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| [08-24-2012] Hyakku-mon nin no Sengoku Musou; Prepare for the unleash of new characters in future games Samurai Warriors Games! | |
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| AntonKutovoi | Tue Jan 3, 2012 2:39 pm Post #351 |
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Now that's strange. Maybe It's not a final information, because on the renders of some characters (Senhime or Nobutada, for example) we can clearly see new weapons. |
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| WarHawk | Tue Jan 3, 2012 2:42 pm Post #352 |
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Where did bandana go?
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Oh well I missed Takamoto`s name, but pretty sure he`s also NO. Completely NO. @Anton. That`s wiki as it is. Never can be sure. Maybe i`m not so attentive... ok with that, but where`s Matsunaga in this page? make digs at editors work.Edited by WarHawk, Tue Jan 3, 2012 2:58 pm.
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| ~in3vitableTIMING~ | Tue Jan 3, 2012 3:14 pm Post #353 |
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"Thanks Partner" - Sheva Alomar
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First off I like the designs, as hints or templates some of them are really good to go by. Second reading through the thread makes me really skeptical on what you lot looking as a Fanbase for in the next instalment of the sengoku Musou series, Is it characters, story or a bit of both. You have to keep in mind that the new characters have to add depth not only for existing characters but the game as a whole. With that said some of the Existing characters are portrayed at a particular stage in their lives so adding everyone is a bad idea, Oichi is a good example. I think SM4 should give Oichi a daughter but only Chacha (and shouldn't portray her in her Yodo-dono stage). We have to respect that Oichi has been a character from the first game so Koei should be careful not to age her so quickly and with Chacha being the oldest it progress the story at a nice rate (save the sisters for later games). I don't think Tachibana Dōsetsu should be added simple because your turning Ginchiyo's world upside down at a pace that doesn't make sense. First she's a strong independent woman. Then she's turned into a "house wife" With her Father added she would inevitably be a daddy's girl. Ginchiyo has already been diluted with the addition of her husband she would be changing too much in the space of three games. I personally feel as a game the Tachibana don't need any family members at the moment they should just be enjoying their honeymoon period (but if someone has to be added why not Ōtomo Sōrin). Saitō Dōsan If this man isn't added not only would it rasie a few eyebrows it'll rasie a few pitch folks too .I needn't explain this man's purpose if you don't know i'll give you the honours of looking it up yourselves. But as far as Nobunaga and Nohime Go this man would add SERIOUS depth. Katakura Kojuuro. It's about time now don't you think koei, Masamune has been a lone wolf for three games now and i'm sure they haven't added him because of the basara counterpart. Masamune need some peeps JUST DON'T GIVE HIM A WIFE!, not everyone needs to be a loved up couple just because they were koei should stay true to the character they've created. Matsu. Toshiie needs some dimensions added to him, there is just something missing, I can't really take him seriously without his wife he needs his soul mate his yin to his yang. Uesugi Kagekatsu. Another welcomed addition because he's one of those characters that will fill in well not only with story but the development of other characters like Aya, Kenshin, Hideyoshi, Mitsunari etc SANADA MASAYUKI. Why this man has not been added already is beyond me, his entire life span was in the climax of the sengoku era and he played a Major role. Not to mention Yukimura has NO sanada members! (its bad enough your posterboy has the same moveset!) If not added in SM4 i'd probably combust lol Edited by ~in3vitableTIMING~, Tue Jan 3, 2012 3:15 pm.
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| WarHawk | Tue Jan 3, 2012 3:37 pm Post #354 |
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Where did bandana go?
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Thanks for your opinion ~in3vitableTIMING~. I agree with almost everything. Though, why Masamune should not have a wife? there is different attitude among characters to their second half, but not such... when there is someone with such difficult nature as Masamune; it will be really pleased to see how his relathionship goes, and to be honest he needs someone whom he could care about. Katakura is his loyal friend and strategist, but Gozen is just fanatic girl who`s his spy, bodyguard and whatever. Read quotes from these ambitious game where Masamune talking with Neko... it`s so predictable, but I like how it goes. and I should add this. IMHO, Date Masamune is the most interesting character in the game. Koei can`t spoil him even if they will keep much efforts on that. |
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| Deleted User | Tue Jan 3, 2012 3:44 pm Post #355 |
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Neko Gozen is the shadow of Date Masamune, she imitates what he does (sort of). I see her interesting and original, given her role. In addition, Masamune and Neko doesn't have to be very cute together. I can see Masamune embarrassed when he speaks to her. Oh, and it's better than a random Masamune x Kai (i.e.; SW3: Empires). ![]() I like the idea of the trio Masamune, Kojūrō and Neko working together.
