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Theory as to the reason for the guest characters inclusion
Topic Started: Sat Dec 3, 2011 10:55 am (2,311 Views)
Skode
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Thu Dec 8, 2011 7:58 pm
i've been playing warriors games and DOA for a decade now, and regardless of why they included guest characters, i think it's cool. the whole WO series is a cross-over, so i don't see a reason not to bring in fan-favorites from other games.

i just think they did it for that, but that's still a really cool and well thought out idea.
Yeah its pure fanservice and i love them for it - especially the ones which seem less obvious. This will put the series nowhere near the Disgaea ones for cameos and the likes from other series but its a path i certainly am ok with KOEI taking... especially if they at least make a concerted effort to involve them in the story as well as they appear to be doing.
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Sat Dec 3, 2011 11:26 am
the guest character are cool but i still think they dont belong in orochi
it doesnt make sense to me
^THIS.

They arent cool and they have no place in the series. Next time, I hope KOEI cuts them and leave them be in their respected games.

Thats what I think Noah

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And to other members that gets annoyed because of what I posted, Get over it, its what I think, NOT YOU.
they have no place? in a fanservice game? :mellow:
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Ixbran
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Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:39 am
WynterRayn
Sat Dec 3, 2011 11:31 am
Noah
Sat Dec 3, 2011 11:26 am
the guest character are cool but i still think they dont belong in orochi
it doesnt make sense to me
^THIS.

They arent cool and they have no place in the series. Next time, I hope KOEI cuts them and leave them be in their respected games.

Thats what I think Noah

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And to other members that gets annoyed because of what I posted, Get over it, its what I think, NOT YOU.
they have no place? in a fanservice game? :mellow:
x D

exactly. this game is supposed to be a massive crossover to make fans of the series included happy.

why should KOEI ignore Zill O'll, Bladestorm, DoA, NG and TROY fans?
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EastRed Dragon
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I was actually thinking the inclusion of Ryu Hayabusa would be that Orochi in dual canon would be an Archfiend.
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FatalxInnocence
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Haha, I like your theories and I'm kinda amazed at how deep you looked into it. Good job! Hopefully someone from Koei reads this!

On a side note, their inclusions add more variety to the stages as well as the cast. My favorite stages in this game actually derive from the guest characters series but i also feel it adds more story by showing Orochis power to twist dimensions so maybe it not only introduces said characters to the game bringing their following but also emphasizes Orochis power. Maybe! ^.^;;

Basically, what I'm saying is their inclusion isn't just pointless fanservice, it adds more to the games story.
Edited by FatalxInnocence, Mon Jan 2, 2012 8:13 am.
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ChrisGalford
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Interesting hypotesis.

You know, I've been watching the intro for the first game, you know, the scene where all armies are gathering and then pink glob tube slurps them into Orochi's playground.

Also, I once theorized Yoshitsune and Benkei could be mystics as well, considering their surprisingly advanced technological weaponry. C'mon, you don't really expect ME, even with all this fantasy around, to believe a man from the 11th century to wear a LIGHTSABER? And a tall man with an arm that would be steampunk megaman?

I prefer to think as things like this:

Ryu - Since he's the Dragon Ninja of our time [besides my childhood hero back then on the times of 8-bit gaming], he felt Orochi/Youja's presence as the serpent king's dimensional power stretched to the point of reaching into other worlds. When he went on to investigate, he got caught in the mess.

Same thing I've been thinking goes for Ayane too, Anegawa and Hasedo being the places where they got when they warped, and such landscapes changed to reflect the sights they had on their minds.

Joanne - Since the author said she was burned at a stake, and accused of witchcraft, I'm quite sure Kaguya could have a role on bringing her and making a last-minute rescue. Kaguya sent Ma Chao, Sima Zhao and Hanbei back in time, so... why not stick to it?

Achilles - Same as what I think it could happen with Joanne.

Nemea could be, in fact, a man with the knowledge of the dimensional void. He joined the world created by Orochi in an attempt to prevent him to ressurect Balor... like he did with Kiyomori.

And then, the memories of Greece, France and whatever is called the realm where Nemea comes from would influence on the places they have landed.
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Its obvious. To promote Koeis other games so people will buy them, and have the guests be the reason people who dont like the series to buy it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S55lpWnTOZk

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I like the idea of bringing in other series characters, but I only like the idea of real historical people ie Joan and Achilles. I dunno why just IMO it suits the game and storyline better. I don't frown upon the others being in the game though.

In a way I think its a marketing scheme from Koei aswell, advertising the characters respective game en all..
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Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:18 am
I like the idea of bringing in other series characters, but I only like the idea of real historical people ie Joan and Achilles. I dunno why just IMO it suits the game and storyline better. I don't frown upon the others being in the game though.

