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Sengoku Musou 3 Empires; August 2011
Topic Started: Tue May 31, 2011 2:42 am (81,380 Views)
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Who is the last one (the least popular)? Just curious...

I'm surprised at the top ten. The only somewhat cool character there in my opinion is Sakon, rest are boring (although Motonari is quite interesting too).
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The last one is Ieyasu, which is surprising because I thought he would of been a lot more popular... Mitsunari being first is a surprise too.
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How ironic... Mitsunari is the most popular and Ieyasu the least. I prefer Ieyasu a lot more since he doesn't act like an idiot and actually has a good moveset (unlike Mitsunari).
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People actually LIKE Mitsunari? Huh... Shouldn't be surprised, he's a pretty boy with a cold, yet inwardly weak and vulnerable personality. They eat that **** up over there.
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Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:04 pm
Just watched Mori Motonari's Empire Story ending seems like the Mori story revolves alot around Sue Harukata and the conflicts around Miyajima right? Can someone please explain? I'm gutted about not being able to play it but complaining isn't going to make it arive at my front door.
So what is Mori's story about?
Motonari's story starts with Amago Haruhisa's overwhelming assault on the Mori's land of Aki very early in Motonari's career(this is when the Mori were as weak as the Oda were when Nobunaga started out.) He is rescued by his old friend Hironaka Takakane and Takakane's superior Sue Harukata, the famous "General of Saikoku." Harukata declares his intent to protect and help the weak such as the Mori.

Later, the Ouchi and Mori counterattack the Amago, but fall into Haruhisa's trap and are devastated. In the retreat, Harukata bemoans having a weak-willed leader like Ouchi Yoshitaka, and asks for Takakane and Motonari's help to unite and overthrow Yoshitaka. Motonari stays neutral, having sensed that Harukata's true nature is his drive for ambition and power.

Motonari kills the leader of the Kikkawa and also manipulates the Kobayakawa family into his control, with his sons taking head of those clans. He then devises a plot to defeat Harukata at Itsukushima, which the latter falls for entirely despite Takakane's warnings. Both are killed and the Ouchi soon fall into Mori's control. Motonari remembers Takakane's favorite saying "Hyakuman Isshin"(which is effectively the same as "Many in body, one in mind.")

From there on, the battles with the Amago unfold, then there's a big timeskip to where the Oda first start fighting the Mori with Yamanaka Shikanosuke in their ranks. So on, so forth.

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As for the poll, the top ten is pretty close to what I'd expect, even though I'm not a big fan of Mitsunari and Kanetsugu. Sad that Ieyasu is dead last, but also kinda understandable considering most of the fanbase probably doesn't gravitate to that kind of character, both design and personality-wise. Was surprised that Hideyoshi is so low though, and find it funny that Ina is in the top ten yet the other Tokugawa folk don't even break 20.
Edited by SRS, Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:53 pm.
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LOL i don't know if this is just coincidence or not but both of my favorite from DW and SW are on the position #19 (Da Qiao and Okuni ), maybe it's a sign from god that 19 should be my favorite number :lol:

and here's the complete result of #11-40

11. Kunoichi
12. Ujiyasu Hojo
13. Mitsuhide Akechi
14. Nene
15. Motochika Chosokabe
16. Kaihime
17. Nobunaga Oda
18. Kanbei Kuroda
19. Okuni
20. Magoichi Saika
21. Oichi
22. Muneshige Tachibana
23. Aya Gozen
24. Ginchiyo Tachibana
25. Kotaro Fuuma
26. Keiji Maeda
27. Ranmaru Mori
28. Nagamasa Azai
29. Tadakatsu Honda
30. Nouhime
31. Hanzo Hattori
32. Toshiie Maeda
33. Masanori Fukushima
34. Katsuie Shibata
35. Yoshimoto Imagawa
36. Hideyoshi Toyotomi
37. Kenshin Uesugi
38. Shingen Takeda
39. Yoshihiro Shimazu
40. Ieyasu Tokugawa
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Well it seems that my favorite,Nouhime, is the most none liked female of the group and is quite low.:/ I'm really surprised but oh well.
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so what's the point of this pole?
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wow lol you mean to tell me the guy who wins and conquers Japan in the end is the least favourite character in Japan?...really?!...
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Figures. I think it's because Ieyasu isn't a pretty boy like Mitsunari. A lot of the Japanese fans tend to lean towards bishie types rather than the older, veteran-ish types. (Sakon is an exception IMO)



Edited by Barnzi88, Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:06 am.
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:04 am
Figures. I think it's because Ieyasu isn't a pretty boy like Mitsunari. A lot of the Japanese fans tend to lean towards bishie types rather than the older, veteran-ish types. (Sakon is an exception IMO)



I think they're drawn to Sakon by his attitude and personality, as well as his association with Mitsunari. I love Sakon- he's one of my favorites as far as the SW series goes, as well as the liberties they took with him in WO2. I mean, who'd guess he'd be the main character in the Sengoku forces?

