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Dynasty Warriors 7 [v5] (SPOILERS); SPOILERS BEWARE! GAMEPLAY VIDEOS/INFO INSIDE!
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WhiteHorseRide
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Sasuke, of course there were pretty much no women that were capable of war during that time, so loaded question, but women characters themselves aren't worthless. Don't want the game to be an entire sausage-fest knamsayn?

But of course, if I had to chose between Lady Wu getting added vs Cheng Pu getting added, not a shadow of doubt that it will Cheng Pu who will get my vote.
Edited by WhiteHorseRide, Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:43 am.
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Koei adds what will get them money not who's better. If they went with who's better than Lian Shi would never have gotten in. She's there to get woman gamers and to attract perverts hence her bust sizand her very revealing clothing.

Woman aren't useless in this era but in Lian Shi's case she's useless just like Bao Sanniang when compared to SSX and Zhu Rong who actually did stuff.
Edited by SazukeEX, Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:43 am.
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:41 am
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:37 am
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:12 am
You people sure know how to take the joy out of a game..seriously..With the way everyone is talking, it makes it sound like the end of the world. But, what can one expect from people who have such high expectations these days? Our generation is truly f***** xD
Trevor, stop right there buddy, it's not long ago that you were leveling your complaints about the game as well and standing up for your reason to complain as a consumer.
True, but that was then, and this is now. It is getting very tiring now seeing everyone whine & ***** every single day about the same exact things when (and here's the kicker) NO ONE HAS EVEN PLAYED THE DAMN GAME THEMSELVES!

I am not going to complain any further until I have the game in my own hands and can pass judgment myself, not from the mouths of others. We live in a very spoiled age where everyone thinks that they can get things their way if they whine & cry enough.
That was then, this is now?

It was like, last week or something.

You need to chill dude. You are always on the edge of your seat during whatever stance you are taking.

No one has to play the game to voice their displeasure about character adds that they don't like either. That has nothing to do with gameplay. However, your complaints were gameplay related and you did not play it yourself. (Not saying I disagree with your concerns, just that you need to see what you are saying.)
You done yet? :whistle: Because if you're not, we can do this all day if you'd like. Quite frankly, If you don't like what I have to say, simply add me to your ignore list & be done with it. You don't have to respond to every thing I say. If I was personally saying something against you, trust me, I would say it. I don't hold back anything for anyone.

You are under the impression that we are having some sort of 'fight' or something sir?

Because uh, most surely that's not what's happening.
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TrevorxTravesty
Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:35 am
You know the funny part, Keneticam? I write all these things with a smile on my face :) You take my words as anger, when they really aren't. But, this being the interwebs, you can't see the emotion on my face.

Anywho! No one answered my previous question about how we're gonna be able to join factions and stuff....And I thought that was a pretty good question '-_-
Well I'm very glad to hear u dont take it as seriously as i believed! :2up:

And regarding ur questions about factions, I don't believe an option to "choose" ur faction has been implemented into the game. Thats more of a CAW thing like in DW5 XL! I'm sure all the characters have a set faction they are apart of. However, the chronicle mode seems more independent than faction based like Empires, but who knows.
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WhiteHorseRide
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:41 am
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WhiteHorseRide
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True, but that was then, and this is now. It is getting very tiring now seeing everyone whine & ***** every single day about the same exact things when (and here's the kicker) NO ONE HAS EVEN PLAYED THE DAMN GAME THEMSELVES!

I am not going to complain any further until I have the game in my own hands and can pass judgment myself, not from the mouths of others. We live in a very spoiled age where everyone thinks that they can get things their way if they whine & cry enough.
That was then, this is now?

It was like, last week or something.

You need to chill dude. You are always on the edge of your seat during whatever stance you are taking.

