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Sengoku Musou 3 Empires; August 2011
Topic Started: Tue May 31, 2011 2:42 am (81,412 Views)
ZhaoThun
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wolfrik
Thu Jun 9, 2011 7:43 am
Who wants to throw Pie's at KOEI's face with me!? :)

KOEI just wants to make GREAT games and sell it at their home and wave it in America's and Europe's face thats the only good excuse I can think of lol :)
I totaly agreed with you they are keeping the epic games in their county, and as i read from some member post the whole leads to this " looks like KOEI release SW3 for Wii only to have an excuse that it didnt have much sales to keep their best products for themselfs" if you sit down and just read carefully the members replies this is leads here. (well i realy want someone to proof me wrong because if i am in then i am not going to be a fan of KOEI) KOEI was in my top 5 respect list but if they are gonna deny SW3E and SW3Z (that they already denied)(i realy love samurais)then KOEI will loose me as a fan no matter what they'll do i never gonna be a fan again until they decide to release SW3Z/E/XL overseas.Well this is a DUMP move of KOEI they are not going to release their second best product (SW3Z/E/XL) overseas?Seriusly WTF is wrong with KOEI?
Probably if we throw pie's and tomatoes to KOEI they will wake up :P .
Edited by ZhaoThun, Thu Jun 9, 2011 5:30 pm.
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It's a bit dissapointing that SW3:E isn't coming overseas but can't say I did not see this coming. I agree with Xalfrea, I too only see plain numbered installments getting localized such as SW4 but not any expansions though.
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I am rather disappointed in some of the thing they have in this game. The clan story mode should have been saved for SW4, but they used it already here. So what we have left for the next Samurai game? Certainly not individual stories.
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I won't have the interview up until later tonight or tomorrow, but the reason mentioned in the interview for SW3: Empires not coming overseas is that the core game (SW3) was not released on other consoles (PS3/Xbox 360) overseas. What I interpreted from that was that the Wii game sold too poorly here and they felt it would not generate enough sales on a console version. I didn't go into specifics on exactly why, but since the core game was not released overseas on the PS3 it pretty much also took Empires out of the equation.

It sucks, but what can you do? I don't think a petition will help too much either. I did mention it, but SW3: Empires is not planned to be released overseas.
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I knew it an other lame excuse it was quite obvious that it will sell poorly it wasn't overseas and it was on wii only pretty obvious really -_-
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light the light I find that very offensive to trash talk us Wii users. You don't see me trash talking PS3 and XBOX360 users do you? Divine Justice I understand you may like Order but their is nothing wrong with what we are saying as it has to do with the game and we are not cursing or trolling out KOEI. Lol thanks Themis95 once again I agree. Also I don't see anything wrong with Individual stories. Just make the games for all Consul's don't have anymore Demons and castle's mode and make Wi-Fi multiplayer for a mode or two for all consul's. Now I'm not yelling at Jsun or anything at him. But see KOEI has a D-U-M-B reason for this so far. If they would just bring thier games over here for all Consul's they would make more than enough profit. Simple as that. :realangry:
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@ Kahi: I have no idea about how Sony charges companies with DLC, but the last figure I've read for Microsoft is that the company wishing to have the content on XBL only keep 30% of what a customer pays for it. I'm not usually a fan of the idea of defending Koei's dirty money grabs(HELLO STRIKEFORCE!), but in this instance I'm just a little bit skeptical that the DLC earned so much for them.
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@ wolfrik: wow hold your horses there buddy just where the hell did I trash talk the Wii? I only said that because it was released on one console only -______________-
If they did that for PS3 only they will end up the same because it's on ONE consolu only :P
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Many write off the Wii as useless console, so making SW3 a Wii exclusive saw a decline in already mediocre sales for the Warriors series. No one as trolling the Wii...fact is fact. Those who had a Wii bought it, those who don't have a Wii weren't going to dish out $200 on a system to play one game.

That and, as Maeda Toshiie said, had Koei released on more than just one console, the game would've sold better. But Koei sales in the states have always been rather meh anyway.

Anyway, I half expected this would happen. No point in declaring that Koei lost a big fan...first off, I doubt they'd care, secondly...well, i'd be lying. The majority of their income comes from Japan, losing a fan or two in the states really makes no impact...especially since it doesn't look like we'll get anymore games from them anyway :ph43r:
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Maeda Toshiie I was not talking to you I was talking to Light the Light and a couple others lol :)
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@ Toshiie: He was flaming Light the Light, not you.
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LOOL I failed :XD

OT: Mr. Kamikaze indeed There was even a rumour that DW7 was also going to be PS3 only. I sure hope that it won't be the end of Warriors games getting overseas T_T
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First of all, like always, Xalfrea, this is for your 5.000 KO post:

Posted Image: "You are......
Posted Image: ......a true warrior......
Posted Image: ............of the Three Kingdoms!"


