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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v5] (SPOILERS); SPOILERS BEWARE! GAMEPLAY VIDEOS/INFO INSIDE!
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mogwaimon
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Xalfrea
Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:43 am
So wait...people pay attention to tiers in DW now?

Never was a fan of them in general, that's why I support this classic vid. But like what was said in the complaints thread, at least there isn't actual competitive play here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR6sxFBm1P8
Haha, I remember that video...Funny stuff.

Also, people have been tiering characters since at least Warriors Orochi, at least on the GameFAQs board. But it's like...what's the point? Sure, there is an undeniable difference between a character like Yoshimoto and a character like Tadakatsu, but these games have never been competitive so who cares? Even then the basis of a tier system was originally intended to rank characters based on how many tournaments they were winning, and eventually evolved to rank characters based on their good/bad matchups. Even then 'top tier' characters can have trouble against a low-tier character, like in Marvel Vs Capcom 2 Megaman is considered a low-tier character, but he can be used in high level play because he gives Magneto, one of the god-tier characters, a ton of trouble.

Tiers aren't supposed to be the end-all be-all character ranking that some people make it out to be, nor are they supposed to be used to say 'Oh, my character is better than your crappy low tier character, I win automatically and you suck'. It's just some people take it and run with it, and come off as asses.

But anyways, again....because the Musou games are not intended for competitive versus play in any serious manner, tiers are practically worthless. Just play the game however you like!
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Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:55 am
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Whitewolf76969
Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:45 pm
Just when i thought they were gonna make LU bu the only 3 star halberd user. i get to the bottom of the list and xiahou ba can. odd
The new characters are given some mary sue esque introductions.

Xiahou Ba as skilled as Lu Bu with a Halberd. Guan Suo having a ridiculously high number of 3 star weapon compatibility (More than his dad who has 30+ years of experience?!)

Oh well, the 'new car smell' from them will wear off by DW8 and then they'll be brought down to 'meh' levels. :hehe:
Though think of poor Guo Huai and Deng Ai, two personal favourite newcomers of mine, being stuck down at the bottom. Seems they always love the pretty ones more...
Ohhh yeah. For Guo Huai's frail self I can understand.

But for Deng Ai I cannot.
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Tiers are there whether you like them or not, especially in Musou/KOEI games. Yoshimoto is always going to have a harder time on Chaos mode than Diao Chan or Kunoichi in Orochi 1, and no amount of level grinding or weapon fusion will change that. On the other hand, Ling Tong had unparalleled offense against officers in Strikeforce 1 due to his command attack having a guard break property on it, but he still struggled against the giant enemies without switching to another weapon. All of their games are glaringly unbalanced in some form, even the ones that give the player more control over what they bring into each battle like the Orochi and Strikeforce series.

With that said, it seems like this game's tiers will revolve around the moveset more than anything, since the stars become a moot point if you want it to be. Weapon combos might also be a factor for those who don't intend on using a single weapon on every character.
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ChibiGingi
Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:17 am
Yunchan
Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:10 am
can you please confirm the absence of Cow Cow and Cow Pee? thanks <.<
I thought they'd been gone since Warriors Orochi? At least to my knowledge.

While I'm happy to know that they are using more correct pronunciations, I have a feeling it'll take some getting use to for me. Now I know why my coworker looked at me funny when I said "Zhang" instead of pronouncing it "Zhong".
I've always pronounced it like Jang..
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Yuqi
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I have seen it my contact showed me, E.B warehouse indeed has DW7. Apparently those who pre-ordered get it on the 31st defiantly. She was unsure of non-pre orders though. Oh well I still got to touch the A.U version.
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H'siao_Ch'iao
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Do the weapons have 6 s-strings or just the 4 attacks?
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The Demon King
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Some english names for seals here.

