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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v5] (SPOILERS); SPOILERS BEWARE! GAMEPLAY VIDEOS/INFO INSIDE!
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RandomGuySaysHi
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:18 am
I don't know, Ma Chao (even as a failure) was better than.. say.. King Mulu as an add.
don't forget that he is part of the original roster.... i don't think that historical importance was brought in as the most important requisite for being made a playable character.
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:02 am
I absolutely hate when people say how worthless a character is.
YES. I know Lian Shi did nothing at all to impact history, but who is too say Koei has something in store for her.

I don't go around bashing Ma Chao, or Pang De, or other fan favorites, because I understand that there may be fans of that character, and I respect them. :mellow:

Anyway Lian Shi isn't just going to be Quan's wife, she isn't one dimensional as some women end up being. She is also going to be one of SSX's maidens.
:kurokan:

It's just kind of mean when you don't even know what she'll be like. :unsure:


ANYWAY.
Cannot wait for that Wu PV.
Lian Shi and Ding Feng will most likely been shown. Seeing as they a both new characters, and both of them have weapons not seen yet.
I would suspect characters with movesets that haven't been seen yet in the PVs. Like Zhou Yu (I would like to see Yue Ying though.), and SSX. I would rather see Sun Quan at the end then either Papa Jian, or Sun Ce. Mainly since they only did foundation work. Sun Quan was the actual leader of Wu. <_<
I wouldn't be surprised to see Sun Jian, but Sun Ce is unlikely.
Unlike Lian Shi, Ma Chao and Pang De are actual Dynasty Warriors, and they actually fought on the battlefield, and risked their lives for their beloved land. Tell me thats not better than Lian Shi...

But I'm not going to start a fight. Nope.

I'll just carry on to a different topic before a whole army comes after me..... :whistle:

I hope the Wu PV shows Zhou Tai... He's one of the very few characters with a UNIQUE moveset. And same with Sun Ce and Taishi Ci.
Not only that but Ma Chao was a phenominal warrior who had Cao Cao in awe before he had him stripping down and dressing as a lowly private to run and hide from him. He wasn't that great overall, but he took the western capital and almost killed Cao Cao.

Pang De brought his coffin to battle to say he'd either win or die trying. How badass is that?

Lian Shi had sex with a guy who called her empress after she died. Cool. And her story in Koei doesn't sound that great either. IMO at least.
Do not forget Pang De's extremely epic death in the novel at Fan Castle :cool: .

It also somewhat depresses me that Ma Chao will supposedly have a small role in the game, but whatever. He is only usually the second or third most popular/favorited Shu character in polls on this website (go check them yourself if you guys don't believe me). *sigh*
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If a character doesn't have a moveset that is exclusive to him/her, than that character has no real identity in the game. All this game seems to be offering is 60+ outfits.

What are others feelings on this?

(sorry for re-post. Don't like being last on a page)
Edited by Squidlipticus, Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:27 am.
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Unlike Lian Shi, Ma Chao and Pang De are actual Dynasty Warriors, and they actually fought on the battlefield, and risked their lives for their beloved land. Tell me thats not better than Lian Shi...

But I'm not going to start a fight. Nope.

I'll just carry on to a different topic before a whole army comes after me..... :whistle:

I hope the Wu PV shows Zhou Tai... He's one of the very few characters with a UNIQUE moveset. And same with Sun Ce and Taishi Ci.
This won't be a fight, it will be a discussion. :whistle:

OF COURSE SHE DIDN'T FIGHT. She was a woman, and at the time women didn't fight. I know this, and I know it well.
Lian Shi is a perfectly fine add.

No certain character is better in the overall scheme of things.
All the characters add something the other couldn't. It builds story, and conflict. Ma Chao adds a certain aspect to the game Lian Shi can't, and vice versa. :mellow:
No.... IMO Lian Shi doesn't bring anything new to the game at all... Besides a new weapon (Crossbow) and a little bit more of a story to SSX and Quan. She's just another wife aiding her husband (in this case... sleeping partner) in war...

