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Sengoku Musou 3 Empires; August 2011
Topic Started: Tue May 31, 2011 2:42 am (81,402 Views)
FKA
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Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:55 am
Oh god the amount of moaning!
First off anyone thats having ago saying "lousy game" why don't you take yourself off here, clearly the post mentions samurai warriors 3:empires, so everything here will be about the "lousy game" itself!

Second, I don't understand a scrap of Japanese and it took me 2 seconds to revise the menus and such on xl/Z. Now I can play it fine, so don't say "we need a guide for the menu just to start the game" because it took me maximum 5 minutes!
Also anyone that is looking to buy xl/Z for PS3, every option on the menu has an English translation underneath, some don't but if you need any help discovering things then message me!
You do realise the Empires' franchise requires more knowledge of the Japanese language than XL/Z right? I guess you were too busy getting pissed off at everyone complaining that you totally passed the posts that elaborated on WHY everyone seems like a whiny ***** (me included).

Also you have to remember that this Empires game in particular is going to be somewhat more complex what with the building your own city (like in Nobunaga's Ambition or ROTK, games which one would absolutely fail at if people didn't play them in their native language). Add this to the fact that there are a crap load of sub menus and policies to go through rather than choosing a menu option and immediately going into battle proves your "took me 2 seconds to revise the menus..." nil and void.

So comparing XL/Z to Empires is quite stupid to be honest because lets face it, the former requires absolutely no knowledge of Japanese for it to be played effectively because:

a) Since SW3 was released on the wii overseas, people would only need to look up on youtube to understand the stories (and for the stories exclusive to XL/Z, there's always GameFAQ's), and get a pretty good grasp of everything from the get-go.

and,

b) The battles are pretty linear, so you'd be constantly have a hand to lead you to your next objective, rather than having to plan out your officers' movements and set out policies before the battle, and other things associated with Empires.

I also understand that using GameFaq's to help in Empires would be a smart idea as well, but in the end having to play the game and constantly stopping the game to look up translations of basically everything until you grasp enough of the basics to continue on wouldn't bode well with the flow of the game. If that makes sense....

Btw you moaning about everyone else moaning isn't going to help either. You could just ignore them (by pressing their name and choosing the ignore option in the bio.).

But to each his/her/its own I guess <_<
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did everyone know about the petition on the koei wiki, 20,000 sigs and they will be localized XD, i've already signed. But u can only sign once with the same email and name. :O
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Ain't this going slow?
Only 480.
Nobody cares and so they have decided to NO RELEASE in English.
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20000 sigs is impossible...The samurai warriors facebook page only has 4k likes, and with people without fb, i doubt we'll get 20000 sigs. Sorry to sound like a douche but it aint happening.
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Strikerdes
Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:55 am
Second, I don't understand a scrap of Japanese and it took me 2 seconds to revise the menus and such on xl/Z. Now I can play it fine, so don't say "we need a guide for the menu just to start the game" because it took me maximum 5 minutes!
I played the heck out of Musou Orochi: Maou Sairin with a translation guide for the first game and some help from Japanese speakers on deciphering treasure requirements. I even wrote a comprehensive weapon FAQ several months before the US release.

I learned some kanji and simple terms just by seeing them over and over again in context, but I didn't understand a whit of character dialog or story until I got the English version. There's a huge, huge difference between basic pattern recognition, which allows you to play a game, and the language comprehension required to understand dialog and narrative. Not to mention that basic pattern recognition can be a constant - and draining - exercise in looking things up if there are a load of menus to sort through, which is likely to be the case in an Empires game.

Forgive me for "moaning" over the fact that I would want to enjoy the character interactions that Empires games tend to include, and the story modes new to this installment.
Edited by Rydain, Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:38 pm.
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Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:35 pm
Strikerdes
Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:55 am
Second, I don't understand a scrap of Japanese and it took me 2 seconds to revise the menus and such on xl/Z. Now I can play it fine, so don't say "we need a guide for the menu just to start the game" because it took me maximum 5 minutes!
I played the heck out of Musou Orochi: Maou Sairin with a translation guide for the first game and some help from Japanese speakers on deciphering treasure requirements. I even wrote a comprehensive weapon FAQ several months before the US release.

I learned some kanji and simple terms just by seeing them over and over again in context, but I didn't understand a whit of character dialog or story until I got the English version. There's a huge, huge difference between basic pattern recognition, which allows you to play a game, and the language comprehension required to understand dialog and narrative. Not to mention that basic pattern recognition can be a constant - and draining - exercise in looking things up if there are a load of menus to sort through, which is likely to be the case in an Empires game.

Forgive me for "moaning" over the fact that I would want to enjoy the character interactions that Empires games tend to include, and the story modes new to this installment.
Oh God you make civilised points so much better than I ever could haha. :lol: :XD

I also did something similar to what you did with WOZ.... but since I couldn't use a Japanese translation guide (because I accidentally bought the Chinese/Asian version of the game) I had to use my PS2 WO1 manual to figure out the skills and weapon seals that encompassed the game.... and man was it a chore <_< lol. Luckily in the WO1 part of WOZ I didn't need any FAQs to unlock the support cast because I knew how to unlock them already by playing the PS2 port ^_^ . If only unlocking characters in WO2 was as fun as it was in its predecessor....

