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[08-24-2012] Hyakku-mon nin no Sengoku Musou; Prepare for the unleash of new characters in future games Samurai Warriors Games!
Topic Started: Fri Sep 9, 2011 12:53 pm (155,760 Views)
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I don't have much time to post but I gotta say this: Mototada can be sort of Ieyasu's personal friend, rather than a typical retainer like Tadakatsu or Hanzo.

Also I don't understand the hype behind Naomasa. To me, he's a good addition but does not really have anything special, unlike Mototada. Well anyway, best solution would be to add both, which I think should happen since Tokugawa really needs new characters in their ranks. Mototada, Tadakatsu and Naomasa could make a good trio, much like Kiyomasa, Mitsunari and Masanori.
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Well Mototada is just so awesome. I don't see why he is so unpopular. He has several relations with current characters and had one of the most memorable final stands and deaths in all of the Sengoku Era. He served Ieyasu in all of his campaigns and his defense of Fushimi Castle is simply awesome. I might understand if he isn't in the top 10 but he should definitely be in the top 30, he would make a much better character than about half of those people on that list, easily. I hope Koei doesn't add characters based entirely off of that list.
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Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:20 pm
I confused why tadaoki's father is in there but not himself, i like tadaoki's current design he should appears in sw4! :kurokan:
Tadaoki on the second place :hmmm:
@Cao Hong 14. This list is nothing, Koei knows better whom they see in the new game.
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Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:38 pm
I don't have much time to post but I gotta say this: Mototada can be sort of Ieyasu's personal friend, rather than a typical retainer like Tadakatsu or Hanzo.
That sounds weird to me....

@wathawk: Oops sorry, my eye is always wrong
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Man, this Mototada fanboyism is kinda... eh...

He has all of one shining moment, his defense of Fushimi Castle. We already have Tadakatsu for the super-loyalty and the whole famous defense stand(at Komaki.) For close friends, Honda Masanobu would be a superior choice to add both for being a strategist, which the Tokugawa lack, and for being an Ikko-Ikki, which would add a new element of conflict to Ieyasu's story, and the fact that he undermined other Tokugawa retainers to further his own status, which would be another source of conflict. We don't have a really "dark" edge to the Tokugawa outside of Mitsunari and Kanetsugu's slander crusade.

He'd be a decent add after we get the real core of the Tokugawa represented.

For me, 10 Tokugawa adds in order of priority(not including Toyotomi guys who jumped ship after Hideyoshi's death like Hosokawa and Kuroda):
1. Honda Masanobu
2. One of Ieyasu's wives/concubines, be it Sena or Okatsu, etc.
3. Ii Naomasa
4. Sakai Tadatsugu
5. Tokugawa Hidetada
6. Ishikawa Kazumasa
7. Torii Mototada
8. Okubo Tadayo
9. Sakakibara Yasumasa
10. Yuki Hideyasu
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@SRS Could you understand please why Sakai is over Sakakibara and not othervise? Is there something special about him that I don`t know?
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Tue May 1, 2012 4:08 am
Man, this Mototada fanboyism is kinda... eh...

He has all of one shining moment, his defense of Fushimi Castle. We already have Tadakatsu for the super-loyalty and the whole famous defense stand(at Komaki.) For close friends, Honda Masanobu would be a superior choice to add both for being a strategist, which the Tokugawa lack, and for being an Ikko-Ikki, which would add a new element of conflict to Ieyasu's story, and the fact that he undermined other Tokugawa retainers to further his own status, which would be another source of conflict. We don't have a really "dark" edge to the Tokugawa outside of Mitsunari and Kanetsugu's slander crusade.

He'd be a decent add after we get the real core of the Tokugawa represented.

For me, 10 Tokugawa adds in order of priority(not including Toyotomi guys who jumped ship after Hideyoshi's death like Hosokawa and Kuroda):
1. Honda Masanobu
2. One of Ieyasu's wives/concubines, be it Sena or Okatsu, etc.
3. Ii Naomasa
4. Sakai Tadatsugu
5. Tokugawa Hidetada
6. Ishikawa Kazumasa
7. Torii Mototada
8. Okubo Tadayo
9. Sakakibara Yasumasa
10. Yuki Hideyasu
So you're saying a fictional woman is more important than those who actually fought in history...

But anyway, I do agree that Masanobu would be a good addition. In fact, if they add Mototada, Naomasa and Masanobu to the Tokugawa ranks I think it will be good enough.
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Well at least he's paying mind to those that aren't history buffs and would like a female presence in the Tokugawa that would give Ieyasu more character. I don't think many people understand that even though the Warriors' series is based off history, it doesn't mean it has to reflect it 100%. I mean look at Sengoku Basara and Onimusha. Crap comparisons I know, but it exemplifies the fact that history is history and video games are video games......

