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Sengoku Musou 3 Empires; August 2011
Topic Started: Tue May 31, 2011 2:42 am (81,397 Views)
YukiZM
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Fantaji
Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:29 pm
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Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:28 pm
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Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:25 pm
But... many of stories were repetitive and it was the same for the stages. Personally, I think a big story or a story by clan would be a better idea. We will have an overview with Samurai Warriors 3: Empires, the Story Mode by clan might be good.
But Free mode would be ruined. if they make it like clan mode well at least we'd have some clans not 3 like DW7.
Yup. For example, the Oda could have a Story Mode by clan, same with the Tokugawa, etc. But for some characters as perhaps Okuni and Magoichi, they may have a personal story.
Knowing Koei's laziness they would probably put Okuni and Magoichi in Free mode if there will be one. But then again I want to play as Yoshimoto at Okehazama on the Imagawa side and if Koei do that it would be ruined. Besides in Free mode I would prefer stages not scenes from a story mode like DW7.
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Maeda Toshiie
Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:28 pm
Fantaji
Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:25 pm
But... many of stories were repetitive and it was the same for the stages. Personally, I think a big story or a story by clan would be a better idea. We will have an overview with Samurai Warriors 3: Empires, the Story Mode by clan might be good.
But Free mode would be ruined. if they make it like clan mode well at least we'd have some clans not 3 like DW7.
Yup. For example, the Oda could have a Story Mode by clan, same with the Tokugawa, etc. But for some characters as perhaps Okuni and Magoichi, they may have a personal story.
Knowing Koei's laziness they would probably put Okuni and Magoichi in Free mode if there will be one. But then again I want to play as Yoshimoto at Okehazama on the Imagawa side and if Koei do that it would be ruined. Besides in Free mode I would prefer stages not scenes from a story mode like DW7.
If you wanna play Okehazama at Imagawa side, then go play SW1, SW2XL or SW3XL. It's time for the series to let go of things like that and just focus on important things like story.

Personally, I still think having one massive story would be the best option, because:
1) Each stage is played only once, there would be absolute no repetition
2) They can create a very epic story with loads of CG-cutscenes
3) Having only one big story saves a lot of time and they can focus on creating a new moveset system and such
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Agreeing with Fuuma and Fantaji.
One big Story Mode or some Clan Modes. I would like to see, how these look in SW.
DW7 made it very good in my opinion. Surely many characters have gotten neglected.
But i think the characters in SW will have a better treatment. Since there are not SO many characters like in DW7.

Also, since everyone is thinking of an SW4 announcement, because of that message from OdaKazuma, i would say, that i don't think it will be SW4.
It's too early for that. Next year would be more realistic.
But i think another realistic announcement somewhen this year would be Warriors Orochi 3.
It would work quite well with SW3 and DW7, since the latter one has the charge-system back.
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No! Each guy having their own story is why I fell in love with SW. You get to see what happens and what could happen with great people. You get to see what happens with every battle in many different point of views which makes the same battles feel like a whole other battle. I would hate to see another Cheesy fighting for peace Japanese movie and you only get to fight with another face and moves. It would also be so boring to just go by clan or Kindom in the war so boring in the end to just see each clan do the same in the end celebrate. They better keep it with each person having their own story or they will lose more fans than you think. To me the only thing it needs is more battles in story mode. In SW3 Story mode was badly neglected when to me its the best part of the game. :)
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Yes, those Story Modes for each characters were always good. I loved them too.
But i like to expand my experience with SW and see, how other things work.
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Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:00 pm
Agreeing with Fuuma and Fantaji.
One big Story Mode or some Clan Modes. I would like to see, how these look in SW.
DW7 made it very good in my opinion. Surely many characters have gotten neglected.
But i think the characters in SW will have a better treatment. Since there are not SO many characters like in DW7.
That's exactly the point. The reason I don't want them to add too many characters is because that way a lot will be negleted if they place to do DW7 route.

For those who still support individual stories, wouldn't you like to have variety in the series? I'm tired of playing the same stages over and over again (can't imagine completing all 40 stories in SW3Z), so having only one or a few stories really decreases the repetition.
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so what is new about this one?? cause this might be the only SM3 i import.

and my hopes for new characters are:

matsu
hideaki
yoshiaki
sorin
yoshitsugu
kennyo
tadaoki
hideie
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Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:01 pm
No! Each guy having their own story is why I fell in love with SW. You get to see what happens and what could happen with great people. You get to see what happens with every battle in many different point of views which makes the same battles feel like a whole other battle. I would hate to see another Cheesy fighting for peace Japanese movie and you only get to fight with another face and moves. It would also be so boring to just go by clan or Kindom in the war so boring in the end to just see each clan do the same in the end celebrate. They better keep it with each person having their own story or they will lose more fans than you think. To me the only thing it needs is more battles in story mode. In SW3 Story mode was badly neglected when to me its the best part of the game. :)
Finally someone agrees with me!
Besides I didn't like DW7 story that much I prefer everyone having 5 stages and how it was and hopefully will be, besides I don't want to see more characters being cut from the story mode again. And btw in SW2 AND SW1 it wasn't repetitive. Was Magoichi repetitive? Yoshihiro? Kotaro? Kenshin? Shingen? ect...
I don't think SW stages were repetitive at all, sure they shared the same stages sometimes but in story mode they always had different objectives. Besides SW3Z had everyone with a story mode and why not SW4?

