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Characters Without Cutscenes? [spoilers]; Who missed out on screen time?
Topic Started: Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:27 pm (3,029 Views)
Paragon of Light
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Sadly, it does seem that Ma Dai is just there to fill out the liang faction and Shu. I mean he was at the rebellion, and then hes at the final battle between jin and shu. Man's one hundred years old. Also he doesn't even get to kill wei yan in his gaiden stage which is what he's known for.
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WarriorOfWu
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Yeah I heard Ma Dai and Ma Chao had very limited screen time :/
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Ma Dai is shown in a cutscene only a few seconds.
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Pretty much. Ma Dai only appears at Xingshi appearing to Sima Zhao as the final guy. Other than that, he just appears periodically during the jin vs shu battles. Ma Chao probably only appears in him vs sun ce and in the ong gate but other than that nope.

They better come out with dlc stages for them. In fact for all characters with less then 3 gaiden stages.
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Pretty much. Ma Dai only appears at Xingshi appearing to Sima Zhao as the final guy. Other than that, he just appears periodically during the jin vs shu battles. Ma Chao probably only appears in him vs sun ce and in the ong gate but other than that nope.

They better come out with dlc stages for them. In fact for all characters with less then 3 gaiden stages.
Its just a shame as all my favourites (with the exception of Sun Ce and Lu Xun) have little or no screen time.

I mean I like Dun, Sun Jian, Zhuge Liang, Zhang Fei, Cao Cao etc, but I would like to see the lesser characters get a look in, especially those who are new to the game.

Does anyone know how much screen time Xiahou Ba got?
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Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:58 pm
Pretty much. Ma Dai only appears at Xingshi appearing to Sima Zhao as the final guy. Other than that, he just appears periodically during the jin vs shu battles. Ma Chao probably only appears in him vs sun ce and in the ong gate but other than that nope.

They better come out with dlc stages for them. In fact for all characters with less then 3 gaiden stages.
It's really irritating, it's all the underrated characters, yet again >.<

Again, Ma Dai could also do wonders for Shu, lots of interactions and story were available, but Koei decided not to use it, surprise surprise >.<

With neither his relation with his brother being explored, or his killing of Wei Yan included, I wonder why exactly they added him? Other than adding a character that's in lots of battles... >.>
Surely they planned for more story earlier on in development? I don't understand their reasonings DX

Wei Yan's death was one of the parts I was most excited about seeing, but alas it's not included >.<
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We can always hope for DLC stages?
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Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:58 pm
Pretty much. Ma Dai only appears at Xingshi appearing to Sima Zhao as the final guy. Other than that, he just appears periodically during the jin vs shu battles. Ma Chao probably only appears in him vs sun ce and in the ong gate but other than that nope.

They better come out with dlc stages for them. In fact for all characters with less then 3 gaiden stages.
It's really irritating, it's all the underrated characters, yet again >.<

Again, Ma Dai could also do wonders for Shu, lots of interactions and story were available, but Koei decided not to use it, surprise surprise >.<

With neither his relation with his brother being explored, or his killing of Wei Yan included, I wonder why exactly they added him? Other than adding a character that's in lots of battles... >.>
Surely they planned for more story earlier on in development? I don't understand their reasonings DX

Wei Yan's death was one of the parts I was most excited about seeing, but alas it's not included >.<
It's likely that they were planning more story, but got consumed with Conquest Mode and had to rush the Story nearing the end of development. From what I've sen this seems the most likely case because the early stages for each Kingdom seem well plotted while it then just falls apart.
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Is Diao Chan or Lu Bu in any? (Lu Bu almost definately is but just making sure)

Never mind, my irl friend answered it.
Edited by Grym, Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:09 pm.
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Wait there are seriously characters who don't appear in cutscenes at all? That's seems pretty rushed. Plus some of the new characters don't even get a spot in kingdom mode, that's just weird.

Ever since this game was released in Japan and the info has been pouring in my view of this game has been lowering quite a lot :(
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UpInMahBubble
Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:22 am
We can always hope for DLC stages?
I think that's what might happen.
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I think DLC Stages for Kingdom Mode is extremely likely, considering we've had rumours about it floating around for ages. They could incorporate characters that haven't had a chance yet into stages, so I'd be all for it. I would be happy if every character appeared in at least one cut scene, even if they don't speak.
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:08 pm
I think DLC Stages for Kingdom Mode is extremely likely, considering we've had rumours about it floating around for ages. They could incorporate characters that haven't had a chance yet into stages, so I'd be all for it. I would be happy if every character appeared in at least one cut scene, even if they don't speak.
I too think its likely. I mean they completely left out the later eras of Shu, Wei and Wu. No way they done that by accident. I could definately see 3 sets of Kingdom Mode DLC being released (maybe 5 or 6 battles in each - or at least i would hope so) which would include stages for people like Ma Dai, Ding Feng, Liu Shan, Zhou Tai, Yu Ying, Wei Yan, Lian Shi etc.