No one has to play the game to voice their displeasure about character adds that they don't like either. That has nothing to do with gameplay. However, your complaints were gameplay related and you did not play it yourself. (Not saying I disagree with your concerns, just that you need to see what you are saying.)
You done yet? :whistle: Because if you're not, we can do this all day if you'd like. Quite frankly, If you don't like what I have to say, simply add me to your ignore list & be done with it. You don't have to respond to every thing I say. If I was personally saying something against you, trust me, I would say it. I don't hold back anything for anyone.

You are under the impression that we are having some sort of 'fight' or something sir?

Because uh, most surely that's not what's happening.
I was under the impression that you were attacking me, so I went into defense mode.

@Keneticam But it said that in Chronicle Mode, you can choose what faction you want to join by interacting with certain characters?
Edited by TrevorxTravesty, Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:48 am.
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WhiteHorseRide
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:42 am
Koei adds what will get them money not who's better. If they went with who's better than Lian Shi would never have gotten in. She's there to get woman gamers and to attract perverts hence her bust sizand her very revealing clothing.

Woman aren't useless in this era but in Lian Shi's case she's useless just like Bao Sanniang when compared to SSX and Zhu Rong who actually did stuff.
It would suck if ssx and zhu rong were the only women.

The only reason we would have to complain is if we know for sure some new female character took the spot of another possible warrior to add that they were considering.

Like again with my lady wu vs cheng pu example. But of course gaining insider knowledge like that is next to impossible...
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WhiteHorseRide
Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:45 am
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:37 am
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True, but that was then, and this is now. It is getting very tiring now seeing everyone whine & ***** every single day about the same exact things when (and here's the kicker) NO ONE HAS EVEN PLAYED THE DAMN GAME THEMSELVES!

I am not going to complain any further until I have the game in my own hands and can pass judgment myself, not from the mouths of others. We live in a very spoiled age where everyone thinks that they can get things their way if they whine & cry enough.
That was then, this is now?

It was like, last week or something.

You need to chill dude. You are always on the edge of your seat during whatever stance you are taking.

No one has to play the game to voice their displeasure about character adds that they don't like either. That has nothing to do with gameplay. However, your complaints were gameplay related and you did not play it yourself. (Not saying I disagree with your concerns, just that you need to see what you are saying.)
You done yet? :whistle: Because if you're not, we can do this all day if you'd like. Quite frankly, If you don't like what I have to say, simply add me to your ignore list & be done with it. You don't have to respond to every thing I say. If I was personally saying something against you, trust me, I would say it. I don't hold back anything for anyone.

You are under the impression that we are having some sort of 'fight' or something sir?

Because uh, most surely that's not what's happening.
You should both just calm down before something bad happens.
Sort it out via PM, you know, it's the best place for cursing so the mods don't catch you lol.


Man this is turning out horrible, so close to release, so much hype and so much hate too, and not to say anything bad to people, I have(am) doing it myself. Well, can't live on this world without arguments, eh? :P
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We're cool Ichigo. :p
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Never said that they would be. They were examples. Notice how I didn't say the Qiao's are worthless? They actually contribute the plot even if Koei has, in the past, given them horrid character personalities.

We do know...

Logic dictates that...

If Bao Sanniang gets in than...

Liao Hua, Zhang Ni, Guan Xing, Zhang Bao, Fa Zheng, Ma Su, and ect aren't getting in.

Their old art from the DW5 days suggest many fan favorites were considered, like Cheng Pu, than Koei underestimated the difficulty of making games of the PS3 and was arrogant enough to think that fans will buy anything thrown at them.
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I can understand why some people are angry about some of the new characters. Part of the reason a lot of people buy this game, part of the hook, is that the setting is a historical/ROTK hybrid. It's why people buy this game and not Gundam Warriors or some other hack'n'slash. And given that premise, it's not unreasonable to want characters that were noteworthy either in history or the novel.

Still, the way I look at it is that any new character is better than nothing. Plus DW7 is shaping up to be the best of the series so far. :)
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*goes into topic, reads recent posts, throws hands into the air*

WHELP.


*leaves kw for today*
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Well in history most people don't realize the fact that most of the style of martial arts were made by women.
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:45 am
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That was then, this is now?

