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[08-24-2012] Hyakku-mon nin no Sengoku Musou; Prepare for the unleash of new characters in future games Samurai Warriors Games!
Topic Started: Fri Sep 9, 2011 12:53 pm (155,782 Views)
Xalfrea
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Kojiro really served Tadaoki? This can have potential for sure.

Has anyone identified the other guy yet?
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AntonKutovoi
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:00 pm
Fu ZhiMei
Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:38 pm
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:43 pm
I just don't think Kitsuno has as much relevance as Chacha. If Nou weren't already there, maybe she'd be a good addition to fight at his side. But Nou is there. Not to mention that Chacha and Hideyori live on past both Hideyoshi and Nene. Kitsuno died before Nobunaga, and Nobutada died at Honnoji with Nouhime and Nobunaga.
I know that Kitsuno isn't so relevant as Cha Cha, I personally like Cha Cha more. The thing is, I don't like how people are treating the poor woman :( , it's, IMO, unfair, they have the exact same role in history so why treat them different? This is so childish.
As for me they both should not be in the game :whistle: how much concuibines do we have in SW series on this moment? seems that no one, but due to 100mon-nin we got unique Neko and Yodo. I check other mobile game, one with cats and there are plenty of female characters. Koei have a big choice indeed, and still some of their additions, khm are really weird. Senhime is obvious example. -_-
That`s weirdo as well, but Yoshihiro looks like grandpa for me; any thoughts?! Seing small girl around him would be funny. (similar to Itsuki from Basara) :hehe: Pardon me I just don`t value much Toyohisa.
Well, we have this:
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It's from Nobunaga's Ambition Online. Azusa, Yoshihiro's sister. And as for concuibines - Kaihime. Not in the game, though.
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Azusa - it`s interesting, remember this name.
I also heard that Ii Naomasa had a sister who also fought... Is it only rumours? Or such girl really existed?
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Well, there was Ii Naotora - Naomasa's stepmother. She did't fight though.
Article in japanese wikipedia
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Okay. Thanks pal, I guess if Ii had a fighting sister we`d knew this. Not much prominent maidens were in Sengoku Dzidai era anyway.
Still I hope to see some other Sekigahara`s generals besides Tadaoki.
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:48 pm
Well, with that Tadaoki, I just can not imagine by what part did Mitsuhide thought by marrying Gracia on him. I believe there was something like this:
Gracia: Em.. father are you sure? This guy looks strange, look at his eyes!
Mitsuhide: Nonsense, he is a nice young man. It seems that he likes cooking.
Gracia: :facepalm:
I have a theory about this actually. I doubt Koei would do this, but still I think it would be kind of interesting. However either way I like this idea of crazy Tadaoki. :P But, Gracia uses black magic if I'm not mistaken correct? Maybe she found Tadaoki one day, fell in love with him and when he didn't return the feelings seeing how they just met she used her black magic to make Tadaoki her thrall. This could explain the crazy axe murderer look he's rocking.
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db3521
Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:58 pm
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:48 pm
Well, with that Tadaoki, I just can not imagine by what part did Mitsuhide thought by marrying Gracia on him. I believe there was something like this:
Gracia: Em.. father are you sure? This guy looks strange, look at his eyes!
Mitsuhide: Nonsense, he is a nice young man. It seems that he likes cooking.
Gracia: :facepalm:
I have a theory about this actually. I doubt Koei would do this, but still I think it would be kind of interesting. However either way I like this idea of crazy Tadaoki. :P But, Gracia uses black magic if I'm not mistaken correct? Maybe she found Tadaoki one day, fell in love with him and when he didn't return the feelings seeing how they just met she used her black magic to make Tadaoki her thrall. This could explain the crazy axe murderer look he's rocking.
Don't know if you noticed, but even if a character's moveset is heavily based on magic, that element NEVER appears on cutscenes (with the exception of Zhang Jiao). Therefore, I think KOEI will not handle Gracia like your theory.
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:29 pm
db3521
Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:58 pm
AntonKutovoi
Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:48 pm
Well, with that Tadaoki, I just can not imagine by what part did Mitsuhide thought by marrying Gracia on him. I believe there was something like this:
Gracia: Em.. father are you sure? This guy looks strange, look at his eyes!
Mitsuhide: Nonsense, he is a nice young man. It seems that he likes cooking.
Gracia: :facepalm:
I have a theory about this actually. I doubt Koei would do this, but still I think it would be kind of interesting. However either way I like this idea of crazy Tadaoki. :P But, Gracia uses black magic if I'm not mistaken correct? Maybe she found Tadaoki one day, fell in love with him and when he didn't return the feelings seeing how they just met she used her black magic to make Tadaoki her thrall. This could explain the crazy axe murderer look he's rocking.
Don't know if you noticed, but even if a character's moveset is heavily based on magic, that element NEVER appears on cutscenes (with the exception of Zhang Jiao). Therefore, I think KOEI will not handle Gracia like your theory.
Oh well. I didn't really think it was something Koei would do. Just an idea I had.
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Komatsu
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:00 pm
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Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:38 pm
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Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:43 pm
I just don't think Kitsuno has as much relevance as Chacha. If Nou weren't already there, maybe she'd be a good addition to fight at his side. But Nou is there. Not to mention that Chacha and Hideyori live on past both Hideyoshi and Nene. Kitsuno died before Nobunaga, and Nobutada died at Honnoji with Nouhime and Nobunaga.
I know that Kitsuno isn't so relevant as Cha Cha, I personally like Cha Cha more. The thing is, I don't like how people are treating the poor woman :( , it's, IMO, unfair, they have the exact same role in history so why treat them different? This is so childish.
As for me they both should not be in the game :whistle: how much concuibines do we have in SW series on this moment? seems that no one, but due to 100mon-nin we got unique Neko and Yodo. I check other mobile game, one with cats and there are plenty of female characters. Koei have a big choice indeed, and still some of their additions, khm are really weird. Senhime is obvious example. -_-
@Fu ZhiMei, That's the thing, Chacha and Kitsuno don't really have the exact same role. If an NPC, Chacha would be around a lot longer during a lot of turbulent times. Sekigahara, Osaka Castle, etc. Depending on how Koei wanted to handle her, she could be fairly important. And since Hideyori was only a child at Sekigahara, she was his caretaker which meant she was probably planning with Mitsunari and the like (since Hideyori really couldn't).