Also, to someone who asked about Lu Bu, he does appear in a few cut scenes. As for Diao Chan, I am unsure.
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First time poster here. :lol:

But is it just me, or is the biggest thing holding the Warriors series back Koei itself? I mean I know these games will never have an outstanding story, but Koei could do so much more with it. Yet they seem content to simply ignore these important relationships between characters.

And am I the only one who's irked about kingdoms mode DLC? Not all of us will be able to buy it... <_<
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:06 pm
First time poster here. :lol:

But is it just me, or is the biggest thing holding the Warriors series back Koei itself? I mean I know these games will never have an outstanding story, but Koei could do so much more with it. Yet they seem content to simply ignore these important relationships between characters.

And am I the only one who's irked about kingdoms mode DLC? Not all of us will be able to buy it... <_<
Perhaps, but I don't want to flame Koei too much. They have done some things very well! :D

And about the DLC, yeah I probably won't purchase it either, but the fans deserve it in my opinion.

Oh! And welcome to the forums! :D
Edited by WarriorOfWu, Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:13 pm.
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db3521
Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:06 pm
First time poster here. :lol:

But is it just me, or is the biggest thing holding the Warriors series back Koei itself? I mean I know these games will never have an outstanding story, but Koei could do so much more with it. Yet they seem content to simply ignore these important relationships between characters.

And am I the only one who's irked about kingdoms mode DLC? Not all of us will be able to buy it... <_<
I agree with both your points. It wouldn't take much effort to show different relations throughout the course of the story, even while focusing on a few main ones.

I wouldn't mind no-cost DLC that gives the neglected supporting characters their due - with cut scenes, events, and all - because it would be an attempt to make up for the story mode's failings. I hope KOEI doesn't intend on charging for DLC to fix severe narrative flaws that should not have been an issue in the first place. What-if scenarios might be worth paying for, as would other battles that didn't conveniently fit into a kingdom story, like Cao Cao's battle at White Wolf Mountain. In those cases, you would be buying new content rather than a Band-Aid or do-over.
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db3521
Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:06 pm
First time poster here. :lol:

But is it just me, or is the biggest thing holding the Warriors series back Koei itself? I mean I know these games will never have an outstanding story, but Koei could do so much more with it. Yet they seem content to simply ignore these important relationships between characters.

And am I the only one who's irked about kingdoms mode DLC? Not all of us will be able to buy it... <_<
I appreciate your point - and I agree too - BUT unfortunately in general society, the needs of the majority come over the needs of the minority. In context: the majority of ps3/Xbox360 users have access to both the internet and a credit/debit card.
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db3521
Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:06 pm
First time poster here. :lol:

But is it just me, or is the biggest thing holding the Warriors series back Koei itself? I mean I know these games will never have an outstanding story, but Koei could do so much more with it. Yet they seem content to simply ignore these important relationships between characters.

And am I the only one who's irked about kingdoms mode DLC? Not all of us will be able to buy it... <_<
I totally agree, there's never enough focus on story at all, I want cutscenes as deep and emotional as Heavenly Sword, a game that focuses on the beauty of emotions and drama, within an action game.

Every one of the characters have potential, every warrior has their on stories, but all are unused, other than the poster-boys and SSX. >.<

one quick question, was SSX's suicide included? I'd have liked that to be included, rather than her simply disappearing ^^
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Moogle
Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:25 pm
db3521
Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:06 pm
First time poster here. :lol:

But is it just me, or is the biggest thing holding the Warriors series back Koei itself? I mean I know these games will never have an outstanding story, but Koei could do so much more with it. Yet they seem content to simply ignore these important relationships between characters.

And am I the only one who's irked about kingdoms mode DLC? Not all of us will be able to buy it... <_<
I totally agree, there's never enough focus on story at all, I want cutscenes as deep and emotional as Heavenly Sword, a game that focuses on the beauty of emotions and drama, within an action game.