Ma Chao IS a better character in DW than Lian Shi. Obviously.

IMO, a good female add that would actually bring some good for the game is Ma Yunlu... She's fictional, yes... AND she is a wife to Zhou Yun, but she also has many ties to characters in the game, and she fought on the battlefield...
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http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/topic/6766554/1/#new

Finished my Conquest Mode guide, I advise anyone who has no idea what Conquest Mode is at least skim over it. I compiled all the data/information I know/can find on the subject for the sake of providing it for you guys (since a good majority of you obviously have zilch idea about Conquest Mode and want to just whine about it ;) )

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Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:23 am
If a character doesn't have a moveset that is exclusive to him/her, than that character has no real identity in the game. All this game seems to be offering is 60+ outfits.

(sorry for repost. Don't like being last on a page)
they don't have copied move sets, it like a cup (bare with me here) they all do the same thing, but they all have little differences, they not only look differently (mostly) but they contain different amounts of fluids.

im trying to say that they have differences that are not thought of at first site. <----- i'm not even using the wrong spellings for words... DARN YOU HOMOPHONES!!!

btw that is one of the worst metaphors ever....
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:23 am
If a character doesn't have a moveset that is exclusive to him/her, than that character has no real identity in the game. All this game seems to be offering is 60+ outfits.

What are others feelings on this?

(sorry for re-post. Don't like being last on a page)
Apparently personality and the role they play in the story means absolutely nothing.
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:28 am
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:23 am
If a character doesn't have a moveset that is exclusive to him/her, than that character has no real identity in the game. All this game seems to be offering is 60+ outfits.

(sorry for repost. Don't like being last on a page)
they don't have copied move sets, it like a cup (bare with me here) they all do the same thing, but they all have little differences, they not only look differently (mostly) but they contain different amounts of fluids.

im trying to say that they have differences that are not thought of at first site.

btw that is one of the worst metaphors ever....
Wow RandomGuy.... That is probably the funniest posts you've ever posted.

A character's weapon doesn't determine their identity... There's still the story, look, voice, etc etc. Simple as that.
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I give up.
I'm sticking to my opinion. :mellow:

Every character, from minor warriors like King Mulu to leaders like Cao Cao all have something to deliver in the game, all different to game.
No matter the historical importance. No matter their gender. It just doesn't matter to me.
I play the game not only for the history lesson. I play for the drama, and conflicts between characters. The relationships is a major part of the game for me. :mellow:

I also find it ignorant, and ironic how people favor a fictional female warrior Ma Yun Lu, when Bao Sanniang is also a fictional female warrior. And Bao wasn't even created by Koei. :whistle:
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If a character doesn't have a moveset that is exclusive to him/her, than that character has no real identity in the game. All this game seems to be offering is 60+ outfits.

What are others feelings on this?

(sorry for re-post. Don't like being last on a page)
Apparently personality and the role they play in the story means absolutely nothing.
Correct. 99.9% of this game is made up of mindlessly killing people. Characters having a good personality won't give this game anymore replay value.
Edited by Squidlipticus, Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:38 am.
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:33 am
I give up.
I'm sticking to my opinion. :mellow:

Every character, from minor warriors like King Mulu to leaders like Cao Cao all have something to deliver in the game, all different to game.
No matter the historical importance. No matter their gender. It just doesn't matter to me.
I play the game not only for the history lesson. I play for the drama, and conflicts between characters. The relationships is a major part of the game for me. :mellow:

I also find it ignorant, and ironic how people favor a fictional female warrior Ma Yun Lu, when Bao Sanniang is also a fictional female warrior. And Bao wasn't even created by Koei. :whistle:
Ma Yanlu is just Zhao Yun fanboys/girls and Ma Chao fanboys/girls wanting fanfic fodder ;)

Personally I think there are differences and priorities. Characters who play a larger role in the history should be granted higher priority (such as Wu's Magnificent Five) as opposed to say, Nanman generals with the least exposure in the game.

