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| Characters Without Cutscenes? [spoilers]; Who missed out on screen time? | |
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| Diaochan's Jigglypuff | Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:24 pm Post #51 |
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I loathe when a character doesn't get any screen time in a story mode cutscene, because to me it feels like they spent all the time and effort to animate ALL the characters so why not include them? even if it's for 30 seconds? seriously!?!?! And i feel for everybody when there favorites are not included i would hate it as well. But i don't mind when the females get the shaft as much due to the fact that if you're not Zhu Rong, you didn't fight in the novel / probably real life as well (just saying...) but if they cut Diao Chan i would probably be 50% inclined not to play that game... but i think this game was less rushed than six was. |
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| WarriorOfWu | Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:57 pm Post #52 |
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I agree. People may argue that it doesn't matter if the characters are shown in cutscenes, but we all have a connection to certain characters. For example, I am a big fan of Zhou Tai so finding out he wasn't even in a cut scene REALLY annoyed me! |
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| Moogle | Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:02 pm Post #53 |
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If anything, I find it that women need to be in cutscenes much more, for that. If they didn't fight in the novel, why would they be in the game? for the story right? therefore needing cutscenes.. but Koei doesn't see it like that, apparently. Females are now just fanservice I think DX Oh, and Sun Luban is in cutscenes, Ding Feng too. Sun Luban was shown saying goodbye as SSX left, and sitting with Sun Quan in the ending, and Ding Feng was shown briefly with other Wu officers in the ending... but they were CG cutscenes so I don't know what this topic is going by anymore |
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| WarriorOfWu | Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:15 pm Post #54 |
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I agree. I mean I personally think Yue Ying and Xing Cia DEFINATELY should have appeared in cutscenes. And Zhen Ji should have got a lot more than the tiny bit she did get. It would have been good if the Qiaos made a tiny appearance at some point, as they have been with DW for a while now. As for Bao Sanniang, I'm not a fan, but still she should have appeared at least once. Cai Wenji deserved a look in too... But alas, it was not to be... And if they put in some Nanman levels, Meng Huo and Zhu Rong would have been there too!
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| Tails66 | Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:42 am Post #55 |
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I'm glad that koei was nice enough to give Pang Tong his time in the spotlight. Does anyone know if Pang Tong is in Chi Bi? |
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| Deleted User | Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:48 am Post #56 |
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The Qiaos could appear alongside their husbands during cutscenes, even if they do not speak. They could also be present as allies. The same applies to Bao Sanniang, she could be present alongside of Guan Suo. |
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| Frayling0 | Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:25 am Post #57 |
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But does that really achieve anything, but having them just standing there? I have the opposite opinion, as an example: - Yue Ying has always been one of my favourite characters in the series. In 6, she featured in one cut scene in a room with Zhuge Liang, where she just stood lifelessly and said nothing. In all honesty, I would of rather not seen her like that because it gave her an impression of being wooden and 'tacked on'. Looking at the Legend Stages in 7, I would much rather see a female character have a few lines of dialogue and plenty of action from one of these stages than just stand there for the sake of a female being in shot. Sorry if I come across as hostile or argumentative or whatever, I really don't mean to and I respect your opinion, just saying my piece. |
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| Zhange Tai | Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:04 pm Post #58 |
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Pang Tong does not appear in Chi Bi... |
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| Lady Succubus | Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:27 pm Post #59 |
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wait sun luban? dont you mean lian shi??? |
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| Deleted User | Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:24 pm Post #60 |
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Yes, that Lian Shi. Sun Luban is not present in the game. |
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| Moogle | Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:15 pm Post #61 |
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Yes. Lian Shi... /fail fail fail heh ^^" |
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| Skode | Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:21 am Post #62 |
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If the Qiao sisters appeared at all in cutscenes then simply put they would be like every other appearance in that they would be in the devoted lovey dovey wife mold - bit pointless if they got cutscenes just to show that. Zhou Tai and Wei Yan were very important for their forces but the games personas for them is those of tough fierce men who let their actions do the talking for them so its not really miss that they dont feature in cutscenes either. I was however really surprised at Bao San Niang not featuring in a cutscene... mostly as i thought thats the one new character KOEI really need to develop being an unknown in both history and the novels unlike say Xiahou Ba who we were all familiar with before his appearance in the game. Heck seeing her feature so prominantly in the opening title cutscene made me think they had big plans for her but not the case it would seem, there is also the fact she is one of the few with a genuinly unique to her weapon. Mind you she is one of the few available from the offset for Chronicles mode so maybe thats the neutral ground KOEI found for her |