Every one of the characters have potential, every warrior has their on stories, but all are unused, other than the poster-boys and SSX. >.<

one quick question, was SSX's suicide included? I'd have liked that to be included, rather than her simply disappearing ^^
Nope, Shang Xiang's suicide did not happen this time. But she didn't disappear.
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Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:29 pm
Moogle
Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:25 pm
db3521
Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:06 pm
First time poster here. :lol:

But is it just me, or is the biggest thing holding the Warriors series back Koei itself? I mean I know these games will never have an outstanding story, but Koei could do so much more with it. Yet they seem content to simply ignore these important relationships between characters.

And am I the only one who's irked about kingdoms mode DLC? Not all of us will be able to buy it... <_<
I totally agree, there's never enough focus on story at all, I want cutscenes as deep and emotional as Heavenly Sword, a game that focuses on the beauty of emotions and drama, within an action game.

Every one of the characters have potential, every warrior has their on stories, but all are unused, other than the poster-boys and SSX. >.<

one quick question, was SSX's suicide included? I'd have liked that to be included, rather than her simply disappearing ^^
Nope, Shang Xiang's suicide did not happen this time. But she didn't disappear.
sucks :/ her death was shown then?
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:06 pm
First time poster here. :lol:

But is it just me, or is the biggest thing holding the Warriors series back Koei itself? I mean I know these games will never have an outstanding story, but Koei could do so much more with it. Yet they seem content to simply ignore these important relationships between characters.

And am I the only one who's irked about kingdoms mode DLC? Not all of us will be able to buy it... <_<
I totally agree, there's never enough focus on story at all, I want cutscenes as deep and emotional as Heavenly Sword, a game that focuses on the beauty of emotions and drama, within an action game.

Every one of the characters have potential, every warrior has their on stories, but all are unused, other than the poster-boys and SSX. >.<

one quick question, was SSX's suicide included? I'd have liked that to be included, rather than her simply disappearing ^^
Nope, Shang Xiang's suicide did not happen this time. But she didn't disappear.
sucks :/ her death was shown then?
No, we do not see SSX die.
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...So Xing Cai doesn't appear in any of Liu Shan's cuscenes? Or am I misudnerstanding something?

And Zhou Tai didn't appear in any either? Strange...
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:22 pm
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Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:06 pm
First time poster here. :lol:

But is it just me, or is the biggest thing holding the Warriors series back Koei itself? I mean I know these games will never have an outstanding story, but Koei could do so much more with it. Yet they seem content to simply ignore these important relationships between characters.

And am I the only one who's irked about kingdoms mode DLC? Not all of us will be able to buy it... <_<
I agree with both your points. It wouldn't take much effort to show different relations throughout the course of the story, even while focusing on a few main ones.

I wouldn't mind no-cost DLC that gives the neglected supporting characters their due - with cut scenes, events, and all - because it would be an attempt to make up for the story mode's failings. I hope KOEI doesn't intend on charging for DLC to fix severe narrative flaws that should not have been an issue in the first place. What-if scenarios might be worth paying for, as would other battles that didn't conveniently fit into a kingdom story, like Cao Cao's battle at White Wolf Mountain. In those cases, you would be buying new content rather than a Band-Aid or do-over.
Undoubtedly agree with this. I cant seem to find the picture anymore, but it reminds me of that Mona Lisa picture referring to DLC. It shows Mona Lisa in 2000 with 2 packs of DLC which are two other famous pictures. Then it shows her in 2005 with the DLC just being the top right corner of the picture cloned (It's the same thing, no reason to buy.) Finally it shows The Mona Lisa in 2010 with about a fourth of the picture missing, and to the side it has the missing pieces as dlc. (Basically they ripped out part of the main game, just to sell it as dlc.)

I think its become a trend not just with koei (but they are pretty bad about it) but with game companies in general. If they do make band-aid dlc they better make it free for the fans, though I wont be able to get it.:(

Also I'm feeling rather inconvenienced at the fact that this is all getting released dlc. There are alot of people who dont want to shell out for XBL or have wireless internet, which older model Xbox's dont support. Im not even sure I could say the majority of people I know have XBL for those two reasons. So why can't they release like an XL disc with the stuff too? Its not like they wouldnt make more money that way. :/
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Well theres no confirmation it will be available at all, DLC or not, thats all just speculation at the moment. But yeah I agree with you in that respect.
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Ugh, Xu Huang, shafted for the 2nd time in a row on the PS3, not including DW6: Special which still offered us nothing in terms of Xu Huang :kurokan: .

At least he's one of the few who have 3 Chronicle Mode stages, so Koei has consdered him slightly there I guess -_- .
Edited by The Outsider, Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:49 pm.
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