Sakon isn't all out pretty boy, but he does have a certain appeal that some ladies would like in a REAL man. He's perfect for me, given I like my men to actually look like men, but still have a rather dashing appearance.
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From what I understand, if there are Sengoku-fiction works that don't focus on Nobunaga and Hideyoshi, it's mostly demonizing Ieyasu and making Mitsunari a hero. Would be interesting to see a Sengoku buff give an opinion on the popularity of Mitsunari.

As for my opinions on the Top 10, I do like how Sakon is there. He's probably one of the most well thought out unique characters in SW. Also not surprised about Motonari. He's like the Sengoku Chuck Norris, apparently.

Like what happened in the DW poll choices, I'm curious to see how it would be from a Western POV.

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O.O Mitsunari's first? Really? Happy that Gracia's third :) .

I'm actually surprised at the popularity pole.... I mean, why aren't any of the ninja in the top 10?

@Xalfrea, Really? I thought Ieyasu would've been portrayed in a more positive light, because he did re-unite Japan again (unless there's some demonic things he did that I have no knowledge about?). It was thanks to the likes of Onimusha (specifically Dawn Of Dreams) and the first Kessen that made me assume that the Japanese public liked the Tokugawa more.

Also thanks Ligh the Light for the link :)
Edited by FKA, Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:10 am.
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From what I read up, Ieyasu is in fact portrayed in a more positive light, far more so than his two predecessors. The only time he seems subject to demonization is when it involves Mitsunari.
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:04 am
Figures. I think it's because Ieyasu isn't a pretty boy like Mitsunari. A lot of the Japanese fans tend to lean towards bishie types rather than the older, veteran-ish types. (Sakon is an exception IMO)



yea but at least have some appreciation for the guy you know? i mean im sure it wasn't easy conquering all of Japan:p. I bet if they made Ieyasu look like the Ieyasu in Basara then we'd have a totally different poll standing lol. Although now back to SW3 Empires there's not many videos out suprisingly. I was hoping to see what other cutscenes are or battles and what not.
Edited by Crazypete, Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:09 am.
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Well, Ieyasu is actually a pig... A Man driven by Ambition with no regards for anyone but himself. There are a number of theories that he was responsible for the death of many of historical figures especially the poisoning of Uesugi Kenshin and Toyotomi Hideyoshi, planning Honnoji with Akechi Mitsuhide, etc...

I really despise that man and the foolish politics that he and his descendants used to control Japan. The World would be much better if it Japan was at the hands of Oda Nobunga and his descendants. Or even with Hideyoshi...
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:25 pm
Well, Ieyasu is actually a pig... A Man driven by Ambition with no regards for anyone but himself. There are a number of theories that he was responsible for the death of many of historical figures especially the poisoning of Uesugi Kenshin and Toyotomi Hideyoshi, planning Honnoji with Akechi Mitsuhide, etc...

I really despise that man and the foolish politics that he and his descendants used to control Japan. The World would be much better if it Japan was at the hands of Oda Nobunga and his descendants. Or even with Hideyoshi...
That's not really true... He trusted his vassals, and I don't even recall a situation in history where some of his men would've abandoned his forces. Especially at Sekigahara, many who were originally loyal to Hideyoshi chose to side with Ieyasu and not Mitsunari (i.e Kiyomasa, Kanbei...).

Even in the game, Ieyasu is very patient, trusts his vassals and treats them well. Mitsunari, on the other hand, acts like a dickhead and is abandoned by his former allies because they know Ieyasu will win.

And I don't know where you're getting the poisoning of Kenshin and Hideyoshi. Just made it up to make him look bad? :hmmm:

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Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:53 pm
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:25 pm
Well, Ieyasu is actually a pig... A Man driven by Ambition with no regards for anyone but himself. There are a number of theories that he was responsible for the death of many of historical figures especially the poisoning of Uesugi Kenshin and Toyotomi Hideyoshi, planning Honnoji with Akechi Mitsuhide, etc...