Now I'm not saying you have to add a High Priority Char first, but you should think about them before you consider inventing a character or making up a fictional one.
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:23 am
If a character doesn't have a moveset that is exclusive to him/her, than that character has no real identity in the game. All this game seems to be offering is 60+ outfits.

What are others feelings on this?

(sorry for re-post. Don't like being last on a page)
Apparently personality and the role they play in the story means absolutely nothing.
Correct. This is a game about killing thousands of dudes. Characters having a good personality won't give this game anymore replay value.
That's like saying you want to play a Final Fantasy game without back story or any relationships or personalities for characters.
Yeah you still get the gameplay, but other than that....what's the point?
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If a character doesn't have a moveset that is exclusive to him/her, than that character has no real identity in the game. All this game seems to be offering is 60+ outfits.

What are others feelings on this?

(sorry for re-post. Don't like being last on a page)
Apparently personality and the role they play in the story means absolutely nothing.
Correct. This is a game about killing thousands of dudes. Characters having a good personality won't give this game anymore replay value.
Well it would make story mode 10x better than just flipping through stupid cutscenes of dumb minded characters :D

@ShadowClaimer

This is exactly why people don't like some of the adds :)

@DancingSwan
Well everyone knows or at least mode people hate her already anyways, voice, personality, her little bio is weird too.
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If a character doesn't have a moveset that is exclusive to him/her, than that character has no real identity in the game. All this game seems to be offering is 60+ outfits.

What are others feelings on this?

(sorry for re-post. Don't like being last on a page)
Apparently personality and the role they play in the story means absolutely nothing.
Correct. This is a game about killing thousands of dudes. Characters having a good personality won't give this game anymore replay value.
And....okay? You still have plenty of weapons to choose from anyway... after a while you'd be using all of them at a certain point of time. Not to mention, stages. There may be some re-used ones, but, still. But hey, your opinion anyway, and I guess I can't say much since I don't even have the game yet. :P *will avoid all clone conversations*
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You play for the drama?

Than why would you want a nobody? They have literally 'NO' drama latched onto them compared to a somebody. Doing something leaves 'far' more room to build off for more drama compared to someone who did nothing and we have next to no real idea what they were like.

Even without playing the DW games...

Many people know who Guan Yu is, what his traits are, and what we did.

Almost no one knows who Guan Tong is, what his traits are, and what he did(not much).

Now tell me. Logically 'WHO' would be the more interesting add into a game? Guan Yu or Guan Tong?
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:23 am
If a character doesn't have a moveset that is exclusive to him/her, than that character has no real identity in the game. All this game seems to be offering is 60+ outfits.

What are others feelings on this?

(sorry for re-post. Don't like being last on a page)
Apparently personality and the role they play in the story means absolutely nothing.
Correct. This is a game about killing thousands of dudes. Characters having a good personality won't give this game anymore replay value.
That's like saying you want to play a Final Fantasy game without back story or any relationships or personalities for characters.
Yeah you still get the gameplay, but other than that....what's the point?
Final fantasy is a roleplaying game, not a hack n' slash. If 99.9% of the game didn't revolve around mindlessly killing thousands of people I would agree with you.
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Hello guys, long time no posting :)

Wow so many different characters, they all have nice designs and all look good.

So the last time I was here I thought they will go with the old time and have starter weapons and then the latter weapons will be unique but it has been confirmed to be grouped or categorised, oh well .....

But why so many of the iconic characters are being categorised with same weapons and having the same move set except for a EX attack and musous :

Zhao Yun, Ma Chao = Spear
Guan Yu, Lu Meng = Pole arm
Xiahou Dun, Cao Cao = Sword

And many more, I mean some of these people were very significant for the time, especially Guan Yu, he is worship as a God in China still today, for some of them to have no unique move set is very bad in my eyes, and another interesting point, nearly all females have unique move sets:

Zhen Ji = flute
Cai Wenji = Harp
Xing Cai = Sword and Shild

and many more, I have nothing against female what so ever but to have them unique over Cao Cao or Liu Bei, Sun Quan or even Guan Yu, it is almost a slap into the face of a real fan and those poeple themselfs :o , anyone else thinks this way?