It was like, last week or something.

You need to chill dude. You are always on the edge of your seat during whatever stance you are taking.

No one has to play the game to voice their displeasure about character adds that they don't like either. That has nothing to do with gameplay. However, your complaints were gameplay related and you did not play it yourself. (Not saying I disagree with your concerns, just that you need to see what you are saying.)
You done yet? :whistle: Because if you're not, we can do this all day if you'd like. Quite frankly, If you don't like what I have to say, simply add me to your ignore list & be done with it. You don't have to respond to every thing I say. If I was personally saying something against you, trust me, I would say it. I don't hold back anything for anyone.

You are under the impression that we are having some sort of 'fight' or something sir?

Because uh, most surely that's not what's happening.
I was under the impression that you were attacking me, so I went into defense mode.

@Keneticam But it said that in Chronicle Mode, you can choose what faction you want to join by interacting with certain characters?
Oh is that so? :huh: I must have overlooked that bit of info. Huh...well if we can choose our faction, it probably won't play any significant part in chronicle mode regardless. At least i dont believe it will. It just seems like such an infintile part of it. I think wats the standing out feature with Chronicle is the freedom(Free mode esque) it allows us unlike story mode. However, it said certain stages would exclude certain characters. I'm not feeling that part at all! I would wanna play any stage with any character. <_<
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Lol Blaziruku nailed it.



I am bettingon taishi ci, sun Ce, da wiao, ssx, lian shi, ding feng, and Zhou tai to appear I'n the gameplay part. We all should see sun quan and sun jian but you know not I'n gameplay.
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:51 am
Never said that they would be. They were examples. Notice how I didn't say the Qiao's are worthless? They actually contribute the plot even if Koei has, in the past, given them horrid character personalities.

We do know...

Logic dictates that...

If Bao Sanniang gets in than...

Liao Hua, Zhang Ni, Guan Xing, Zhang Bao, Fa Zheng, Ma Su, and ect aren't getting in.

Their old art from the DW5 days suggest many fan favorites were considered, like Cheng Pu, than Koei underestimated the difficulty of making games of the PS3 and was arrogant enough to think that fans will buy anything thrown at them.
Logic alone does not dictate that.

We can't guess what Koei's goals were initially and what they ended up having to cut when making decisions. It's possible that they were never considering those guys as adds in the first place, so there is no way we can claim that X is taking X's slot without concrete knowledge.

If we knew something like say... they only had disc space for one more character add, and then they chose bao sanniang over someone whose not completely and utterly useless, then absolutely, our rage would be completely justified on that front.

As it is, I'm just upset that Bao Sanniang exists at all. Not that she took the spot of some other add, because I have no proof of that, but that she exists in the game at all. I'd rather she not exist and we get nothing in replacement than for her to exist.
Edited by WhiteHorseRide, Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:02 am.
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The Wu PV should be up in 5 hours 30 minutes or less. That was the time before and before that. Just to let you guys know. ;)
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lol u can always count on koei warriors to always have people arguing about something. calm down bru this is a video game forum, not a high school classroom. but on topic i cant wait to see Zhou Tai strait up molly-wopp some people. I pity the fool that tries to get in his way (hoping his musou from dw 5 is back).
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Wheres a mod when u need one,

You guys are debating so much I can't keep up.

I've been away so long I've forgotten how this place works,

I believe there are a few unanswered question covered by the debate....

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The Wu PV should be up in 5 hours 30 minutes or less. That was the time before and before that. Just to let you guys know. ;)
:hehe: yay thanks for noticing!!!

And responding
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Well in history most people don't realize the fact that most of the style of martial arts were made by women.
Huh?

Martial Arts is just a term meaning 'ways of war' roughly. It is a term derived from sometime way back in Europe.

Men are the one who fight, since, pretty much the beginning of our fossil history, we have been the warriors. So it's pretty much impossible for this claim to be true that women created most of the 'ways of war' when we were the ones that did the vast majority of the fighting.