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| ~in3vitableTIMING~ | Tue Jan 3, 2012 3:52 pm Post #356 |
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I see what your saying, but I was referring to Megohime but if thats the case they need to do some tidying with the original cast so there are no clones or wasted spaces. If Kunoichi would just Woman up and become Chiyome or just kick Kunoichi and revamp the Sanada ninja in a new design altogether I guess there would be room for a character such as Neko Gozen. But with SM4 it needs a new take on things adding half pint characters might not progress characters as far as they need to go for the fourth instalment which is why it MIGHT be a bad idea adding Neko before Kojuuro. |
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| Amakusa | Wed Jan 4, 2012 11:21 am Post #357 |
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In Chronicles they all had 'generic' girl models, but each of them used a different model. They appeared pretty identical to the girls that show up in Kai's ending in SW3 (but obviously none of them look like Yoshino). The generic girls also show up in Events for Muneshige and Gracia to name a few. Edited by Amakusa, Wed Jan 4, 2012 11:25 am.
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| Shu DragonSage | Wed Jan 4, 2012 2:03 pm Post #358 |
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We don't need all of Oichi's daughters to be PC,just Cha Cha should be a PC. Make the other two UNPC. |
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| ~in3vitableTIMING~ | Wed Jan 4, 2012 5:33 pm Post #359 |
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If they do that won't that make them PC in moushouden (XL) like Amakusa mentioned about generic models, if the other two daughters are THAT important make them "generic girl" 1 & 2. Making them UNPC would giving the players the impression their about to become PC when the slots could go to someone else more deserving. Chacha is a very good pick but the other two are overkill, they'll proberbly end up like ranmaru ( ) and okuni, present but with no story mode and we need less characters with that potential.
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| AntonKutovoi | Wed Jan 4, 2012 5:39 pm Post #360 |
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I really confused about Nagoya Sansaburo. What sense adding the character which historical importance is even less than Kojiro and Okuni's and make him UNPC? EDIT: I've also found a better pictures of Dosetsu and Yasutomo: ![]()
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| WarHawk | Thu Jan 5, 2012 12:54 am Post #361 |
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@AntonKutovoi. Some of Koei`s desions are really weird. If there won`t be unique Otomo Sorin... and having some minor unit like Matsutoki instead, it`s just beyond my comprehension. Though, I understand why Nagayoshi was chosen as unpc and still no Niwa... whose meritswere not less than Shibata`s or Maeda`s. I guess Nagahide won`t add anything new to existing Oda`s characters. Nobunaga already has many loyal men: Tokugawa, Toyotomi, Shibata, Maeda, Mori Ranmaru, Noh, Kuroda, Takenaka... Akechi. Oda Nobutada (in case if he`d be added) is contrast of his father, I see that Koei could add his own generals: Mori Nagayoshi and maybe Ikeda Tsuneoki... well there is some logic at least. Koei is keeping add Kakizakis and Usamis that`s not so bad, but what is reason of it? I`d prefer one Murakami instead them both, maybe even him being playable like Kanetsugu. Adding characters only because they have some titles... it`s also wrong course. Imagine that Koei will add someone to Takeda, IMHO it should be Mochizuki Chiyome and Yamagata Masakage (in case he does not harm Yukimura and Ii`s addition). Takeda, Uesugi... finished with them, who`s really with lack of men is Tokugawa: Hattori, Honda and Ina - that`s all! Torii, Ii, Sakakibara, Sakai... need someone new here for sure. Ieyasu deserves it. |
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| Deleted User | Thu Jan 5, 2012 1:19 am Post #362 |
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Where is Okatsu (Eishōin) in that list, uh? ![]() Anyway, I agree with you. I think the Tokugawa clan needs more characters. I'd say at least 2 new characters. My choice would be li Naomasa and Okatsu (Eishōin). It's getting old to see all the time the same characters in this clan. We surely need something new. |
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| WarHawk | Thu Jan 5, 2012 2:23 am Post #363 |
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Yeah, need Ohatsu too for sure. My second most wanted female character after Matsu. Ii and Okatsu in SW4, please.
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| AntonKutovoi | Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:47 am Post #364 |
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Tokugawa? No, it's not the worst case. Look at the Mori - most powerful clan of western Japan and they've got only Motonari and Takamoto?. Not to mention Amago (only Shikanosuke), Shimazu (Yoshihisa and Yoshihiro) and Ryujoji (there is no Ryujoji clan). Edited by AntonKutovoi, Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:49 am.
