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| [08-24-2012] Hyakku-mon nin no Sengoku Musou; Prepare for the unleash of new characters in future games Samurai Warriors Games! | |
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| Shigeharu | Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:54 pm Post #376 |
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And besides that, Sima Yi doesn't really look any older than he used to in DW7, despite Koei adding his two clearly twenty-something sons, who appear in cutscenes with him and everything. Koei and earth logic are not always well acquainted, really. |
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| OichiXXX | Thu Jan 5, 2012 10:04 pm Post #377 |
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Couldn't agree more and besides it would be too sudden if Koei decided to significantly age Oichi so her daughters can look more like daughters. As much as I think this is necessary, I highly doubt Koei would do it, Sima Yi is a perfect example of someone who should have aged in DW7 but still looked exactly the same. And I sorta don't want my darling Oichi to look old, I like her just the way she is. Beautiful and young on the outside, mature and kind on the inside. Slightly off topic: I want Oichi to wear pink!!! |
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| Komatsu | Thu Jan 5, 2012 10:10 pm Post #378 |
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That's because Sima Yi has achieved the secret to eternal youth. But yes, there's him along with Zhang Fei being 27 and having a 19 year old daughter. And just in the SW cast there's Mitsuhide and Gracia. I notice that no one has mentioned Motonari and Nobunaga having their sons in this, nor anything about Nagamasa having to age because his daughters are being added. Maybe it's just because Oichi is a woman? Though why mention Oichi only and not Nou, who is Nobutada's father's wife, and is theoretically be old enough to actually be his mother. I know she's older looking, but not by that much! (Masayuki and Ieyasu look old enough to beliveably have children/grandchildren, so that shouldn't be an issue, should it?) |
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| ~in3vitableTIMING~ | Fri Jan 6, 2012 1:09 am Post #379 |
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"Thanks Partner" - Sheva Alomar
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But aren't Japan kinda conservative when it comes to females, just look at the soul calibur 5 situation would they really keep Oichi the same age and then give her TWO teenage daughters. Then to have them exist around the same time, remember adding characters that have ties to existing ones means they would at some point interact. Wouldn't it be kinda weird if that were the case Oichi and her two sisters *cough* daughters (like teenage pregnancy) ... And theres the issues of Oichi's daughters not only filling in female slots but taking up slots all together. If Oichi was to play a major role in SM4 i'd be all for it, but I think its time the shadow veterans start taking the spotlight. Dosan and Masayuki should be made more of a priority along with the company they keep, for now I kinda see Chacha as the cherry on top. but the game could use more females I just hope they choose wisely
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| Komatsu | Fri Jan 6, 2012 1:28 am Post #380 |
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Keep in mind that women (and men) married kind of young back then (Masamune and Mego were 13 and 12 when they married), so the concept of "teenage pregnancy" wouldn't really be the same. If they've come of age, they can have children, even if they're only eighteen or nineteen. This applies to that time period across the world in general, not just Japan. Juliet was only 14. If they use the characters as unique NPCs and not playable characters, I don't think there's any harm in having them, especially as they would bring depth to not just Oichi but to the Osaka and Sekigahara battles as well. Chacha especially becomes super important later on, and I would love to see her added. Also if you take into consideration what Ohatsu and Ogo say about their father in SW:C, then it's very possible for them to have different character models and show those two as children. They barely/don't remember their father at all - as of now, that's Samurai Warriors canon. So it's not inconceivable for them to have adult models if the story's focusing on them around Sekigahara's time. And again, what about Nou? If Nobutada is added, that's essentially the step-son that could be her own child, had he not been born to Kitsuno instead. Does she need to be aged up significantly? If the game's going to add more females, I don't know why they wouldn't add Chacha. And her sisters went on to play pretty big parts as well. I don't like the idea of saying that someone is taking up "a character slot". |
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| WarHawk | Fri Jan 6, 2012 1:52 am Post #381 |
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Where did bandana go?