So many characters have been announced, yet since that guy said this game won't have any influence on SW4 at all, it makes me question just how many awesome designs will go to waste. I mean, if you can't make all of them playable, at least have their outfits made for CAW or make the characters UNPC's?

Edited by FKA, Tue May 1, 2012 9:27 am.
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Tue May 1, 2012 9:24 am
Well at least he's paying mind to those that aren't history buffs and would like a female presence in the Tokugawa that would give Ieyasu more character. I don't think many people understand that even though the Warriors' series is based off history, it doesn't mean it has to reflect it 100%. I mean look at Sengoku Basara and Onimusha. Crap comparisons I know, but it exemplifies the fact that history is history and video games are video games......

So many characters have been announced, yet since that guy said this game won't have any influence on SW4 at all, it makes me question just how many awesome designs will go to waste. I mean, if you can't make all of them playable, at least have their outfits made for CAW or make the characters UNPC's?

I know I think that is a very decent alternative.
If they aren't going to be playable then at least make them NPC it is way better than just wasting a great character design.

Off topic, has anyone had any word of a future Samurai Warriors 4 release?

I know an announcement should be popping up sometime soon...
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I'll seriously hate koei if they gonna throw these designs to the garbage...some design yes some designs are awful, but please some of them, Naomasa anyone?! Motoharu with his arrow spear?! who doesnt want that!!
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Tue May 1, 2012 9:09 am
SRS
Tue May 1, 2012 4:08 am
Man, this Mototada fanboyism is kinda... eh...

He has all of one shining moment, his defense of Fushimi Castle. We already have Tadakatsu for the super-loyalty and the whole famous defense stand(at Komaki.) For close friends, Honda Masanobu would be a superior choice to add both for being a strategist, which the Tokugawa lack, and for being an Ikko-Ikki, which would add a new element of conflict to Ieyasu's story, and the fact that he undermined other Tokugawa retainers to further his own status, which would be another source of conflict. We don't have a really "dark" edge to the Tokugawa outside of Mitsunari and Kanetsugu's slander crusade.

He'd be a decent add after we get the real core of the Tokugawa represented.

For me, 10 Tokugawa adds in order of priority(not including Toyotomi guys who jumped ship after Hideyoshi's death like Hosokawa and Kuroda):
1. Honda Masanobu
2. One of Ieyasu's wives/concubines, be it Sena or Okatsu, etc.
3. Ii Naomasa
4. Sakai Tadatsugu
5. Tokugawa Hidetada
6. Ishikawa Kazumasa
7. Torii Mototada
8. Okubo Tadayo
9. Sakakibara Yasumasa
10. Yuki Hideyasu
So you're saying a fictional woman is more important than those who actually fought in history...

But anyway, I do agree that Masanobu would be a good addition. In fact, if they add Mototada, Naomasa and Masanobu to the Tokugawa ranks I think it will be good enough.
Sena and Okatsu are both historical. Sena was his first wife, Imagawa Yoshimoto's adopted daughter from the Sekiguchi family, relatives of the Imagawa. Mother of Nobuyasu. Was implicated as part of the accusations of Nobuyasu being a Takeda double agent. Was also suspected of being an Imagawa spy; she was forced to suicide with Nobuyasu.

As for Okatsu, we already know about her.

@WarHawk

Sakai Tadatsugu was Ieyasu's caretaker and teacher during his childhood, and was basically his senior advisor for much of his career next to Ishikawa Kazumasa. He served in multiple important battles; at Mikatagahara, he was fighting alongside the Oda allies, who then fled leaving Sakai to take massive losses and nearly get killed by the Takeda. At Nagashino, he led a surprise attack on the Takeda camp while the main battle was going on.

After a certain point, it is alleged that Ieyasu ended up hating Sakai: the reason for this is that during Nobunaga's accusations of Nobuyasu, Sakai made no attempt to argue in favor of Nobuyasu's innocence when he was questioned by Nobunaga, thus leading to the latter's death.

Add on top of all that that he was the senior of the Tokugawa Shitenoh and we've got a really good add.

