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Sengoku Musou 3 Empires; August 2011
Topic Started: Tue May 31, 2011 2:42 am (81,387 Views)
Fūma
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:27 pm
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:50 pm
Why on earth should Dosan Saito ever appear in the SW series? He has never appeared a generic in the games, let alone he dies in 1556 which is years before Okehazama...

If Koei is not gonna add Mototada Torii for the next SW game and bring at least Musashi back, I will officially lose any faith to Koei I have left.
Well, there are a variety of reasons, really..

1) He and Saitou Yoshitatsu were really the most prominent members of the Mino Saitou clan. And the clan could use some representation other than Noh, Hanbei, and Mitsuhide--none of whom really represent the clan well as they're more of Oda players than anything else.
2) He would add a (desperately) needed dynamic to Noh. Possible interaction with Hanbei, Nobunaga, etc.
3) We need more early players. SW3 did a good job with adding Ujiyasu and Motonari, but in order to see more early battles we need early characters. Simple as that, really.
4) There's nothing wrong with letting the characters live past their death date, as has happened with mostly everyone at some point in the series. So his death in 1556 doesn't mean a whole lot.
5) IIRC there's actually been some decent (not spectacular, but still) support for his inclusion from the Japanese fanbase. He also appeared in Nobunaga's opening in SW1 and there was concept art for him from WO, which shows that KOEI has some interest in bringing him to the series.
6) He was a badass

I mean... I just find it strange that you point him out when pretty much ALL of the people depicted weren't super important, possible exception of Yoshiaki. They're still all worthwhile additions as far as I'm concerned though.
Well, I just pointed him out of the group... lol

But anyway, you gave me enough reasons to support his inclusion. I'm not saying I want him to be in the next game, but I ain't against it either. Koei tends to expand the lifespan of early important characters (such as Ujiyasu and Motonari), so I can see it happening.

Still, just god damn bring back Musashi! If Gracia returned then I see no reason why he shouldn't (and Kojiro for that matter).
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Samurai Warriors 3 Empires -- 20 brand new Screenshots released

Here is the source:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/galleries/2011/08/25/samurai_warriors_3_empires_screens/





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Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:00 pm
Samurai Warriors 3 Empires -- 20 brand new Screenshots released

Here is the source:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/galleries/2011/08/25/samurai_warriors_3_empires_screens/
Why does it seem ike the graphics look somehow worse than in SW3Z?

Anyway, that city building thing or whatever it is called looks quite interesting.
Edited by Fūma, Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:52 pm.
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Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:00 pm
Samurai Warriors 3 Empires -- 20 brand new Screenshots released

Here is the source:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/galleries/2011/08/25/samurai_warriors_3_empires_screens/
Why does it seem ike the graphics look somehow worse than in SW3Z?
^ This
seriously they look very bad o_0
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Graphics do look pretty bad but I know it wont in SW 4!! :cool:
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Good that they are not playable characters, because Mori... well if it were Terumoto instead then I understand choice, but with this one... I also don`t want shogun being playable. Dosan Saito... there are many points for and against his inclusion. Kansuke Yamamoto, not sure either, he remind me Xiahou Dun that not bad at all. Dosetsu Tachibana??? Better Otomo Sorin, we already have two Tachibana. Last one Kojuro will be good choice, sure make him playable KOEI!
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Are these generals playable, but with generic weapons?

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I have played empires and I have realised something which I need others to help me confirm.

There are two modes which you can play.
History and free

When I play free mode it starts me with a story and I can play multi player with this.

When I play history mode I can only play 1 play?
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Famitsu gave the game a 9/9/8/8.

according to, http://www.1up.com/news/japan-review-check-black-rock, the editors praised the addictive castle building as well as agressive enemy A.I (thankyou Koei!!!!).

@Oreadia, I'm sorry but I don't have the game so I can't confirm anything. How is it btw? Are the stories still interesting?
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Aggressive enemy for sure.
This time you do not die as HP go away...

You have a soldier meter, this soldier meter is actually your remaining life bar (morale bar).
You have a life bar already and if you die, you will receive a message saying "Soldier value down". This soldier value down is to tell you that your amount of soldiers have dropped but you gained a new full health bar to carry on playing.

The game overall is very attractive, I am very attracted to the strategy part of it even though I keep screwing up at the starting point.
You are allowed to have so many buildings in your city and you will have to know good Japanese (I know a little and I still find it difficult) or a good FAQ to carry on playing in the strategy mode.

I am currently playing with my brother and in the 2 players screen you still lose sight of solders when there are too many (it doesn't load as fast).

If you play Hell difficulty (chaos), your captured bases will fall to enemy quickly. You capture B and by the time you are done with it your main camp is in danger.
The enemy is EXTREMELY aggressive. (I mean if you have 2 bases and capturing the 3rd)

Story wise... as I said the story mode seem to only be 1 play... I am currently playing with my brother and we are playing on another mode. I think it's free mode which you can take control of every officer as the lord? (I am not sure about this, please correct me)
I still need to test on the story side of it but we get tons and tons of cut scenes.
If you like the seiyuu (Voice Actor) you will love this game. They talk in every cut scene, so please expect a short limited amount of cut scenes.

I haven't seen any movies yet so I can't comment on that.

Currently playing Nobunaga Oda, I DO NOT have Mitsuhide in my family so I do not know if Honojii will appear THIS WAY)


I will comment more tonight as I play more.
Feel free to ask anything I will try to answer them all.


EDIT: One more key point.
You can hire anybody you want but please watch your money.
You will have to pay your generals salary (yes even the generic).
You can control generics and you can get power, speed etc weapons with them.