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Well the problem is not-importance of all these Ohatsu, Oeyo and Senhime. I don`t see them as good additions. Matsu, Ohatsu and Chiyome have much more potential than this sister-daughter`s nonsense. |
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| ~in3vitableTIMING~ | Fri Jan 6, 2012 2:06 am Post #382 |
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I Get what your saying don't get me wrong i'm all for Chacha's addition but she would have to have a significant story if thats the case with an action packed ending, she can't rely on Sekigahara alone And with the existing cast thats easily taken care of. I know that they married young back in those days and teenage pregnancy was the norm but its 2012. There were also a lot of homosexual relations between samurai in SM1 Mitsuhide and Ranmaru were this close *raises finger margin* if I remember correctly but all those subjects have to be treated with care. If O-go and Ohastsu where to be treat as UNPC I guess it would add alot of depth to Oichi's and Chacha tale of event's which would be the best compromise, but adding the two younger sisters as PC in SM4 is too soon even when Moushuden is considered. I really think there place would be SM5 when most of the original cast have had there supporting roles added and established, theres still loads that SM has cover the south of the country needs to be placed in order along with the Sanada etc. Granted Oichi and her children contributed a lot towards the end of the sengoku era which is why if Chacha does get added it would be a very good move. But adding them all at once is not only maturing the story to quickly Koei may have to add their supports as well in order for them to have any strong ground as the story progresses. Theres no rush if all goes well there will be SM5 SM6 SM7 etc. Edit: I would have to agree with WARHAWK as well theres still Matsu and chiyome as potential female characters to be considered. Edited by ~in3vitableTIMING~, Fri Jan 6, 2012 2:12 am.
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| Celestial | Fri Jan 6, 2012 2:54 am Post #383 |
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Love,hate, tragedy, and war.
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Speaking of ages, Oichi's last confirmed age was 15 which was in the first SW game. As of now we have no idea but can guess 19 threw early 20s, we know they have aged her though. Oichi was 20 when she married Nagamasa and most likly in her teens when she married Katsuie. Can someone explain the want for Matsu to me? I get the feeling its love for her Basara counter part that is the reason for this but am unsure. She doesn't have the history fall back that Cha Cha does so I'm curious. I'm also concerned that if it is because of Basara's version that people may be disappionted in Koei's version if she fails to deliver what they are expecting. @Komatsu: Concerning Nou, I don't think Nou or Nobu would need to change if Nobutada was added. They say Nou is was 20 in SW and have Nobu as 33(Wow thats a good gap there ) but both look like they could have a young son around them. I swear I was thinking more 24-25 for Noh before I found this out. @MatheusOda: That would be ideal and I woudn't mind it for SW4. DW already did something similar with the characters the were in different forces or one that was injured. Edited by Celestial, Fri Jan 6, 2012 2:55 am.
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| Komatsu | Fri Jan 6, 2012 3:05 am Post #384 |
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It's 2012, but the games are still depicting a time period back in the 1500s. It has to be handled with care, but that doesn't mean they can't be period accurate to an extent. Matsu has the potential to add more to Toshiie's story, as well as provide a female friend for Nene (though I'm not sure if this is historical or not, maybe I'm thinking of the NHK Drama "Toshiie and Matsu"). Nene so far has very little female interaction in the main games, or she's blatantly jealous of Hideyoshi's concubines. Kai and Chacha have the potential to add some female conflict to her (if they ever even go that route, they never mentioned Kai being Hideyoshi's concubine in SW3 though I know they've mentioned Chacha by name) so it'd be nice to see Nene with positive female interaction. Matsu historically was pretty awesome. She was intelligent, and IIRC she went over to the Tokugawa willingly as a hostage to try to settle some things. |
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| WarHawk | Fri Jan 6, 2012 5:30 am Post #385 |
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@ Celestial. I love Toshiie, and I love Matsu, and her Sengoku Basara`s counterpart is awesome indeed. Toshiie needs love, I`m pretty sure about it. The thing why I don`t want Lady-Yodo is pretty simple. I don`t want any of Oichi`s daughters and idea that Hideyoshi have female besides Nene is inimical to my opinion. Anyway I don`t think that her addition is bad... many guys and ladies here wish her addition. They have logic argument why they want here. I have nothing to do with it. |
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| Deleted User | Fri Jan 6, 2012 7:25 am Post #386 |
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^ [See what Komatsu said.] Maeda Matsu is one of the most famous female of this era. She certainly didn't have the same story as Chacha, but she's very interesting and she could give more depth to her husband, Maeda Toshiie. --- The thing with Oichi's daughters is that I don't want them to be the only new female characters if KOEI decides to add the three. They can start by adding Chacha in SW4 and the other two later. If they add at least 3 new female characters in SW4, I'd like to see Maeda Matsu, Okatsu (Eishōin) and Chacha. Variety, please~ |
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| Xalfrea | Fri Jan 6, 2012 7:34 am Post #387 |
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Keyblade hero
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Given the assumption that we're gonna have 100 of these characters, I'm willing to give them leeway that eventually the major wanted adds like Naomasa, Matsu, Mototada and the like will eventually be made. Heck with what we've gotten so far, I'm pretty satisfied by some. Makes me thinking about how story wise each of these characters will be... |
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| Masato | Fri Jan 6, 2012 11:15 am Post #388 |
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A Wolf beyond the Wall...