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| Celestial | Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:14 am Post #365 |
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I really can't see SW aging Oichi any further just to fit with one of her daughters inclusion. They have aged her enough to fit with Nagamasa's look , unless they decide to age her to fit more to Katsuie but I doubt that. Concerning the daughters, I can see Cha Cha being in and Ohastu being a UNPC. O-go can be added down the line when they establish more of Tokugawa forces. Not really fond of Neko-Gozen, would rather see Megohime than her. |
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| Masato | Thu Jan 5, 2012 11:09 am Post #366 |
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Actually, on my eyes, it seems KOEI will be using aging models for SW4... Dosetsu has 2 models: One before cutting the thunder with Chidori and the other mad one with Raikiri. Instead of having a mere alternative costume, they may include the basic costume and a older (or younger in some cases) costume for the characters. Just imagine playing as a Younger Shibata Katsuie against Younger Nobunaga in Nobuyuki's Rebellion! That would so badass... Also, we really need Toyotomi Hideyori in this one. Chacha needs his son!! @WarHawk: Senhime is part of the Tokugawa. |
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| AntonKutovoi | Thu Jan 5, 2012 12:21 pm Post #367 |
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Oh, forgot this one: a bigger image for Mogami
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| WarHawk | Thu Jan 5, 2012 12:34 pm Post #368 |
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Senhime is , only ths emotion.Hideyori??? He`s child. Add him for what? For Osaka battle?!... I don`t think he`s necessary at all. About clans representatives such Amago and Ryozoji... well Tokugawa is force, and Ryozoji is just a clan. Ok it`s not minor, but it`s just a clan, nothing to add here more. I could say the same thing about others as well. There are three forces: Oda, Toyotomi and Tokugawa... and this third one has the fewest amount of characters compare to Oda and Toyotomi. Some clans don`t need representatives in the game... |
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| Masato | Thu Jan 5, 2012 1:48 pm Post #369 |
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Well, it's true that the Tokugawa needs more characters but I really want to see Amago Haruhisa, Otomo Sorin and The Bear of Hizen Ryuzoji Takenobu! I think the next batch will have a few Tokugawa characters like Honda Masanobu and Ii Naomasa, considering that they were high-ranked in a KOEI's Pool. Also, did you guys noticed that now every force has at least 2 unique officers? Maybe KOEI is planning to go with Clan Story Mode in the next installment... |
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| WarHawk | Thu Jan 5, 2012 1:59 pm Post #370 |
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Yeah noticed that; clan story will be a smart decision. Let`s see how it could be : two primary game modes. First one - Oda, Tokugawa and Toyotomi stories - just following history. Second - clans with historical and what-if battles (mixed) aka Empires games. I hope on guys like Haruhisa and Takanobu being added, but my choice number 1 (after Ii) among all possible characters is Otomo Sorin. Want him for a long time. I really hope he would be added. I also want one new character for Westen army (Otani, Konishi, Ukita). Wel, and new man for Tokugawa ofcourse, even if this man Todo or Hosokawa, just add somebody useful Koei! Sanada Nobuyuki is good, but it`s... another dimension. Edited by WarHawk, Thu Jan 5, 2012 2:01 pm.
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| AntonKutovoi | Thu Jan 5, 2012 2:24 pm Post #371 |
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Actually, I think that clans stories should be similar to the DW7. And also they could make a character last battle. For example - you play as Nobunaga at Honnoji and Yukimura at Osaka, etc. That should raise a dramatic effect.
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| Masato | Thu Jan 5, 2012 2:28 pm Post #372 |
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It would be AWESOME to have Quick-Time Events and Branching Storylines for the Clans! Just imagine: Fighting with Mitsuhide at Honnoji and then a QTE start where you clash swords with him. Then, you fail at pressing a button and "Bad" Ending happens! |
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| Komatsu | Thu Jan 5, 2012 4:15 pm Post #373 |
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Quick time events? Nooo thank you. They were in Troy and they were kind of a pain. In any case, clan storymodes have been done before, in Empires, so as long as the story is interesting and more involved than just those ten (and longer, too), it could be good. |
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| ~in3vitableTIMING~ | Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:47 pm Post #374 |
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This is actually a really good idea it would be the best tactic for accuracy without adding the encyclopedia of characters. As for story mode I really don't think it should be like DW7, SM characters have the potential to add more depth to them considering there are less and appear to be more refined. DW7 theres so much characters and so little space and time they did the best they could by making everyone have one Big story as DW forces are really simplified in that respect. Its like two birds one stone, only you have a flock and a machine gun lol It should be as its always been only with a lot more detail added (more cutscenes) as in the writing needs to be heavily supervised so everyones on the same page but still retain their individuality from start to finish. Regarding the Oichi situation I still think only chacha should be added making Oichi have two kids (Ohastu) means they WILL have to age her again considerably which I doubt is the direction they want to take her. Edited by ~in3vitableTIMING~, Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:50 pm.
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| Komatsu | Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:55 pm Post #375 |
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Not necessarily. It's easy to look at the model for them and assume that they're in their teenage/adult years and after their mother's death. So if the only place Oichi was shown was with Nagamasa (or up until Katsuie's death), and then Chacha doesn't make an appearance herself until Sekigahara, there's no need to age Oichi at all. She'd be dead and thus her appearance doesn't matter. Same with O-go, for that matter. The translated conversation between Sen (O-go's daughter) and Kai implies that Sen is really young. |
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Sanada Nobuyuki should be playable, KOEI.
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Read quotes from these ambitious game where Masamune talking with Neko... it`s so predictable, but I like how it goes.

) and okuni, present but with no story mode and we need less characters with that potential.


, only ths emotion.

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