I have not created any generals yet but I am disappointed.
The Create an officer mode is EXACTLY the same as before.
Edited by Oreadia, Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:32 am.
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@Oreadia, thanks for the info :) . Gah if only it wasn't Japan only D;

Could you, if its no trouble, post a video on the mechanics, and overall gameplay for this game? It'd be cool to see what we're missing out on ^_^ .

Btw, are the graphics crap? I saw some screenshots of it and oh my.... I was shocked at how crap they looked. :/ A definite downgrade from SW3Z's from what I've seen (but please prove me wrong and say everything looks amazing....).

Again, thanks for the info Oreadia :)

Edit: A few more questions hehe. Are your allies as aggressive as your enemies? And can you control your own batch of troops? Or is the morale bar reflective of the whole army?
Edited by FKA, Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:40 am.
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The moracle affects the whole army.
Unlike previous empires games where you have to hire soliders. This time you create a soldier house and your soldiers will recover automatically by time.

Allies are controlled by the moracle. There was one battle which I played 1 play.
I went to toilet and I forgot to pause.
When I come out they have captured half of the screen (it was 2 - 3 minutes break).
They are not as strong as the enemy but they're not weak at all.

I cannot post a video as my recording program is left in England. I will keep an eye on youtube for any videos posted.

The graphics doesn't look crap, I think it looks exactly the same as SW3Z. There is no improvements what so ever this is what I am concerned.
However I am a gameplay man, the graphics doesn't hurt me.
Even if it goes back to 2D I am ok as long as the game is fun.

I think the graphics looks just fine. Do not worry about the graphics.

Please do not compare a Koei game with a Capcom or Square Enix game. Street Fighter has way better graphics.


One down compare to before.
D Pad
Up = Attack
Down = Defence
Left + Right = Do whatever you want

Back then Left is come to me while right is do whatever you want.
The protection part will be missed.

Lastly you can only do attack, defence but you cannot order your officers to capture whatever as this option is also gone.
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@Oreadia, really, is the function where you could order your officers to do specific tasks gone? OH THAT SUCKS!!!! But thankyou for the information anyway :)

There was a random moment in that post though concerning you saying not to compare Koei games to Square Enix and Capcom's games. Lol. :P

And oh if you can't record then that's ok :)
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Hey guys! I just saw a video of gameplay of the Takeda Clan in SW3E! It's AMAZING!

Here it is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdWC0G4-le4
Edited by Masato, Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:41 pm.
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Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:41 pm
Hey guys! I just saw a video of gameplay of the Takeda Clan in SW3E! It's AMAZING!

Here it is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdWC0G4-le4
Nice, I'm glad they didn't re-use cutscenes from SW3 (so far). It also seems the clan stories aren't supposed to be historically accurate at all (due to Yukimura's inclusion, although it was predictable).

However, looks like they failed to fix the attack speed problem. Too bad...
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This game has bugs.
I have just encountered my first "screen freeze".
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There are new cut scenes ?
Kunoichi is back in Takeda's service !
OK, you have a full moveset from the begining ?
And level grows horrendously fast !
Edited by Nghet, Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:57 pm.
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Level grows fast but you don't keep it.
When you start a new stage it goes back to level 1.

I have unlocked some flags due to preorder bonus and... my Tadakatsu starts the stage at level 10.
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Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:19 pm
This game has bugs.
I have just encountered my first "screen freeze".
That sucks. Hopefully it was a bit of a fluke or it'll be patched. Any idea what might have caused it (did you do anything funny or was it seemingly random)?
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Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:24 pm
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This game has bugs.
I have just encountered my first "screen freeze".
That sucks. Hopefully it was a bit of a fluke or it'll be patched. Any idea what might have caused it (did you do anything funny or was it seemingly random)?
I walked into a zone at the same time using musou at the same time somebody from the enemy side talked and 2 officers of my side died to enemy officers. :o
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Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:29 pm
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Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:24 pm
Oreadia
Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:19 pm
This game has bugs.
I have just encountered my first "screen freeze".
That sucks. Hopefully it was a bit of a fluke or it'll be patched. Any idea what might have caused it (did you do anything funny or was it seemingly random)?
I walked into a zone at the same time using musou at the same time somebody from the enemy side talked and 2 officers of my side died to enemy officers. :o
Well, the game did just come out, so it's likely to have a few bugs and glitches here and there. Hopefully a patch will fix it.

Looking at the graphics, eh.

Seen worse.
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So ChibiGingi will you write a Review for us to read?? XD BTW could you please upload the OP to Youtube? I'm dying to see it!
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Hmm....after watching that video, it doesn't look all that hard to figure out...if I can find it cheap, I'll go after it.
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Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:46 pm
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Fri Aug 26, 2011 1:41 pm
Hey guys! I just saw a video of gameplay of the Takeda Clan in SW3E! It's AMAZING!

Here it is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdWC0G4-le4
Nice, I'm glad they didn't re-use cutscenes from SW3 (so far). It also seems the clan stories aren't supposed to be historically accurate at all (due to Yukimura's inclusion, although it was predictable).

However, looks like they failed to fix the attack speed problem. Too bad...
There are a few more videos on NicoVid (here, btw) and it looks like it does reuse videos from SW3Z. At least Shingen's does.
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Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:36 pm
So ChibiGingi will you write a Review for us to read?? XD BTW could you please upload the OP to Youtube? I'm dying to see it!
My copy just arrived. After playing for a bit I'll post some impressions and a full review eventually.

I imagine the opening should be up somewhere soon. It's quite beautiful though. I really like the new art style. I think it's really fitting for the series, hope they stick with it.
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