5/12 of the women have cloned move-sets.
Not only that, there are around 60 characters in this game.
If you do the math, no if you have common sense, you'll realize more men in general means more men who have cloned move-sets. DDDDDUUUUUUUUUHHHHH :facepalm:
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EX =/= Cloned Moveset.

There are 35 different unique movesets you can put on any character. With 1190 possible combinations of weapons you can give a character. EX just means you get an extra combo step, its not required for use.

If you mix those 1190 weapon combinations across 62 characters (with 2 musous each, ignoring EX's) you'd have 73780 combinations possible.

I'm sure you can find something you like.
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:39 am
You play for the drama?

Than why would you want a nobody? They have literally 'NO' drama latched onto them compared to a somebody. Doing something leaves 'far' more room to build off for more drama compared to someone who did nothing and we have next to no real idea what they were like.

Even without playing the DW games...

Many people know who Guan Yu is, what his traits are, and what we did.

Almost no one knows who Guan Tong is, what his traits are, and what he did(not much).

Now tell me. Logically 'WHO' would be the more interesting add into a game? Guan Yu or Guan Tong?
Who are you or anyone else to say Lian Shi "is a nobody"? Do you have some sort of inside connections, or have you played the game already? /end sarcasm.

I'm not saying Lian Shi is better. Or is historically imporant. I'm not saying that for ANY of the characters.
In my opinion, characters like Bao Sanniang STILL have something add whether they did something historically or fictionally or whatever.
They will add something, and you can't deny that.

Every character is different personality-wise, and is interesting to me.
Which in turn adds conflicts like Ma Chao vs Cao Cao rivalry gets me pumped up, just as much as a Yue Ying vs Zhen Ji rivalry gets me excited.
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:44 am
EX =/= Cloned Moveset.

There are 35 different unique movesets you can put on any character. With 1190 possible combinations of weapons you can give a character. EX just means you get an extra combo step, its not required for use.

If you mix those 1190 weapon combinations across 62 characters (with 2 musous each, ignoring EX's) you'd have 73780 combinations possible.

I'm sure you can find something you like.
Despite my best efforts to complain, I feel your logic may win the day.
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 3:44 am
EX =/= Cloned Moveset.

There are 35 different unique movesets you can put on any character. With 1190 possible combinations of weapons you can give a character. EX just means you get an extra combo step, its not required for use.

If you mix those 1190 weapon combinations across 62 characters (with 2 musous each, ignoring EX's) you'd have 73780 combinations possible.

I'm sure you can find something you like.
Despite my best efforts to complain, I feel your logic may win the day.
My logic is impervious /flex
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Now you're putting words in mouth. I never sad anything about Lian Shi though compared to other adds than yeah. She's a nobody next to Guan Yu or Du Yu who drastically changed the land and had their own traits that gave them much characterization.

Lian Shi - I married Sun Quan!
Zhang Ni - I have a long military career, served in many battles(and victories)r and an interesting personality! Both Zhuge Liang and Jiang Wei highly trusted me and I corrected them when I felt that they were wrong. Hell, I even saved my comrades at the cost of my own life! I share many relationships with many prominent Generals of my time and I was believed to be one of the Greatest Shu Generals ever. Especially for the Late Era!

Koei - Lian Shi wins!

That's why fans get angry

What I'm saying is that those that did something have MUCH ,more to add than those that didn't even lift a finger. They already have a base character to work up to something amazing. While those that did nothing require MUCH liberties and granting them accomplishments they could never hope of doing in a sad attempt to try and make them appear more interesting than they are.
Edited by SazukeEX, Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:01 am.
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I give up.
I'm sticking to my opinion. :mellow:

Every character, from minor warriors like King Mulu to leaders like Cao Cao all have something to deliver in the game, all different to game.
No matter the historical importance. No matter their gender. It just doesn't matter to me.
I play the game not only for the history lesson. I play for the drama, and conflicts between characters. The relationships is a major part of the game for me. :mellow:

I also find it ignorant, and ironic how people favor a fictional female warrior Ma Yun Lu, when Bao Sanniang is also a fictional female warrior. And Bao wasn't even created by Koei. :whistle:
I understand your point. Everyone has different opinions as well as favorite characters, and I respect that. I also agree that drama and story is essential in a game, especially this one.