It's possible that women created some 'named' styles, but to say that women created the vast majority of 'ways of war' is impossible. As any warrior who has ever trained diligently is a martial artist, even if they had no particular 'name' for their style. E.G. A knight, which might have had no known 'name' for whatever style of fighting they historically used, would still be a martial artist.
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You gotta keep in mind that Koei is adding some of these supposed "unwanted" characters just to fill the wishes of people that like flamboyant characters, flashy girls, and all of those colorful stuff just to make their fans happy. DW lost theme of going by historical accounts ever since DW5.

I'm not saying that anyone shouldn't debate about "who" should appear just because they are important to the historical/novel accounts. But if you really like the historical stuff I think playing Romance of the Three Kingdoms games should be a better game for ya.

Since all the flashy and pop-culture stuff happens in Dynasty Warriors. =P
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Also, Koei would fix a lot of problems if they didn't just give us the CAW feature and take it away for every main game...they are milking us...

CAW is good to have as a main title feature because it can assuage complaints of 'WhereZ CHENG PU?!". Hey dude, just make Cheng Pu. And with an added feature allowing one to potentially replace the NPCs with your CAWs of the same name, that would create epic possibilities.
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Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:14 am
You gotta keep in mind that Koei is adding some of these supposed "unwanted" characters just to fill the wishes of people that like flamboyant characters, flashy girls, and all of those colorful stuff just to make their fans happy. DW lost theme of going by historical accounts ever since DW5.

I'm not saying that anyone shouldn't debate about "who" should appear just because they are important to the historical/novel accounts. But if you really like the historical stuff I think playing Romance of the Three Kingdoms games should be a better game for ya.

Since all the flashy and pop-culture stuff happens in Dynasty Warriors. =P
And what about those who don't want to play a strategy game surrounding ROTK and want a hack n' slash about it?

Are those people out of luck?

And again, the casual claim has already been addressed. Casuals won't know any of this stuff in the first place. The only way to appeal to everyone is to put in actual people (only real requirement I have for female characters) and important male characters and then build the drama and the cool designs that casuals would like around them. Which would be easy as they would already have an outline of a story to flesh out.

To a casual, Guan Suo is just a name with a pretty design. They could have just as easily put in Wen Yang and given him the same design and the casual fans wouldn't know the difference. They'd still be happy with that.

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Well in history most people don't realize the fact that most of the style of martial arts were made by women.
Huh?

Martial Arts is just a term meaning 'ways of war' roughly. It is a term derived from sometime way back in Europe.

Men are the one who fight, since, pretty much the beginning of our fossil history, we have been the warriors. So it's pretty much impossible for this claim to be true that women created most of the 'ways of war' when we were the ones that did the vast majority of the fighting.

It's possible that women created some 'named' styles, but to say that women created the vast majority of 'ways of war' is impossible. As any warrior who has ever trained diligently is a martial artist, even if they had no particular 'name' for their style. E.G. A knight, which might have had no known 'name' for whatever style of fighting they historically used, would still be a martial artist.
sorry i can't ignore this and i know this off topic but...um this isn't about a 'ways of war' and i think your goin' towards 'the art of war' by Sun Tzu...but revanmaster here is talking about art of practice in fighting style not war and they have similarities with european they have tey own custom of fighting.

but think what you want its your point of veiw

(note: not trying to make enemies my apology to other users especially the admin. and mods.)
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honestly i prefer new female characters because females usually have funner move sets. i think the reason they add female charters is to gain a wider fanbase, as well as you can work with females more. most male charters had a sword or spear. with women you can incorporate more feminine tings such as a harp or a flute and make it much more creative tat a sword. furthermore its faster to think of new weapons for women as well. take the dw6 thread when the female clones were bashed people gave a weapon they think the character should use, a single fan, karate, small knife. while for the males many people just wanted the old move set back, which was already similar to other move sets.. just my opinion though =)
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