of his efforts at Fan Castle, specifically. So I have to wonder what was Koei thinking when they made this decision. I know complaining about it now won't do much considering the game is released and nothing will change. However, to those of us saying that we should be happy with the game, I think we have a right to voice our opinions about what we are not happy with so far. At this point I will still buy the game because there are many other parts of it I'm looking forward to, but we'll see whether or not it truly does make up for all of the shortcomings of DW6. That will obviously differ from person to person, but I can't say a thing until I've actually had the chance to play it. And when I have, I'll come back here and post my feelings on the matter. Anyway, I already have posted this exact complaint in the complaint thread and the thread about characters without cutscenes, but because of the debate going on here, I wanted to add in my two cents as well. |
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| Majushi | Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:55 pm Post #10691 |
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For what it's worth I totally agree. |
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| Frayling0 | Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:01 pm Post #10692 |
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I also agree about Fan Castle, and did specifically single that stage out as an exception to my original argument. I do understand the logic in Xu Huang and Cao Ren having Fan Castle, Xiahou Dun having both parts seem slightly random (when he isn't even specifically mentioned as a Commander or important officer in records of Fancheng.) Ideally, in my opinion, Pang De would have had a part, but that opportunity has passed. In short: Fan Castle is the exception to my argument. |
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| ThreeKingdomsWarrior | Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:33 pm Post #10693 |
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Anybody already answered that question, if we are able to copy DW7-data on a USB-stick and transport it to another PS3 from a friend, to play with all unlocked features and such? |
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| Lady Succubus | Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:36 pm Post #10694 |
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wait going back to the cutscene thing, surely if the qiaos had been there they probably wouldnt have even said anything as outside their own story modes very few women in DW and SW do. and as for kingdom mode eh, i think they just put their two fave characters (zhao yun and xiahou dun) into the spotlight and shafted everyone else because arent they like the japanese fans favourite characters? |
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| Jason-Voorhees | Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:37 pm Post #10695 |
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When There is no More Room in Hell, The Dead Shall Walk The Earth
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I could be playing DW 7 in two hours if it wasn't delayed ,,,,damn delays |
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| Frayling0 | Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:41 pm Post #10696 |
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Or maybe it's the fact that Zhao Yun and Xiaohou Dun actually took part in battles and were very influential in Ancient Chinese History while the Qiao's did very little, achieved very little, and we have very little recorded about them. Looks like they're the ones in the game for fanservice, eh. Read back through mine and others previous posts. Our points are better explained there. |
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| Lady Succubus | Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:01 pm Post #10697 |
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im not saying that the qiaos should be in battles, im not talking about them in fact i was agreeing with you that thet should of put in some other people (NOT the qiaos BUT cao ren) for example into fan castle. sorry if it wasnt clear to you in the first place |
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| Frayling0 | Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:04 pm Post #10698 |
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Ok, sorry if I misunderstood too, if you're specifically referring to Fan Castle, I completely agree. But as for certain female characters, I've already said I think it's more of an injustice to them to shoehorn them into cut scenes where they don't even speak than leaving them out entirely. |
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| Joetri10 | Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:30 pm Post #10699 |
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Don't Even Pray For Me, No!
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Xiao Qiao should be shown in a clip of Chi Bi Da Qiao should be shown at Sun Ce's death (assuming there is one) Zhen Ji should be shown at the end of Guan Du when Cao Cao captures her or something similer to that with Cao Pi Diao Chan should be shown in a cutscene assassinating Dong Zhou Yue Ying should be shown alongside Zhuge Liang sometime in the battle of Wu Plains SSX i know is playable and Zhu Rong should be shown alongside Meng Huo when Shu Goes for Nanman post battle.. Those are just my personal opinions and i can’t actually remember if any of these were shown/playable or not... Those places would just make the most sense to me.. ...(Note, i dont know much about the new females and Bao is the only one i care about and i know shes shown) |
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| Daikyō | Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:47 pm Post #10700 |
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This ^ i'm agree with you.. ![]() btw from Koei Facebook: "We're preparing the English screens of Dynasty Warriors 7 (Story Mode), it will go live this evening. Stay tuned!" |
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