I really despise that man and the foolish politics that he and his descendants used to control Japan. The World would be much better if it Japan was at the hands of Oda Nobunga and his descendants. Or even with Hideyoshi...
That's not really true... He trusted his vassals, and I don't even recall a situation in history where some of his men would've abandoned his forces. Especially at Sekigahara, many who were originally loyal to Hideyoshi chose to side with Ieyasu and not Mitsunari (i.e Kiyomasa, Kanbei...).

Even in the game, Ieyasu is very patient, trusts his vassals and treats them well. Mitsunari, on the other hand, acts like a dickhead and is abandoned by his former allies because they know Ieyasu will win.

And I don't know where you're getting the poisoning of Kenshin and Hideyoshi. Just made it up to make him look bad? :hmmm:

^ Yea since Kenshin was killed by an assassin while he was in his lavatory xD and Hideyoshi died of some sickness.

I'm too surprised that Mitsunari came first and even Gracia becoming 3rd. I was more expecting Motochika or Kiyomasa to come one of the firsts.
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:53 pm
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:25 pm
Well, Ieyasu is actually a pig... A Man driven by Ambition with no regards for anyone but himself. There are a number of theories that he was responsible for the death of many of historical figures especially the poisoning of Uesugi Kenshin and Toyotomi Hideyoshi, planning Honnoji with Akechi Mitsuhide, etc...

I really despise that man and the foolish politics that he and his descendants used to control Japan. The World would be much better if it Japan was at the hands of Oda Nobunga and his descendants. Or even with Hideyoshi...
That's not really true... He trusted his vassals, and I don't even recall a situation in history where some of his men would've abandoned his forces. Especially at Sekigahara, many who were originally loyal to Hideyoshi chose to side with Ieyasu and not Mitsunari (i.e Kiyomasa, Kanbei...).

Even in the game, Ieyasu is very patient, trusts his vassals and treats them well. Mitsunari, on the other hand, acts like a dickhead and is abandoned by his former allies because they know Ieyasu will win.

And I don't know where you're getting the poisoning of Kenshin and Hideyoshi. Just made it up to make him look bad? :hmmm:

I didn't made that up. Ieyasu had an good public image, but he actually planned the poisoning of both Kenshin and Hideyoshi according to some theories and letters written by him.

Kenshin was one of the biggest treat to his power so he ordered some of his men that were infiltrated in the Uesugi Clan to put poison in Kenshin's booze... It was successful and Kenshin died in 1580 (Or it was in the beggining of 1582?)

Hideyoshi was the last of Ieyasu's problems and the last stepping stone in his desire to rule the land. There are some records that Hideyoshi was found in his room with a dark gray tone in his skin, 2 hours after meeting Ieyasu.

And finally, Nobunaga was a man hard to be friends because he always underestimated and embarrassed most of his allies. Mitsuhide despised Nobunaga after being yelled at a meeting with Ieyasu... Ieyasu suggested Mitsuhide to rebel and so he did.

Ieyasu could simply stop and help rebuilding the land under the Toyotomi banner but he desired more, that resulted in the Battle of Sekigahara and the Siege of Osaka.

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^ Yea since Kenshin was killed by an assassin while he was in his lavatory xD and Hideyoshi died of some sickness.
The Sickness was result of poisoning and the Assassin was a man of the Tokugawa... There are several theories lol
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:26 pm
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:53 pm
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Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:25 pm
Well, Ieyasu is actually a pig... A Man driven by Ambition with no regards for anyone but himself. There are a number of theories that he was responsible for the death of many of historical figures especially the poisoning of Uesugi Kenshin and Toyotomi Hideyoshi, planning Honnoji with Akechi Mitsuhide, etc...

I really despise that man and the foolish politics that he and his descendants used to control Japan. The World would be much better if it Japan was at the hands of Oda Nobunga and his descendants. Or even with Hideyoshi...
That's not really true... He trusted his vassals, and I don't even recall a situation in history where some of his men would've abandoned his forces. Especially at Sekigahara, many who were originally loyal to Hideyoshi chose to side with Ieyasu and not Mitsunari (i.e Kiyomasa, Kanbei...).

Even in the game, Ieyasu is very patient, trusts his vassals and treats them well. Mitsunari, on the other hand, acts like a dickhead and is abandoned by his former allies because they know Ieyasu will win.

And I don't know where you're getting the poisoning of Kenshin and Hideyoshi. Just made it up to make him look bad? :hmmm:

I didn't made that up. Ieyasu had an good public image, but he actually planned the poisoning of both Kenshin and Hideyoshi according to some theories and letters written by him.