Oh hey, and, if you are not buying/importing SW3:E, then you will at least not have those woes like with SW3's main game.


This is for those, who likes to use the "ignore"-function in this forum (saw an unnecassary one on the last page).
It's not always the wisest choice to use that function just because of dissensions or whatever.
It's more wise to listen even to those, who disagrees. Stay neutral and tolerant.
At this way you can earn more experience. Just saying.


And now, On-Topic:
I too don't know what i should think of Koei right now.
Lord Kahi made some good points as the reasons, why we don't understand Koei since a while. They made to many weird and wrong choices lately.
I have a feeling, that they are going to abandon us westerners.
I also agree with Xalfrea and JasBell, that we won't become the expansions in the future. Only the main games. Koei stays alive just from the money/profit they get from their sales in Japan. And the profit they are getting from the west is not enough for their efforts in localizing the games. It looks like unnecassary business for them.
However, i will stay loyal to Koei till the end. Even if they act like they act now.
What should i say, i rely on them and their DW/SW-Games.
Hence why i will try to support them wherever i can.
Even if that means to import the games. By the way, since i have said this now, there wouldn't be so much problems to import the games if they just would have some ENGLISH SUBTITLES for their games. Is it that hard to make this?
A game in original japanese language but with english subtitles would be acceptable for me.
Edited by ThreeKingdomsWarrior, Thu Jun 9, 2011 7:10 pm.
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Tbh, whats the point in them making this game for around under 2000 fans (im guessing). Unfortunatly, some of the west gamers are so retarded they wouldn't bother to pick this game up other than us Koei fans, cause today CoD, Battlefield, WHATEVER, is the 'it' game and won't give games like this a chance, so even if it came here, it won't sell well I dont think, considering the awesome games coming out soon.

And people who saying they're no longer fans of Koei, well that's just silly imo, Koei do listen to their fans, otherwise DW7 wouldn't be on 360
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People care too much about war games and online multiplayer nowadays so they don't care about a good Hack n Slash game that has a good story with good Charectors. Sigh what a shame we lost story lovers to Kill Kill Kill! people. :/
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Thu Jun 9, 2011 7:13 pm
People care too much about war games and online multiplayer nowadays so they don't care about a good Hack n Slash game that has a good story with good Charectors. Sigh what a shame we lost story lovers to Kill Kill Kill! people. :/
Not only that. Look how they rate movies. I mean, the "Oscar"-awarding.
Action-movies (like CoD and such in games) and such getting always the short end of the stick.
But if it comes to drama, historical epos and true events, and good acting (like Braveheart or other epic movies) those movies are getting the most Oscars.
I see these things in DW7 for example. I would give DW7 easily 5 Oscars or so.
There is no other game which would earn so many. Except Final Fantasy or SW a bit.
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Well that was it KOEI has lost me from a fan, they are going to turn their backs on US ans EU fans i turn my back on them, Until they release SW3Z/XL/E overseas they are 1 fan less i supose it has to end sometime.
100% agreed with you wolfrik in old times games where made to let people have fun with a good story, now all they bother them is how to earn money this is why they create chaotic online multiplayer, and not consern on a good story as i said on an earlier post.
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I think you guys are being a tad delusional...

Dynasty Warriors 7 is easily the best of the series. Of the series wouldn't say it is at all the best game out there. Comparing it to other games, there are many many other games more fun and better made than any of the Warriors games.
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Thu Jun 9, 2011 7:38 pm
I think you guys are being a tad delusional...

Dynasty Warriors 7 is easily the best of the series. Of the series wouldn't say it is at all the best game out there. Comparing it to other games, there are many many other games more fun and better made than any of the Warriors games.
Yeah but for me SW is better than DW (at least for me). It depends on what is a person likes mucher.I dont disagreed that DW is KOEI's first but SW is KOEI's second best, and consider this what would have happen if SW has released first than the DW?I think you know what would have happen, SW would be the KOEI's best and DW would be KOEI's second best.