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| Deleted User | Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:23 pm Post #63 |
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The problem is that the Legend Stages are all alike... It does not feel the liveliness of a stage that we play in the Story Mode. In one of the Legend Stages, there are some officers to beat and one or two unique lines and thats it. Not cutscenes or events. Even machines to destroy the doors are not available in this mode. |
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| Moogle | Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:29 pm Post #64 |
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Not necassarily. Watch the movie "Red Cliff" and you'll understand how Xiao Qiao can be used effectively. Koei could utilize the Cao Cao thing, build some kind of mysterious infatuation from Cao Cao.. Then by the time of Chi Bi, Da and Sun ce will likely have died. Have Xiao give herself to Cao Cao to protect the people of Wu and prevent a war, Chi Bi hapens nonetheless due to Zhou Yu wanting to save her, then playing as Xiao Qiao you could destory the Wei fleet from the inside and re-unite with Zhou Yu. It'd also be nice for Xiao to outlive Zhou Yu, then having her fight as some kind of redemptuion for her husband, then meeting her end, only to join her loved ones in heaven. for Da Qiao; they could really give some emphasis on Sun Ce's death. Since Sun Ce's death has always been a mystery, they could spice it up a little bit and have Cao Cao hire the taoist Yu Ji to assassinate Sun Ce in order to take the Qiaos for himself. For Da's stage, have her witness Sun Ce's assassination and Sun Ce dies in her arms, she then rages at them all and kills Yu Ji and the few Wei officers, but eventually dies or is killed, probably suicide. Koei really just need to use history to their advantage. Most of the Three Kingdoms is very vague, they should really take this and then spice it up. The novel isn't famous for nothing, the story is beautiful and powerful.. Koei have yet to utilise this power. Any character has the potential that the Qiaos hold, all of the characters have good designs and great stories from the novel.. Hopefully Koei delve into this depth in the future, Kingdom Mode could've easily done this effectively, and easier than with past games' Musou modes. Slightly dissapointing that they didn't grab hold of these potentials; instead going for the quicker, more marketable approach by using the same "main" characters throughout the game. |
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| Skode | Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:33 pm Post #65 |
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Ugh no thanks... Cao Cao as some sort of aged Lu Bu infatuated with the Qiaos - demeans everything theyve built him up to be in the games not to mention that unlike Lui Bei in the games he looks older where as the Qiao sisters look young (can you say the same thing about that in Red Cliffs). As for Da Qiao... i liked Yu Ji. The mystic died because of Sun Ce agnoring advice from everyone around him in regards to him. It showed the niave arrogant side of his young nature - the idea of it being an assasination on behalf of Cao Cao to me personally is also a terrible idea. Nah, i would rather they have no cutscene time than dramatically change the personalities of characters long established in the game. Especially leaders such as Sun Ce and Cao Cao who have plenty of background to keep themselves reasonably well represented just to enrich minor female additions to the cast. |
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| Moogle | Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:47 pm Post #66 |
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"infatuated" may not have been the best choice of words... It was slightly shown in DW4, if I remember correctly, and it could certainly fit Koei's Cao Cao, it's very hard to explain for me, in the movie it was perfect, he was very respectful towards Xiao Qiao, but not as in falling in love... I fail at explaining xD and in Red Cliff, Cao Cao was actually older looking than Koei's portrayal, and Xiao Qiao was portrayed to be in her early 20's-ish, similar age difference to DW basically.. this is the double edged sword again; some fans want more depth for the females, while others feel them to be useless, not wanting anymore from them. I just feel that they practically have no story given to them, and if Koei ever decide to give characters seperate stories or even Legend stages like in DW4XL, these would be viable stories, for me anyway ^^ |
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| Frayling0 | Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:50 am Post #67 |
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As much as I love the idea, Koei won't do it. Therefore, I would rather the Qiao's weren't in cut scenes than stand like bimbo dummies without any dialogue. |
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| Celestial | Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:58 am Post #68 |
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Honestly who else would be beside Zhuge Liang when he is sick? For Yue Ying to be standing beside her husband while he is like that is very in to her character. Yue Ying bowed and giggled at Zhuge Liang not just stand there like oh I'm here. She got her time in DW6 special at least. As for the ladies who didn't even get time to show up in the kingdom mode as even a general on the battlefeild, it does achieve something to have them present on the feild if not in a cutscene. All the men that weren't in cutscenes were on the battlefeild at during some point of the mode at least. There were plenty of chances for the ladies and men that didn't get a scene to have one. As for the Qiaos, if they couldn't give them cutscene time they should be present in one of the battles. Not ignored threw the whole kingdom mode. This is really were most of the problem for us fans of them comes from. @Skode: Wei Yan had a cutscene.
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| WarriorOfWu | Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:05 pm Post #69 |
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Wei Yan had one? Awesome! ![]() And yeah, I can see your point Frayling, but like Celestial said, they should have at least appeared in one of the battles and for example had some dialogue. (not talking about Conquest mode here) |
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