Neko Gozen isn't just Masamune's concubine (she might not even be his concubine in this), she's his kagemusha, impersonating him for political or other reasons. And again, Chacha would be an amazing NPC. She's someone that people have wanted for a while. And as an NPC, Sen wouldn't be a bad or weird addition at Osaka Castle, which is where she looks to be, in a screenshot of her and Kai.

Also I wouldn't really want all of these adds as playable characters, but as NPCs. And I don't know why having unique NPCs would be a bad thing, as long as they don't become playable in expansions (unless they're free mode only). Considering the sheer volume of people being added, if they're added into a future game, they're more than likely going to be NPCs...
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I doubt Tadaoki would be 100% all day everyday. Being a yandere, he'd probably be really nice and calm around everyone until something threatened his relationship with Gracia. Then all limiters are off.

Playing the Oreimo PSP game right now, and Ayase is pretty much what Tadaoki(albeit a girl) is intended to be like, down to the death stares and murderous thoughts/dialogue when their switch turns on. Yanderes are EXTREMELY possessive and obsessive of whomever they love, to the point that in extreme cases they'll slaughter anyone/anything that might be perceived an obstacle to their love.
Edited by SRS, Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:39 am.
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so what exactly is this game? Its sure got a lot of unique characters though :D , is it done by Koei? Is there any way I can import it? If someone could just fill me in on a few deatils about whatever this is I'd be extremely grateful.
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Well, if it wasn't done by Koei it wouldn't be here. XD

It's a mobile game. Unfortunately it's only available in Japan via a mobile phone app? So none of us have actually been able to play it. It's not importable.
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Thanks for the quick reply Komatsu! Oops I guess I should have thought about who made it before I spoke, I'm stupid sometimes :XD .what does the game translate to in enlgish? and are what is the game like? I mean whats the gameplay like and how in the world are they gonna make that many characters?! That would mean there would be over 100 stories, I might still be about confused about this game but if all turns out right it could be a lot of fun. Lucky Japanese actually get to play this game <_< . I wish they would do something like this for the Three Kingdoms era, that would be awesome to see how they view a bunch of people.
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With Cha Cha, what are the chances of Koei exploring her concubinage? They skipped it with Kaihime, giving her a fictional crush on Masamune(and everything else on two legs), what would they do with Cha Cha?
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Well, if they add Chacha they can't really ignore that she's Hideyori's mother, can they? Not if they have Hideyori, even as a generic. And she was actually mentioned before in the games as being Hideyoshi's concubine...

Speaking of Hideyori, I wonder if they're going to add him. They already have Sen, his wife, and they have his mother and father. He could still be a little kid, since Sen is implied to be pretty young.