Ontopic, I'm hoping that we can somehow use troops in this installment, and for the A.I would be like DW3 or 4's.... I'm not hoping for too much now am I? Besides the actual overseas port of the game which I'm still crossing every toe and finger for....
Edited by FKA, Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:22 pm.
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Well since for some weird reason I can't find a way to delete my post. Lol looks like everything is taken care of. :whistle:
Edited by wolfrik, Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:15 pm.
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Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:16 am
Strikerdes
Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:55 am
Oh god the amount of moaning!
First off anyone thats having ago saying "lousy game" why don't you take yourself off here, clearly the post mentions samurai warriors 3:empires, so everything here will be about the "lousy game" itself!

Second, I don't understand a scrap of Japanese and it took me 2 seconds to revise the menus and such on xl/Z. Now I can play it fine, so don't say "we need a guide for the menu just to start the game" because it took me maximum 5 minutes!
Also anyone that is looking to buy xl/Z for PS3, every option on the menu has an English translation underneath, some don't but if you need any help discovering things then message me!
You do realise the Empires' franchise requires more knowledge of the Japanese language than XL/Z right? I guess you were too busy getting pissed off at everyone complaining that you totally passed the posts that elaborated on WHY everyone seems like a whiny ***** (me included).

Also you have to remember that this Empires game in particular is going to be somewhat more complex what with the building your own city (like in Nobunaga's Ambition or ROTK, games which one would absolutely fail at if people didn't play them in their native language). Add this to the fact that there are a crap load of sub menus and policies to go through rather than choosing a menu option and immediately going into battle proves your "took me 2 seconds to revise the menus..." nil and void.

So comparing XL/Z to Empires is quite stupid to be honest because lets face it, the former requires absolutely no knowledge of Japanese for it to be played effectively because:

a) Since SW3 was released on the wii overseas, people would only need to look up on youtube to understand the stories (and for the stories exclusive to XL/Z, there's always GameFAQ's), and get a pretty good grasp of everything from the get-go.

and,

b) The battles are pretty linear, so you'd be constantly have a hand to lead you to your next objective, rather than having to plan out your officers' movements and set out policies before the battle, and other things associated with Empires.

I also understand that using GameFaq's to help in Empires would be a smart idea as well, but in the end having to play the game and constantly stopping the game to look up translations of basically everything until you grasp enough of the basics to continue on wouldn't bode well with the flow of the game. If that makes sense....

Btw you moaning about everyone else moaning isn't going to help either. You could just ignore them (by pressing their name and choosing the ignore option in the bio.).

But to each his/her/its own I guess <_<
I think you should read the comment a few above mine, where the person commenting was moaning about not being able to get xl/Z because it's in Japanese!
Thats why I moaned about that and thats why you look like an idiot!

she wasn't the only one moaning about samurai warriors 3xl/z being in Japanese, I was just making it clear that it's not as impossible to play as people make out!
don't try making me look ignorant, I have played an empires game before and I no there is alot more to it then the ordinary game.
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Err... People can complain about a game, you know? It's a frikken' forum.
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Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:30 pm
Err... People can complain about a game, you know? It's a frikken' forum.
True but its nothing on topic about the actual game, just the releases...So if anyone complains they should take it too another thread...

Can someone confirm any famitsu scans. I wonder if the CAW would be improved from SW3 :o
Edited by CloudJJ, Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:11 pm.
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Complaining about the game is on topic. Its talking about SW3 which is what this is about and the release is about SW3 which is what this is about. :)
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Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:10 pm
20000 sigs is impossible...The samurai warriors facebook page only has 4k likes, and with people without fb, i doubt we'll get 20000 sigs. Sorry to sound like a douche but it aint happening.
That's pretty true. Petitions rarely work and 20,000 signatures for SW3:Z/XL/Empires is impossible. I doubt you could get that much even if it was for DW8. If all those people sign, I doubt KOEI would still bother to localize the game.

They could always decide later to release a complete collection for overseas if they think it's worth localizing 2 games.
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Bah next time KOEI say no instead of giving some people a very tiny bit of light at the end of the darkness :/
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I just hope they localize future Empire games; I thought the Emprie games were the better game since DWE 4.