However, MY point is that there ARE characters that are more important than others.... No denying that. That being said, it pisses me off that KOEI would add someone like Lian Shi and Bao and exclude Pang De and new characters like Cheng Pu and Liao Hua. They are obviously better for the game because 1. They bring more to the game, story wise. 2. They actually fought on the battlefield. And 3. They were TRUE Dynasty Warriors... Meaning, they fought and risked their lives for their land.

I find it funny that you say you play for the drama, yet you don't give a crap about Pang De... Because he probably has the most dramatic story out of all the characters.

The Ma Yunlu thing is a bit bias... Because she's Ma Chao's fictional and hot sister.... And I'm a total Ma Chao fanboy... However the fact still remains that she'd be a better add than Sanniang and Shi.

EDIT: I agree with Sazuke 100%
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EX =/= Cloned Moveset.

There are 35 different unique movesets you can put on any character. With 1190 possible combinations of weapons you can give a character. EX just means you get an extra combo step, its not required for use.

If you mix those 1190 weapon combinations across 62 characters (with 2 musous each, ignoring EX's) you'd have 73780 combinations possible.

I'm sure you can find something you like.
Despite my best efforts to complain, I feel your logic may win the day.
My logic is impervious /flex
Um, not sure what you're trying to say but your numbers seem a tad too high.
Aren't there only 360 different weapon combinations or whatever? I don't know what you're adding up, but I don't think it's what most people are referring to.

Oh, and Lian Shi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All other new character adds in DW7. :whistle:
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Unlike Lian Shi, Ma Chao and Pang De are actual Dynasty Warriors, and they actually fought on the battlefield, and risked their lives for their beloved land. Tell me thats not better than Lian Shi...

But I'm not going to start a fight. Nope.

I'll just carry on to a different topic before a whole army comes after me..... :whistle:

I hope the Wu PV shows Zhou Tai... He's one of the very few characters with a UNIQUE moveset. And same with Sun Ce and Taishi Ci.
This won't be a fight, it will be a discussion. :whistle:

OF COURSE SHE DIDN'T FIGHT. She was a woman, and at the time women didn't fight. I know this, and I know it well.
Lian Shi is a perfectly fine add.

No certain character is better in the overall scheme of things.
All the characters add something the other couldn't. It builds story, and conflict. Ma Chao adds a certain aspect to the game Lian Shi can't, and vice versa. :mellow:
No.... IMO Lian Shi doesn't bring anything new to the game at all... Besides a new weapon (Crossbow) and a little bit more of a story to SSX and Quan. She's just another wife aiding her husband (in this case... sleeping partner) in war...

Ma Chao IS a better character in DW than Lian Shi. Obviously.

IMO, a good female add that would actually bring some good for the game is Ma Yunlu... She's fictional, yes... AND she is a wife to Zhou Yun, but she also has many ties to characters in the game, and she fought on the battlefield...
First Lian Shi is Sun Quan's consort. Second Sun Quan wanted to make her his principal wife but his ministers argued for Lady Xu. Quan decided to put it off because Lady Xu long lost favor with him and was sent away. Even though she wasn't empress yet the people within the palace called her so and she was greatly loved. She ended up dying and Quan regretted not making her Empress before she died. So he made her empress in her death. -_-

Its obvious why Lian Shi is in if you understand whats going on in the story. Wu will focus on Sun Quan alot this time around so why not add his favorite wife into game. For all we know Lian Shi may well be a better character in DW than Ma Chao. We don't even know all they are going to do Lian Shi or Ma Chao in DW7. Lian Shi could end up being the more interesting character easy. :sly:

You guys agrue about Bao Sanniang being fictional and want fictional Ma Yunlu, please. :rolleyes:

:sly: Lian Shi! :sly:
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