Besides if SW4 had everyone with stages in his/her story plus something like conquest mode from DW or Mercenary Mode from SW2XL I think the game would be very good. Also since many gamers all they care about is online, they should improve the online system like playing co-op in Free/Story mode and conquest mode or something like a free roam and challenges with online.
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Fuuma
Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:41 pm
Maeda Toshiie
Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:51 pm
Fantaji
Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:29 pm
Maeda Toshiie
Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:28 pm
Fantaji
Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:25 pm
But... many of stories were repetitive and it was the same for the stages. Personally, I think a big story or a story by clan would be a better idea. We will have an overview with Samurai Warriors 3: Empires, the Story Mode by clan might be good.
But Free mode would be ruined. if they make it like clan mode well at least we'd have some clans not 3 like DW7.
Yup. For example, the Oda could have a Story Mode by clan, same with the Tokugawa, etc. But for some characters as perhaps Okuni and Magoichi, they may have a personal story.
Knowing Koei's laziness they would probably put Okuni and Magoichi in Free mode if there will be one. But then again I want to play as Yoshimoto at Okehazama on the Imagawa side and if Koei do that it would be ruined. Besides in Free mode I would prefer stages not scenes from a story mode like DW7.
If you wanna play Okehazama at Imagawa side, then go play SW1, SW2XL or SW3XL. It's time for the series to let go of things like that and just focus on important things like story.

Personally, I still think having one massive story would be the best option, because:
1) Each stage is played only once, there would be absolute no repetition
2) They can create a very epic story with loads of CG-cutscenes
3) Having only one big story saves a lot of time and they can focus on creating a new moveset system and such
Sorry but this Rubber Duck disagrees with you two. One reason why SW is awesome, is because of the characters, Ninjas, Samurais, People with guns. I'd rather play separate stories as what makes it good is because we get too see the different types of characters and their story. Some of the characters have a completely different story to others, thus is good, and if they do single clan stories, it's gonna turn out to be what DW7 failed to do, and make use of all the characters. Doesn't matter if it's the same stages over and over, each character has a different role in the battle. Also, best thing about separate stories, is you have that thing for unlocking characters.
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I think its about time that Samurai Warriors upgraded their story mode. So i think they should give the clan story thing a go and see how it works. You never know how good something is/will be until you actually try it.
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Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:33 pm
I think its about time that Samurai Warriors upgraded their story mode. So i think they should give the clan story thing a go and see how it works. You never know how good something is/will be until you actually try it.
Yes, a change would be nice considering we've had individual stories three times in a row now.

The best part of DW7 in my opinion was the new story system, and especially the Jin story. I hope SW can come up with as good, if not better storyline(s).
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sorry but isn't this a topic for SW3 empires? :?:
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Isn't Samurai Warriors 3 Empires already going to have a Story Mode? It'd be interesting to see how it works.
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Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:53 pm
Isn't Samurai Warriors 3 Empires already going to have a Story Mode? It'd be interesting to see how it works.
:XD I actually forgot about that part completely. No wonder because Empires games never have had one. Well I'm definately looking forward for it since it likely takes some element from DW7 (hopefully).
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Personally, I still think having one massive story would be the best option, because:
1) Each stage is played only once, there would be absolute no repetition
2) They can create a very epic story with loads of CG-cutscenes
3) Having only one big story saves a lot of time and they can focus on creating a new moveset system and such
Play Samurai Warriors Chronicles.

(Granted you can still play Ueda Castle twice, but that's history for you)
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Personally, I still think having one massive story would be the best option, because:
1) Each stage is played only once, there would be absolute no repetition
2) They can create a very epic story with loads of CG-cutscenes
3) Having only one big story saves a lot of time and they can focus on creating a new moveset system and such
Play Samurai Warriors Chronicles.

(Granted you can still play Ueda Castle twice, but that's history for you)
1) It's not a proper next-gen SW game
2) I don't have Nintendo 3DS
3) The characters are from SW3, no new characters
4) Gameplay is from SW3

Enough for me.
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The main issue with doing a "clan story" type of game like DW7, is how do you pick which ones to feature? In DW it's very easy because there's the three kingdoms that the story revolves around.

SW on the other hand, takes it's material from a time where there's no convenient literary focus on several groups. The events are much less centralized: one could write a story for the Date clan and never once need to mention Oda Nobunaga.

Also unlike DW, SW has three times are many groups to focus on, most of which have very long-lasting standings in the overall "story" of the time.

There's also so much clan overlap it's not even funny. If we had, say, Oda, Hashiba/Toyotomi, Chosokabe, Tokugawa and Uesugi as clan stories, all of these would overlap with each other: Hashiba/Toyotomi and Tokugawa would overlap onto Oda stages and each others', Chosokabe and Uesugi would overlap with Toyotomi stages and Tokugawa stages.