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Well, so far most of the characters that have been added in 100MNNSM are people that I wanted to see in SW games, and I'm sure that every SW got satisfied with at least one add in this game. Surely we will get more and everyone will get satisfied in the end! Well, I've been digging info on this Social Game with a my friends that live on Japan and it seems that there are rumors flowing that KOEI is planning a revolution on the Warriors Series with SM4. Regarding the Chacha matter, they can add Oichi's daughter easily by making Chacha a teen and Ohatsu and O-Go as kids, that way Oichi would die at Shizugakute and Chacha would be introduced and a few stages later, Ohatsu and O-Go. But if really there's a aging system planned, that would make things much easier. BTW where do you guys usually find the new characters? I suck at Japanese Googling! XD |
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| WarHawk | Fri Jan 6, 2012 12:51 pm Post #389 |
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@MatheusOda. Open "Samurai Warriors Series" page in wikipedia on japanese. Watch who`s there under 1000000 warriors category. Open google then (google page with images only) and check new guy/s. That works! And ofcourse i don`t understand japanese either; I translate pages to my native language, and I use only kanji in searching.
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| AntonKutovoi | Fri Jan 6, 2012 3:37 pm Post #390 |
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Legend
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Japanese forum about this game This is the first place where i'm trying to find new images Edit: Oops. A little mistake. It's Taiwanese forum. Edited by AntonKutovoi, Sat Jan 7, 2012 1:54 pm.
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| WarHawk | Sat Jan 7, 2012 12:08 am Post #391 |
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@Anton. That`s the place with images, but it`s not japanese. It`s Taiwan. |
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| AdventGreatness | Sat Jan 7, 2012 1:20 am Post #392 |
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Emperor's Retainer
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I just hope Sanada Nobuyuki doesn't have a damn paint bruh as a weapon like Ma Dai does, and their both known for spears too. |
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| Komatsu | Sat Jan 7, 2012 3:28 pm Post #393 |
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![]() From the Musou blog. (上泉信綱) |
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| Xalfrea | Sat Jan 7, 2012 3:33 pm Post #394 |
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Keyblade hero
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...interesting. So who's this Santa Claus reject supposed to be? |
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| SRS | Sat Jan 7, 2012 3:34 pm Post #395 |
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Master of the War Trident
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lol, THAT'S their portrayal of Kamiizumi Nobutsuna? I guess a katana Jesus works for the master of swords. Kinda preferred his look in NA though. |
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| Komatsu | Sat Jan 7, 2012 3:37 pm Post #396 |
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What did he look like in NA? |
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| Xalfrea | Sat Jan 7, 2012 3:40 pm Post #397 |
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Kamiizumi Nobutsuna...that's a new name. I looked him up. So he created a style of sword fighting, and eventually went on to serve Ujiyasu, Kenshin and Shingen at separate points. He's also connected to Ashikaga Yoshiteru, so if ever, they could make something out of that. A...questionable add, but heck I don't question why they're doing this and this instead of that and that for this game anymore, so whatever. Funny how I commented how he looked like Santa, and SRS commented that he looked like Jesus. Edited by Xalfrea, Sat Jan 7, 2012 3:41 pm.
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| SRS | Sat Jan 7, 2012 3:55 pm Post #398 |
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![]() Kamiizumi Nobutsuna was the greatest swordmaster in the Sengoku period. He formed the Shinkage-ryu school of swordsmanship, was Yagyu Muneyoshi's teacher(who would develop Shinkage-ryu into the Yagyu Shinkage-ryu after Nobutsuna passed the school to him,) taught Ashikaga Yoshiteru and multiple other famous swordmasters and was the leader of the Nagano 16 Spears who held off the Takeda's attacks 5 times after the Yamauchi-Uesugi fell(the Nagano were retainers of the old Uesugi who kept fighting on in Kozuke against the Takeda and Hojo despite being a dwarf compared to those two clans' might.) In NA he has a younger, more "professional" look(above,) and he has the highest Valor(War, basically) stat in the game. In short, he was Musashi before Musashi was even born. Edited by SRS, Sat Jan 7, 2012 4:13 pm.
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| Masato | Sat Jan 7, 2012 6:27 pm Post #399 |
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I think Kamiizumi Nobutsuna is supposed to be SW Series' Zuo Ci. Well, I have no complains about him at all... Going to update the main thread. |
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| Komatsu | Sat Jan 7, 2012 6:34 pm Post #400 |
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Oooh, I see. Seeing that picture, I sort of prefer his look in NA as well, but I can see why they wouldn't want to use it, I guess. He sounds interesting though! I hope he makes it into the next game as well.
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