When will they release more info on this game?
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Yeah. C'mon, 20,000 signatures? Sorry. It just seems unlikely.
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Xalfrea..im angry..im gonna say stuff when im upset if there is a specific game you and people are making irrational decision about the situation it happens same goes for you...but other wise Koei knew what they were doing when they released dynasty warriors six .,....I.E. make a game later on in the franchise that suck compared to the other then make the next installment the same as the ones before it and add a few new thing to and watch it sell twice as good ....( DW6 compared to DW7) Give you something horrible ..and give you something great now you love me more...that how selling merchandise goes...o yea and yes i still dont like WII...but thoes of you that have one we still kool :sly:
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Sigh at least I will have other games to play later this Summer though not any thats better than SW3 Empire's :(
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So is there still no new news on the game? My curiosity is eating away at me :/
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@Strikerdes,
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Btw.... yeah this petition is gonna do nothing for us. I think at the end of the day it'd depend on how much cash it reaps in over in the land of the rising sun.

I wonder how the stories are gonna be done.... are the devs going to go the route of of DW7 where there are set officers to play as, or maybe even include some SWC features in here by letting us use multiple people at the same time? I hope (probably in vain) that the latter will become a feature in this game hehehe.

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@Strikerdes,
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Btw.... yeah this petition is gonna do nothing for us. I think at the end of the day it'd depend on how much cash it reaps in over in the land of the rising sun.

I wonder how the stories are gonna be done.... are the devs going to go the route of of DW7 where there are set officers to play as, or maybe even include some SWC features in here by letting us use multiple people at the same time? I hope (probably in vain) that the latter will become a feature in this game hehehe.

Hopefully It'll be like Kingdom Mode, I mean, you are playing 10 clans so hopefully so. I hope (as its a big game as its seems with Story Mode and Empire mode) that they dont rush the story mode, like a mission mode where you just play stages, I hope there is drama, in game cutscenes, hell if they reuse the CG cutscenes and in game cutscenes from SW3, that'll still be good, they should make this game a really good one. And maybe a long story mode, as their's 10 clans, say make 5 of them the length of the DW7 knigdom stories and 5 of them about half the length + Empire mode, it'll have a good amount of hours into it. That's what I would like to see in it, and hopefully it'll sell well and be considered being released to us, only time can tell I suppose.
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I envision (lol I sound so old) the stories to have a sort of timeline where you choose the stage to play in, sort of like WO or DW Volume 2 on the PSP. The timelines would be divided into sections (like in the previous Empires games), and each clan would start in one of these sections. There could also be multiple parts to each clan's story too.

Say if I was the Oda, I would start at the Okehazama timeline, and would proceed along the timeline, choosing branching paths and what-not, until it ended at the battle of Okehazama (therefore concluding part 1). Then for Part 2, it would be the Azai-Asakura "arc", and then the final part would be the Honnouji "arc". :)

I'd like for some stories to intersect as well.

Oh I'd also love some elements of Kessen 1/3 to be inputted into this iteration as well, where you'd have a more interactive policy phase, where you're actually in a castle looking at your subjects proposing their ideas, rather than having cards.... this might be a little much though :/ .... haha oh well I can dream can't I? :P

Btw I also hope they re-use CG cutscenes from SW3Z. It'd save me the trouble of getting the latter hehehe.
Edited by FKA, Tue Jun 28, 2011 11:47 am.
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wolfrik
Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:51 pm
Complaining about the game is on topic. Its talking about SW3 which is what this is about and the release is about SW3 which is what this is about. :)
No it is not. This thread exists for a reason. Please use it. There are people on this board that are sick of reading through the pages and pages of mindless drivel. There are some here that are actually interested in discussing the game.

And before you say it, no I will not block you. I have faith that you're capable of contributing something interesting to this discussion, just as everyone else is. I'm not asking you to stop complaining (nor should anyone else), but please at least take it to the right place. We have threads for this for a reason. This is an information and discussion thread, not an every-other-post-whine-about-no-overseas-release thread.

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Anyway, I love the thought of clan mode being similar to DW7's kingdom mode, but I think some people's hopes are a tad too high. Asking for 5 DW7-length kingdom mode-like stories is a bit much, given that DW7 itself only had 4. Since we're getting 10 stories in addition to Empires mode and create your capital (mode?) I'd be more than happy if all stories were 4-7 stages long depending on the faction.

Though really, more than anything we need another scan to get discussion rolling. There's still not enough information on anything to really know for sure what direction they plan to take these things in.
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So, still no new informations about this game, huh? What about tonight?
If i remember correctly, we have gotten new informations for DW7 through Famitsu on Tuesday night/Wednesday morning. But every second week, right? Is this already the second week?
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Their was that one girl here that said a SW3 Empire's thread is about anything relating to this thread and what is the point in having one that is about SW3 Empire's if you can't say what you want about it. I couldn't agree more.

Though as others have said 3 sided battle's are the best to me. :)
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Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:54 pm
So, still no new informations about this game, huh? What about tonight?
If i remember correctly, we have gotten new informations for DW7 through Famitsu on Tuesday night/Wednesday morning. But every second week, right? Is this already the second week?
I don't think we had one other than the new screens and news we currently have, which was announced near a month ago. Well I think, someone correct me If I'm wrong. I think cause DW7 is more popular they did a weekly thing. But I want to know news on Story mode god damnit! I hope they make it like Kessen (I always wanted to move my soldiers starting points before battle)
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