I like Sakakibara, but ultimately he's the least shining of the four Shitenoh and doesn't have much to show compared to the other three.
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Hmmm... i dont want sena, okatsu is more interesting to me SRS, that sakai is interesting,but hirate masahide MUCH more interesting :P
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I`m more interested now in "The Bear of Hizen" and his famous retainer. I`m sure Takanobu and Naoshige will appear in some new campaign. :hehe:
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I'd love to see Okatsu. C'mon, she's already in the Kessen franchise and Saihai no Yukue. Besides, I like her interpretations in both games. Just not another ninja if she's added in the SW franchise though, the latter must be Chiyome! A samurai woman might work, but with a very different design from Saihai no Yukue, or simply make something new for her~
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Has toshiie maeda been released??? So we can see his unique general?
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Tue May 1, 2012 12:00 pm
Has toshiie maeda been released??? So we can see his unique general?
No man, when time`ll come out you know it first. Unfortunately nothing about his reveal. The same with others, just pointless speculations are on the official forum.
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Tue May 1, 2012 11:48 am
I`m more interested now in "The Bear of Hizen" and his famous retainer. I`m sure Takanobu and Naoshige will appear in some new campaign. :hehe:
Takanobu and Naoshige would be excellent adds. With Takanobu we can maybe see a more tribal-esque Japanese design for him what with his "Bear" moniker and the fact that both Koei and others(like the Sengoku Hime games) have portrayed the Ryuzoji as a very war-centric, Nanman-like clan. Look at his Nobunaga's Ambition Online design!

It's too bad the Ryuzoji Shitenoh doesn't have anyone particularly good to add: rather, they were all great, loyal and powerful warriors, but all their accomplishments were centered in the Ryuzoji Vs. Shimazu or Otomo, and Naoshige would fill that spot better plus add a lot more especially around Takanobu's death and afterward with the Nabeshima effectively taking over the crippled Ryuzoji.
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I got a fanart for todo takatora, though it's not clear:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=26927697

But if this is really his full body, i still dont know
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I heard about hammer but imagine something bigger... castle engineer how it`s, but needles??? wtf that is ninja`s weapon, and judging by this pic he looks very young. Being a mix of ninja and engineer I guess, that`s make sense, because of his in-game connection with Nene.
Fukushima finally in the game and his personal add... is Kani Saizo. That`s how it goes.

I hope with those 5 left adds (without Mori) we`ll get some more characters. Maybe a few females, some essential warlords like Amago, Miyoshi, Ryuzoji, and not need to forget about Honganji. I also want to see a new face for Takeda. Not Katsuiori, my personal Takeda favorite is Yamagata. He could be Yukimura`s teacher and the main Takeda unit on the battlefield. Anyway Kosaka, Baba, Naito are also good choices.
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Given that he has a hammer, and there's sharp objects in his hands, I have a feeling they are nails. That's the face of a carpenter.
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Wed May 2, 2012 12:43 pm
Given that he has a hammer, and there's sharp objects in his hands, I have a feeling they are nails. That's the face of a carpenter.
Yeah I want to say nails not needles, my mistake. Carpenter? hm that`s funny. ;) Not serious image, difficult to imagine him in SW4 in a such way.
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I heard about hammer but imagine something bigger... castle engineer how it`s, but needles??? wtf that is ninja`s weapon, and judging by this pic he looks very young. Being a mix of ninja and engineer I guess, that`s make sense, because of his in-game connection with Nene.
Fukushima finally in the game and his personal add... is Kani Saizo. That`s how it goes.

I hope with those 5 left adds (without Mori) we`ll get some more characters. Maybe a few females, some essential warlords like Amago, Miyoshi, Ryuzoji, and not need to forget about Honganji. I also want to see a new face for Takeda. Not Katsuiori, my personal Takeda favorite is Yamagata. He could be Yukimura`s teacher and the main Takeda unit on the battlefield. Anyway Kosaka, Baba, Naito are also good choices.
The needles are actually nails AFAIK, i still remember that small pic someone posted(YOu maybe?) he has nails in his hand, so it kinda fitting for him, to wield hammer and nails
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Wed May 2, 2012 12:45 pm
The needles are actually nails AFAIK, i still remember that small pic someone posted(YOu maybe?) he has nails in his hand, so it kinda fitting for him, to wield hammer and nails
His hummer is a small tool, not a huge battle thing that Yoshihoro has. Yeah, I saw his image (small icon) too on one japanese site, and Komatsu was actually person who posted it there.
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As far as viability in a standard musou game is concerned, I wouldn't dwell on it too much. I mean, this is the game that has Kobayakawa Takakage use his strategist fan like a violin. I'm pretty sure that, should Takatora be added in the future, they'll give him something different or make him use his hammer a different way.
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From what i see in that fanart, i think he wears a hanten/shitagi, and a happi coat
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