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Sengoku Musou 3 Empires; August 2011
Topic Started: Tue May 31, 2011 2:42 am (81,410 Views)
Jiyuu
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I'm not going to lie - I'm very annoyed. :angry: And disappointed. :( I guess I'll get over it, but argh, it'll take a little while. Here I thought SW3 Empires would actually have a chance of making it over here - even if you don't have the main game, surely Empires can still stand by itself? Though I could be wrong, since all I have is DW6 E to judge by. :/

I don't like sounding whiny or childish or whatever, but I do hope that Koei isn't as stupid and does release SW4 outside Japan (on the PS3/360, possibly..? :rolleyes: ), at least. *sigh* Not that I'm holding my breath now.. -_-;
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wolfrik
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Sorry guys looks like KOEI cares more about their home than any of us from now on at this rate. :/
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Xalfrea
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The huge loss from Trinity, Quantum and Troy, plus the lackluster sales of SW3, and the mildly disappointing sales of DW7 is probably a factor in Koei turning homeward.

Plus, from what I remember, wasn't there something involving a CEO at Koei quitting? Maybe this new CEO is cutting their losses.
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wolfrik
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Wow even more like EA cause the latest guy running the EA video game company has not done near as good as the guy before him. Damn the KOEI CEO that quit should have made sure somebody GOOD would replace him before quitting for sure. :/
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Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:25 am
The huge loss from Trinity, Quantum and Troy, plus the lackluster sales of SW3, and the mildly disappointing sales of DW7 is probably a factor in Koei turning homeward.

Plus, from what I remember, wasn't there something involving a CEO at Koei quitting? Maybe this new CEO is cutting their losses.
That was my point, Trinity, Quantum and Troy. They took a chance, they should have tried to only sale Trinity and Quantum in Japan. If it sells well, then take a chance overseas. I would just keep pumping money in the Warrior games.

They should sell DW and SW all systems and worldwide and maybe take a small risk on releasing one of their games that is not based on the Warrior series.

I just don't understand why they released all those games when there is a lot of games out there to compete with them.

I love history, that is what got me liking DW4.

If I was in charge. I would only release games I know that would sale. DW and SW with DLC and the Empries games I would sale overseas. Spinoffs, I would keep in Japan, unless it sold really well, then I might take a chance.

I am sorry if I sound like a broken record, but my worse fear came true.

Why do I have to buy all Koei games just to get the Warriors games over here? I just don't like those games.

I Just want the Main game and all the Empires DW and SW.
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SES4skc7 I couldn't have said it better myself that is very true. But chances are the latest CEO guy is just a young guy with less experience that cares more about making money without risks and not caring about everybody and the way you do that is by only selling to your home. You got to hate CEO guys like that sometimes. Yet instead of him learning from his mistakes and trying other strategies with oversea's you know the smart way he rather give up and stay at home. :/
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^ If you have incurred a lost, it's common sense to recovery first before you try making money with risks again. In this case, staying at home is the smart way.
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Um they have for like a year or so I consider that plenty of time to recover from a year of one games bad sales.
Edited by wolfrik, Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:34 pm.
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wolfrik
Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:48 am
Um they for like a year or so I consider that plenty of time to recover from a year of one games bad sales.
Very true. And anyway, the losses koei made from QT, Trinity Zill ol, and SW3 on the Wii would have been covered due to the massive sales of DW7 and SW3Z wouldn't it????

Plus the worldwide sales of the game would have done pretty well for Koei, so I don't see why they couldn't give the PS3 versions of SW3 and Empires a try.... -_-

I hope they get their business brains working again or I'll shoot someone.... <_<
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Those "massive" sales were probably Japan only. I think we really need statistics on Koei's US and other worldwide sales because I don't think even that was enough to fully recover their losses.

Plus, there's probably not-so-tiny thing called the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami that probably screwed them up even more.
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Thu Jun 9, 2011 6:46 am
So it aint coming. Eh, I never had my expectations so I don't really care in the slightest.
Yeeeeeeep. Samurai Warriors is pretty much dead overseas. Not that I'm pointing any fingers at a certain company and their decision to request exclusivity rights.

Oh well, at least this means I get to save my money for games from companies that don't disappoint me as often as others. Helloooooo, Bioware!
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Dynasty warriors 7 PS3 sales
Dynasty warriors 7 x box 360 sales
Samurai warriors 3 sales
Samurai warriors 3Z
Samurai warriors 2 x box 360
samurai warriors 2 ps2
samurai warriors 3 XL
samurai warriors 2E sales
SW2E ps2
warriros legends of troy sales
Legnds of troy ps3
Well these are the "new" games sales.I want to know what is EMEAA?
EDITED: i add some of my favorites.
Kens rage ps3 sales
kens rage x box 360
bladestorm x box 360
bladestorm ps3
guys EMEAA mustnt be europe because in some games it hasnt sales.
Edited by ZhaoThun, Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:48 am.
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As far as I know, the Warriors series has always been pretty niche in the States. Despite how we personally might feel about it, it makes a lot of sense for Koei to market more toward Japan than to the west. The way everyone is frothing here makes it seems like they'd buy 5 copies each if Koei would just localize it.

Maybe I'm jaded since I'm a Beatmania fan, but I just accept that some things aren't profitable to localize.