Kenshin was one of the biggest treat to his power so he ordered some of his men that were infiltrated in the Uesugi Clan to put poison in Kenshin's booze... It was successful and Kenshin died in 1580 (Or it was in the beggining of 1582?)

Hideyoshi was the last of Ieyasu's problems and the last stepping stone in his desire to rule the land. There are some records that Hideyoshi was found in his room with a dark gray tone in his skin, 2 hours after meeting Ieyasu.

And finally, Nobunaga was a man hard to be friends because he always underestimated and embarrassed most of his allies. Mitsuhide despised Nobunaga after being yelled at a meeting with Ieyasu... Ieyasu suggested Mitsuhide to rebel and so he did.

Ieyasu could simply stop and help rebuilding the land under the Toyotomi banner but he desired more, that resulted in the Battle of Sekigahara and the Siege of Osaka.
:huh: Sure I heard plenty that Mistuhide's rebellion was planned by Ieyasu, but killing Kenshin and Hideyoshi? source please.
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The source was a few books and theories that I've read on several occasions... Especially this book http://www.fastcommerce.com.br/sistema/ListaProdutos.asp?IDLoja=10138&Det=True&IDProduto=2144897&q=Sengoku+Jidai+Oda+Nobunaga and a few thesis presented in conferences about the Sengoku Period.
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Not going to sit here and get into historical figure Ieyasu vs media portrayal of Ieyasu (because, well, that's conversation for the History section), but I will say that Koei's done a damn good job with handling Ieyasu. He's neither a Jesus-Christ figure (Basara lol) nor is he a monster (Onimusha), but is somewhere in between. If you're playing on the Western army's side, you're going to see the ambitious, cold and calculating beast, but if you play on the Eastern side, you'll see that he's patient, caring to his vassals and generals, and seems really torn up about having to be the 'villain', if it is meant to unify the land.

However, because he is not an EXTREME character, and not pretty, many fans overlook him. That's just how it goes- who the hell am I to question the Japanese fans. These are their historical heroes, they obviously know more than I ever will, and their taste is their own.

That won't stop me from making a 'really?' face when I see Mitsunari take the lead in a popularity poll. Seriously... he's an a**hole.
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I have a question concerning the pre-order bonus, i.e. the code for special banners. Is it really working? I've heard that it was working only on the day of release and now all DLC costs 100 yen. It seems that it's useless if you receive your copy later.
Somebody, please answer me.

upd: I have another question... It seems that it is not possible to give orders to the allied officers this time as it used to be in SW2E. How come? and why is my officer level 1 each time I start? I'm confused.
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I'm surprised by just two things on that poll: Gracia rating that high, and Ina even breaking the Top Ten. The remaining members of the Top Ten are not a huge surprise.

As for Mitsunari vs Ieyasu, in my view it seems the developers took great pains to portray neither one as an outright villain from SW2 onward. While SW2 seemed to slant it toward the Mitsunari side by a huge hell of a lot Ieyasu's portrayal in that game was significantly better than it was in the first SW.

By SW: Chronicles, you have these portrayals:

Mitsunari, who is indebted to Hideyoshi, wishes to uphold the house of Toyotomi at all costs to repay everything. It's personal, it's what he feels he must do to repay the kindness of his lord. He is an idealist.

Ieyasu, one of Nobunaga's longtime allies and the last remaining general from that time, sees this as something of an obligation to bring the unification-- the true unification that ushers a time of peace. He knows, and in that game, even Hideyoshi knows, that Hideyoshi's unification would not last (and heck, this seems somewhat reflected in history considering what Hideyoshi did right after said unification). The thing that really gets across is he is willing to get his hands dirty and step on people if it meant getting that era of peace.

ED: on second reflection, going by the poll it seems Koei had a good idea which characters to cut their story modes for in vanilla SW3 since most of them rated rather low on the poll, with only Gracia and Okuni breaking the top 20.

ED 2: Anyone with a good grasp of Japanese can let us know what it says under the blurbs for the Top Ten? I'm sure it's on a similar vein to the DW ones, but I'm curious all the same.
Edited by Amakusa, Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:40 am.
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ED 2: Anyone with a good grasp of Japanese can let us know what it says under the blurbs for the Top Ten? I'm sure it's on a similar vein to the DW ones, but I'm curious all the same.
Character quotes, most likely. Sakon's first line is "Thank you very much," so it probably goes for the same for the rest of the top ten.

Though I am surprised that my two favorite characters are near the bottom, which shows you can not compete against the mass Japanese popularity polls.. *laughs*
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