Then there's the fact some clans like Oda have a ton of characters, even more than the kingdoms in DW do if you include the Toyotomi characters under Oda since that's where many served for a long time(and for some like Hideyoshi and Toshiie, have their shining moments.) Then you have those like Date, Shimazu and Mori that have all of one person representing them.

To summarize, I think a "clan storyline" would be a bad idea as a main SW game. SW3Empires is already doing a clan storyline mode, but as an extra mode to the main one, which I think is the best option.

Of course, we're not even getting SW3E so nyeh.
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True the online feature should be worked on more to me should be able to fight together and against each other. It would be great if you could choose to be on one side of a battle and another person be on the other side. I would love to fight someone AND their whole army and not just one person. :)
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I just find that many stories have been much repeated in Samurai Warriors 3: Z, especially that there were not many maps. I will not be against a personal story for each of the characters if they all had a unique story.
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The main issue with doing a "clan story" type of game like DW7, is how do you pick which ones to feature? In DW it's very easy because there's the three kingdoms that the story revolves around.
I agree with you to an extent, but the way I see it is they can either group characters into clans where possible and give the clan a longer story, or they can try to give all 40+ characters their own individual 5-stage story.

I mean, there's nothing stopping them from say doing something like this:

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(might've screwed up the order on some of that and probably forgot some important ones, but forgive me - I think the idea itself still holds)

So that's more or less what I came up with without even trying to be creative with new stages or characters (it's essentially just grouping characters into more cohesive storylines. There is plenty of room there to add, remove, or change). I don't think it really matters that a lot of characters move between factions because they can really show up in any story where it makes sense.

Sure there's some repetition here, but it's okay when you're repeating a stage ~3-4 times. It's not okay anymore when you're forced to repeat it ~20 times.

There would just have to be a stronger narrative part to tie everything together so that the player doesn't get confused.

As far as I'm concerned they can't keep up the 5 stage individual stories forever. Even in SW3 I find there's way too many stories and far too many with way too much repetition. Of course this could be remedied by including more stages and making some interesting fictional stories, but unfortunately i don't think a lot of people want that. The other obvious solution is to do like DW7 (but not too much like DW7) and group characters into factions. Just this time allow us to select any character we want to play a certain stage after it's been completed once (like DW7XL?)

This can be extended past these three clans as well, I just figured I would enumerate the possibilities for them since they're generally very similar (but at the same time, as I think you can see above they can be pretty different -- sure they all start with Okehazama, but the same can be said with DW and the yellow turban rebellion). In particular I'm not sure it's necessary to have an entire story for the likes of Chosokabe, Mouri, Shimazu, Tachibana, Date, etc. until they get more characters in their clan, but I see no harm in throwing each a stage or two that was important to them wherever it fits nicely. But the likes of Hojo, Uesugi, Takeda, Azai, etc. could all receive their own stories (though probably not as long as the unifier's)

Well, that was a bit of a rant, but hopefully someone will take the time to read it.
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This is how I would do the story. Since it's a bit off-topic I'll put it in spoilers (there are really not any official SW4 threads...).

Each stage is assigned to a particular character, like in DW7:

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I'd still rather have individual stories for SW. Though if the clan storylines are enjoyable in Empires I might change my mind haha.

What I was thinking though, to decrease the amount of stages being played again and again in everyone's stories, there could be shared stories. Say a story revolving around Mitsuhide and Motochika where both of them are playable in the one story (or playable in set parts ala DW7). Instead of playing seperate stories for these two that basically have the same storyline, their stories would be combined, therefore making the actual story longer and decreasing the need to repeat the same stage for the nth time. Just my two cents though.

Also, am I the only one who understands why there are Free Mode characters, and actually likes them (not in excess though like DW6... ugh).
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I believe it should have clan mode that it will have story for a clan and Character story mode so you will have to beat two stories, so in the clan mode you will learn the true story of te clan and you wil be able to choose from the characters that will praticipate in the battle, and in Story mode as usual.

Guys sorry that i will go off topic but i realy want to know that, to download a DLC at X box 360 i need the game instaled or no?I ask this because my old had RROD before 6 months and now i am going to buy a Xbox 360 slim and most likely the 4GB one because its cheap.Again sorry i get of topic
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Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:40 pm
I believe it should have clan mode that it will have story for a clan and Character story mode so you will have to beat two stories, so in the clan mode you will learn the true story of te clan and you wil be able to choose from the characters that will praticipate in the battle, and in Story mode as usual.

Guys sorry that i will go off topic but i realy want to know that, to download a DLC at X box 360 i need the game instaled or no?I ask this because my old had RROD before 6 months and now i am going to buy a Xbox 360 slim and most likely the 4GB one because its cheap.Again sorry i get of topic
Nope no need to be installed or anything ;)

On Topic.
This time I hope in the weeks famistu we will have more info about the game. it missed 2 already Dx
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What if this game comes bundled with 3Z? Wouldn't that be cool? (overseas of course)
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