[HYPOTHETICAL]That said, Samurai Warriors 3 was only released in Japan for PS3 in February. If I may be forgiven for throwing out some futile sense of hope, we might have a very slim chance of seeing it in the west by the holidays. If that happens, SW3E may follow some time next year.[/HYPOTHETICAL]
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I somehow doubt that Sengoku Musou Z will be released outside Japan. There may still be tiny chance for Empires though. Between DW and SW, I don't think SW is well-known and popular enough to get decent sales in the West, not to mention the graphics isn't as good as DW7. DW on the other hand actually has a decent fanbase supporting it.
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DW and DWG I feel are the only titles that can support themselves; DW has virtue of being the original franchise that started it all, and DWG has Gundams.
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luckytintinnz
Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:24 am
I somehow doubt that Sengoku Musou Z will be released outside Japan. There may still be tiny chance for Empires though. Between DW and SW, I don't think SW is well-known and popular enough to get decent sales in the West, not to mention the graphics isn't as good as DW7. DW on the other hand actually has a decent fanbase supporting it.
It's already known Z will not get an overseas release.
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Thu Jun 9, 2011 5:59 pm
I won't have the interview up until later tonight or tomorrow, but the reason mentioned in the interview for SW3: Empires not coming overseas is that the core game (SW3) was not released on other consoles (PS3/Xbox 360) overseas. What I interpreted from that was that the Wii game sold too poorly here and they felt it would not generate enough sales on a console version. I didn't go into specifics on exactly why, but since the core game was not released overseas on the PS3 it pretty much also took Empires out of the equation.

It sucks, but what can you do? I don't think a petition will help too much either. I did mention it, but SW3: Empires is not planned to be released overseas.
So this should mean they have no excuse not to release DW7 Empires overseas, right?
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Thu Jun 9, 2011 5:59 pm
I won't have the interview up until later tonight or tomorrow, but the reason mentioned in the interview for SW3: Empires not coming overseas is that the core game (SW3) was not released on other consoles (PS3/Xbox 360) overseas. What I interpreted from that was that the Wii game sold too poorly here and they felt it would not generate enough sales on a console version. I didn't go into specifics on exactly why, but since the core game was not released overseas on the PS3 it pretty much also took Empires out of the equation.

It sucks, but what can you do? I don't think a petition will help too much either. I did mention it, but SW3: Empires is not planned to be released overseas.
So this should mean they have no excuse not to release DW7 Empires overseas, right?
I'm 9000% sure Any DW expansion will be released overseas. That I assure you.
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I'm 9000% sure Any DW expansion will be released overseas. That I assure you.


Multi Raid 2/Strikeforce 2 said hi :P
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Koei does know that they will disappoint 280+ fans right? (petition)

OT: so Koei said that you can build your own place does that mean they can build there own map sorta?
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The only info so far is building our own capital, but that remains to be seen if we can even have battles in it. If we can indeed have battles then perhaps its a stepping stone for an eventual map creator.

Yes, and just a reminder: SW3Z means no Empires period. But the very least they could've done is release the XL...
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Yes, and just a reminder: SW3Z means no Empires period. But the very least they could've done is release the XL...


I totally agree with this. To leave the ones who bought Samurai Warriors Three on the Nintendo Wii hanging out to dry, (Meaning that they won't get the chance to further expand and have the motive to continue playing the Original with Xtreme Legends Futures), is extremely bad business on Koei's end.

As SRS said in a couple pages back, it is most unfortune that we must suffer this (in the long-run) backlash due to a fatal mistake that was made on Koei's end. Honestly, the only thing that could be said in Koei's defense is that they did not forsee this coming? Then again, that may even prove to be difficult to live down itself....
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Well now that they've seen what they've done, it's not to late to make future changes.
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It is entirely possible that things may get better. After all, look what happened after DW6: We got the awesome Warriors Orochi with DW5 designs.

Crap's gotta happen before the light at the end of the tunnel.

Even if Empires was coming over, and not for the Wii I wouldn't have really minded, the XL was the one that caught my eye, particularly because of the 9 new stories.
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Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:17 am
^ If you have incurred a lost, it's common sense to recovery first before you try making money with risks again. In this case, staying at home is the smart way.
I agree a little, but you have to be careful. You could lose fans. That is why I say keep the DW and SW games global. Other games stay home and throw a bone to the west once in a while like OW empries, I can only dream.

wolfrik
Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:12 am
Wow even more like EA cause the latest guy running the EA video game company has not done near as good as the guy before him. Damn the KOEI CEO that quit should have made sure somebody GOOD would replace him before quitting for sure. :/
That is what scares me with DA game.

ChibiGingi
Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:38 am
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Thu Jun 9, 2011 6:46 am
So it aint coming. Eh, I never had my expectations so I don't really care in the slightest.
Yeeeeeeep. Samurai Warriors is pretty much dead overseas. Not that I'm pointing any fingers at a certain company and their decision to request exclusivity rights.

Oh well, at least this means I get to save my money for games from companies that don't disappoint me as often as others. Helloooooo, Bioware!
I hope not. I love SW series more.

You see it happening with Dragon Age. They promise two years of support for DAO, but someone (EA) had them to push out DA2.
What did Nintendo offer Koei to get it exclusive for the Wii?

Maybe they didn't have the resources to make SW3 for PS3 and 360. I hope they are focusing on SW4. I do like SW better than DW.

Will this (SW3 Empries) have Oaths and Marriage?

Quadruple-posting is bad! Please use the "Edit" to revise your previous post for future references, thank you!
Edited by Kaon, Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:35 pm.
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