EDITED: Wow wait a second in samurai warriors FB page says what do you expect from sengoku musou 3 empires, they cant posibly try to piss us off, probably they planing for an overseas release, but i dont like the japan name sengoku musou 3 empires and not samurai warriors 3 empires
Edited by ZhaoThun, Thu Jun 9, 2011 7:59 pm.
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If there not trying to piss us off then they successfully pissed me off without trying argh! :kurokan:
Now that it's almost safe to say that it's not coming overseas why did they tell us that we need to reach 20K. Possibly because we can't reach it ._.
If neither SW3E or SW3Z come overseas Koei will SURELY lose fans (including me) as even some of my friends already disliked Koei's pages. :/
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@ Mr. Kamikaze:
If "fun" refers to something like Super Mario, and "better made" to graphics and such, then i agree.
But i am going the "movie"-way right now.
And a good movie should be touching the peoples hearts and make them cry.
Yeah, i know how that sounds, but this is what is important in awarded movies.
Now, show me one game that has such emotional scenes, which makes you cry.
I admit, i cried in DW7. No waterfall-cries of course, but 3-4 tears after Cao Cao's death for example.
Now, DW7 has fun, it has not the best, but good graphics, and also good sound and music. It has a very huge cast with so many different personalities and good roles.
The stage-sets, locations and costumes.
It has all forms of emotions and the storylines are enormous.
Now, show me one game, which can combine ALL this content in one game, especially the emotional part which is hard to create in a game.
Is there one? As is said, SW is also a bit close to it. Maybe in SW4.
Edited by ThreeKingdomsWarrior, Thu Jun 9, 2011 8:18 pm.
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This is dumb. Its Koei's fault SW3 didnt sell, and its their fault that SW3E isnt gonna come out. Plain and simple, they made extremely dumb choices with the SW3 series.
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So in short, we're suffering for Koei's ****-up.

For once I've got nothing to say in their favor.
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Thu Jun 9, 2011 6:04 pm
light the light I find that very offensive to trash talk us Wii users. You don't see me trash talking PS3 and XBOX360 users do you? Divine Justice I understand you may like Order but their is nothing wrong with what we are saying as it has to do with the game and we are not cursing or trolling out KOEI. Lol thanks Themis95 once again I agree. Also I don't see anything wrong with Individual stories. Just make the games for all Consul's don't have anymore Demons and castle's mode and make Wi-Fi multiplayer for a mode or two for all consul's. Now I'm not yelling at Jsun or anything at him. But see KOEI has a D-U-M-B reason for this so far. If they would just bring thier games over here for all Consul's they would make more than enough profit. Simple as that. :realangry:
I beg your parden, but when did I ever trash talk Wii users?

It's a fact that the Wii doesn't have near as many games that would cater to the kind of audience that Koei usually has. Most of the games are for casual gamers or for families, and that's why it did do so well, because a lot of people bought them for their family to use. The motion control is usually taken advantage of in the Wii games, so they're a lot different than Warrior games. It's also a fact that a lot of Koei's existing fanbase (because before SW3, the games had only been released on PS2/360 - oh wait, I forgot about KATANA) didn't own a Wii prior to SW3 coming out, and you could see as much as these forums.

Did I say that everyone who owns a Wii is a casual gamer who doesn't play other games or consoles besides Mario or Wii Fitness and who can't play a hack-and-slash game if their life depended on it? No. But most of the games on the Wii do appeal to a more casual audience, as you can see from this list. Stop putting words in other people's mouths and whining about your conclusions.

I own a Wii (well, my roommate does), but it doesn't mean that I think their decision to release SW3 as a Wii exclusive was a smart one. I think it was one of the most stupid things they've ever done.

And that's my opinion. You should probably stop getting so personally offended whenever someone doesn't agree with you or says something that you don't like.

More on topic:

I was talking to a friend about this last night, and as much as I want to import Empires, I know it's likely going to be difficult because of the language barrier...

The story mode may not be an issue, depending on what it looks like, but it's the other modes that will - would anyone be willing to try to start a translation guide for the other modes so that importers can play the full game?
Edited by Komatsu, Thu Jun 9, 2011 11:18 pm.
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Ah their we go another added to my ignore list. But other than that Themis95 I think that FB question of theirs is for those that have not played Samurai Warriors 3 Empire's but will get it from Japan. But this reminds me of EA and their Monopoly of the gaming industry in America. They will buy up a independent video game company force them to make less good games for them for a few years then just fire off the team. Now how that relates to KOEI is how they take good gaming companies from us just like KOEI left us. :/
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