Max Health Up
Attack Up
Defense Up
Walking Speed Up
Skill Points Up
Seal Master
Friendship is now Congeniality

I'll post more when I unlock them.
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I've been to a KOEIless Memorabillia today which wasn't what i expected it to be but asked Chin about why they were absent and why EU got an extra week delay and this is what he told me

"1. cause we have so many titles coming and been really busy working and didnt have time to prepare for Memorabilia after the Midlands.

2. US one supposed to be next week but some dodgy retailers shipped it out quick I believe if u preorder ...it it might have the same thing happened in UK as well. And we're working on the DLC as well with the metadata in all European languages also the game that's what I can tell."
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WhiteHorseRide
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Tiers are awesome when my favorite characters do well!

When they don't! I snub them and pretend not to care.


Lol. ( ;) )


This time, I feel happy because Xu Huang can become absolutely broken. I should have started maining Xu Huang long ago as he's been high tier or just below it in every game, even going back to his first ever appearance in DW3 (with his 4th weapon.).
Edited by WhiteHorseRide, Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:06 am.
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Zhou Tai is already looking high tier with his katana moveset...............
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I'm not convinced yet.

He has one flashy charge and one flashy musou that seems like its blitzing really fast but in truth as with a lot of other musous ends quickly and doesn't hit as many times as it actually seems like it is.
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Without intelligent use of jump canceling, it seems like the length of a character's musou will play a huge part in determining if they're worth using in the long run or not. Officers can't be knocked out of their musou anymore, so a popular method of dealing with them is simply using a musou that's active longer than theirs is, although jump canceling is naturally the more cost-effective method. This also renders some of the grab musous like Ling Tong's relatively useless in that situation unless the player manages to grab onto a peon during an officer's musou.
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CITY BATTLE NAMES AND INFO

Battle for Ji Province
Difficulty: 2 stars
Reward: 300
Description: An officer is protecting Ji with the help of some elite soldiers. Defeat them and free the province!

Battle for Bing Province
Difficulty: 3 stars
Reward: 500
Description: An officer and his friends are defending Bing together. Overcome their teamwork and free the province!

Battle for Si Province
Difficulty: 4 stars
Reward: 700
Description: The rulers of the new age are defending Si. Defeat them and free the province!

Battle for Qing Province
Difficulty: 4 stars
Reward: 1200
Description: The defender of Qing demands a one-on-one battle. Defeat him and free the province!

Battle for Yan Province
Difficulty: 5 stars
Reward: 1400
Description: An officer skilled with the bow & arrow is protecting Yan. Avoid the sea of arrows and free the province!

Battle for Yu Province
Difficulty: 6 stars
Reward: 1600
Description: A strong, proud officer is protecting Yu. Defeat him and free the province!

Battle for Xu Province
Difficulty: 6 stars
Reward: 2500
Description: A solitary officer with the strength of 10,000 men is defending Xu. Defeat him and free the province!

Battle for Yong Province
Difficulty: 6 stars
Reward: 3000
Description: The fierce warriors of Wei are protecting Yong. Overcome their determined defense and free the province!

Battle for Yang Province
Difficulty: 7 stars
Reward: 4000
Description: The loyal warriors of Wu have Yang firmly within their grasp. Break their hold and free the province!

Battle for Jing Province
Difficulty: 8 stars
Reward: 5000
Description: Two officers with an iron-clad bond of trust are defneding Jing. Overcome their combined strength and free the province!

Battle for Liang Province
Difficulty: 7 stars
Reward: 6000
Description: The protector of Liang has brought reinforcements. Defeat them and free the province!

Battle for Yi Province
Difficulty: 7 stars
Reward: 7000
Description: An officer is defending Yi along with his trsuted allies. Believe in the power of your blade and free the province!

Battle for Jiao Province
Difficulty: 9 stars
Reward: 8000
Description: Two officers are defending Jiao. Defeat thier well-coordinated troops and free the province!
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Something dissapointing I noted while playing is Jia Xu is absent from Hu Lao Gate battle.

I thought he should be serving under Dong Zhuo at that time.