@Cao Hong, I think it's a strategy type game. You can see a screencap here: http://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201112150023/image/1/

There's no individual character stories! And most of the characters we've seen are akin to NPCs, IIRC? They're not playable or something.
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I completely forgot..in Nene's story she was mentioned. It wouldn't make sense to ignore it. Hideyori's one I'd also like to see in SW4, it'll be interesting
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@Fu ZhiMei, That's the thing, Chacha and Kitsuno don't really have the exact same role. If an NPC, Chacha would be around a lot longer during a lot of turbulent times. Sekigahara, Osaka Castle, etc. Depending on how Koei wanted to handle her, she could be fairly important. And since Hideyori was only a child at Sekigahara, she was his caretaker which meant she was probably planning with Mitsunari and the like (since Hideyori really couldn't).

Neko Gozen isn't just Masamune's concubine (she might not even be his concubine in this), she's his kagemusha, impersonating him for political or other reasons. And again, Chacha would be an amazing NPC. She's someone that people have wanted for a while. And as an NPC, Sen wouldn't be a bad or weird addition at Osaka Castle, which is where she looks to be, in a screenshot of her and Kai.
It's not like Chacha is defined entirely by her relationship with Hideyoshi, either. She has been depicted in various stories as a manipulative person; her counterpart in "Shogun" (I forgot her name), for example, in her short time in the story, was attempting to maneuver Ishido and Torunaga (Mitsunari and Ieyasu, respectively) to her will.

Think about "I have so much power because my son, who has yet to come of age, is the successor to the late lord, and as such, you should defer his hereditary authority to me."
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There names of this characters at the musou blog. Can someone add new info here? I don't have access to my PC right now.
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Butcher boy is indeed Tadaoki and the other is Rairen. Both were correctly predicted. It will be interesting to see Gracia getting hitched to this guy, haha.
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So Rairen is indeed the other guy? Cool cool.

Looking up on him he does serve for a lengthy amount of time. Even surviving up till and past Osaka. Can have connections with Kennyo, Magoichi, Nobunaga and Hideyoshi.
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When playing Nobunaga's Ambition as Honganji, Rairen pretty much carries your clan(besides Kennyo himself.) He's basically Magoichi Mk. II(stat-wise at least,) only with a shaved head.

Good to know he's getting some recognition.
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Magoichi got his real friend, it`s fair enough. This game gives each character new person to interact, am I right? So if there 41 character (not counting cut) then 100mon-nin double its number. If that`s the case I see logic... caz I really can`t believe that Koei is going add more than 100 new chibis with unique look and personallity.
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Uh, actually I should have pointed this out a long time ago, but...

"Hyaku-man nin" means "one million people."
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Why you guys argue about Kitsuno being put into the cast and are happy with Cha Cha? Aren't they the same thing? (concubines).
Chacha was Hideyori's mother. She wasn't just any concubine.
And Kitsuno was Nobutada's mother, so she wasn't just any concubine too.
There is one difference: Hideyoshi looks like he can cheat Nene, and actually he did, as we can see in the Empires. Nobunaga won't cheat No. I know it's historical game, but if Koei are going to follow the history, then Mitsuhide should be turned in the fat baldy, isn't it? (Though seeing reaction on it would be priceless)
Well, to be honest that's kind of a bad excuse. They already have historical elements in the game, adding one more like Nobunaga having a concubine is not going to break the game. You have to realise that having a concubine isn't cheating. Nene's hyper possessive, but she was never able to have Hideyoshi's children. Nou was the same way (supposedly). Introducing conbucines for the sake of these warlords having kids is... fine, in my opinion, especially if those kids actually play a role later on. Concubines were actually the norm back then. For instance, Kanetsugu is noted for being a rare case in which he didn't take any concubines, but stayed monogamous with his wife.

I just don't think Kitsuno has as much relevance as Chacha. If Nou weren't already there, maybe she'd be a good addition to fight at his side. But Nou is there. Not to mention that Chacha and Hideyori live on past both Hideyoshi and Nene. Kitsuno died before Nobunaga, and Nobutada died at Honnoji with Nouhime and Nobunaga.
I agree that having concubines for a man isn't cheating in a man's world. But if the games are going to be that historically accurate, they would have to explicitly state that guys like Ranmaru and Nobunaga were lovers, wouldn't they? :lol:

I think Koei made a good choice to have include Nohime instead of Kitsuno, because some of the legends surrounding Nohime were more interesting.
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Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:02 am
But if the games are going to be that historically accurate, they would have to explicitly state that guys like Ranmaru and Nobunaga were lovers, wouldn't they?
If they've gotten along this far without saying it, no. It's not like people can't figure it out by what they do, though.
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