And ok again regarding the clone issue. The more I play the game the less angry I feel. The EX Attack and 2 unique musous per character is sufficient to differentiate the characters to make them unique.
But more can be done.


The map gets ridiculously huge in some battles, but for some it's ok.
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SJFaith
Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:02 am
I've been to a KOEIless Memorabillia today which wasn't what i expected it to be but asked Chin about why they were absent and why EU got an extra week delay and this is what he told me

"1. cause we have so many titles coming and been really busy working and didnt have time to prepare for Memorabilia after the Midlands.

2. US one supposed to be next week but some dodgy retailers shipped it out quick I believe if u preorder ...it it might have the same thing happened in UK as well. And we're working on the DLC as well with the metadata in all European languages also the game that's what I can tell."
I love dodgy retailers XD
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The Demon King
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I live in a neighborhood where the closest gamestop is around 30 blocks away. So sometimes I depend on mom and pop video game stores for my games. I know its not right to sell the game early but they did.
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Tycho
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Dynasty Warriors isn't a blockbuster franchise, I don't think much retailers care that much.
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Yea, I'm still a little disappointed with clones, but I think Koei is still experimenting to see how they can improve upon the classic gameplay so that more people can enjoy the game, without it being labeled by the mainstream as suck. I think the dual weapon system is good though, haven't played it yet but it still sounds good IMO. I think in DW8 they should give each character a completely unique moveset with at least one weapon type.

Example, say I have Xiahou Dun with Scimitar/Bo staff. He'd have a completely unique moveset with the scimitar, but the bo staff would be a generic moveset that applies to all characters. Then, I switch my Xiahou Dun to Iron Claw/Bo Staff, then he'd use generic moveset for both weapons. Then I decide to play as Zhang He and give him Iron Claw/Scimitar, he'd have his own moveset for the claws, along with a generic moveset for Scimitar.

I think it'd be an interesting way to make each character more unique, while preserving the dual weapon system's more interesting combo-ability.
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Holy crap they made Zhang Liao bad ass as HELL in the cutscenes in this game.

Iron balls man. He has iron balls. Talking about some cutscenes at Chang ban.
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The Demon King
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The english seal name for Horse Armor is Horsemanship.
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Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:02 am
Some english names for seals here.

Max Health Up
Attack Up
Defense Up
Walking Speed Up
Skill Points Up
Seal Master
Friendship is now Congeniality

I'll post more when I unlock them.
What about the various attack levels? Is it Max Health Up 1, Max Health Up 2, etc?
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Didn't Chin say it would be like Max Health Up, Max Health Up+, Max Health Up++, Max Health Up+++ ?
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First European Review for "Dynasty Warriors 7"!!!
Review score: 80%

PS3clan.nl - Dynasty Warriors 7 - Review score: 8/10 (80%)
http://ps3clan.nl/2011/03/dynasty-warriors-7-review/



(I can not speak english well)
I think, its a good Review score. Because the western reviewers are normally (usually) hate the Dynasty Warriors games.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ??




Edited by Andreas-andi, Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:15 am.
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Did I just see Dynasty Warriors and "8/10" in the SAME SENTENCE?
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Andreas-andi
Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:14 am
First European Review for "Dynasty Warriors 7"!!!
Review score: 80%

PS3clan.nl - Dynasty Warriors 7 - Review score: 8/10 (80%)
http://ps3clan.nl/2011/03/dynasty-warriors-7-review/



(I can not speak english well)
I think, its a good Review score. Because the western reviewers are normally (usually) hate the Dynasty Warriors games.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ??




Rough translation:

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Pros:
+ One of the largest in the series so far
+ Maybe even the best
+ Story Mode
+ Strategic
+ Guaranteed hours of fun ...

Cons:
- ... but only if you have discovered how cool this game is
- Annoying soundtrack
- You must brisk bite to find out why there are so many parts are made of
- No possibility to Japanese voices

Buy if:
> you are a fan of the series
> You're a Westerner to do something new
> you've never played a Dynasty Warriors game, you'd want but
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