In a way I think its a marketing scheme from Koei aswell, advertising the characters respective game en all..
Im not sure anyone can consider Achilles as being historical :lol: . I think whilst its certainly obvious that the characters were chosen because of the titles they represented from the rest of the Koei and Tecmo franchises it was more a case of what the fans actually wanted - i know a lot of us who have been championing the idea of Joan of Arc for WO2 never mind WO3 and Achilles was a must have after they featured a Warriors game around Troy.

I think the real question is if they did a WO4 would we be ok with the guests returning again and maybe even more - i like to get peoples views on the guests and also reading online peoples comments and reactions and its been mostly positive (only negatives were really from the usual "him/her instead of Sun Tzu" hissy fit throwers) and i actually still see a lot of people asking where Ken from FotnS and One Piece characters are in the game.

Really whether it is because of fan demand or as you believe out and out advertising for other titles i think any potential WO4 is enrichened with different dimensions guest characters bring because they have no connection with existing characters from either DW, SW and Orochi series. In fact i would be happy with the whole Troy and Bladestorm cast next time so as to rival the usual staples of Wu/Shu/Wei and Sengoku forces (the latter of which should be seperated in at least two forces as well).

The lack of english voices irks for many but i think if they are sidestepping english VAs then they really can give us a WO4 a year from now with such a greatly reduced budget required for worldwide releasing of the title - here is hoping for all we desire with the series and more.
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WynterRayn
Sat Dec 3, 2011 11:31 am
Noah
Sat Dec 3, 2011 11:26 am
the guest character are cool but i still think they dont belong in orochi
it doesnt make sense to me
^THIS.

They arent cool and they have no place in the series. Next time, I hope KOEI cuts them and leave them be in their respected games.

Thats what I think Noah

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And to other members that gets annoyed because of what I posted, Get over it, its what I think, NOT YOU.
You telling other people to get over it when you yourself could get over the fact that they are in the game as well but no you don't want to do that either do you ;).

Anyway this is just a money making strategy and they aren't supposed to fit in the universe that's the whole point of guest stars to begin with. If you people actually want the series to sell better in the west then i'd get used to it.

There's a fighting game called Soul calibur and they do the same thing by putting guest stars in their game. Helped the gamecube version sell the most by having Link from zelda in the game. The characters from star wars were also in a version of the game,and as out of place as they were in that game they helped sells.
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I'm just gonna be that guy and say that the guest characters are probably there just for the sake of being there. Koei wanted to include other characters from their other franchises, and this was the only game that sort of made sense to do it with. It's not some evil marketing scheme (although I'm sure one reason is to give exposure to their other, lesser known titles). They didn't take the spot of any other character, if Koei wanted to add other characters they would have. They're just there. And that's fine with me.
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TS : Woah, that's really interesting, I praise your effort and it's all make sense :) Well I'm not sure I think that deep but it's really add another spice to the WO3 Later...

For my Opinion, I'm really sure this is one of Marketing Strategy and Advertising Other Game (Specially Upcoming DOA 5 which DOA series was a little "forgotten" fighting game)... But I'm fine with it since I've known more games that have more weird, unfit to the series, like Darth Vader in Soul Calibur IV =_=a, Hell it's like ruining the whole Soul Calibur... but yeah I know it's only for another fans who play another game so what I can do is only Ignoring it...

Again, the five Guest from different games in WO3 I think it's really fine to begins with... I don't really care anyone except Joan :3
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Sat Dec 3, 2011 11:31 am
And to other members that gets annoyed because of what I posted, Get over it, its what I think, NOT YOU.
Funny, I wouldn't have cared until I randomly came across this. Now it's probably going to keep getting quoted for as long as the topic is here.
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Great theory. Thanks for posting this, made for an entertaining and informative read.

For the record I'm glad that these characters are in the game, and since your theory makes sense I'd prefer to believe in it. I don't really care for the real reason for inclusion probably a bit of both marketing ploy and your theory. That's what I'm going to believe happened.
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Skode
Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:53 am
AV3RzZ
Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:18 am
I like the idea of bringing in other series characters, but I only like the idea of real historical people ie Joan and Achilles. I dunno why just IMO it suits the game and storyline better. I don't frown upon the others being in the game though.

In a way I think its a marketing scheme from Koei aswell, advertising the characters respective game en all..
Im not sure anyone can consider Achilles as being historical :lol: . I think whilst its certainly obvious that the characters were chosen because of the titles they represented from the rest of the Koei and Tecmo franchises it was more a case of what the fans actually wanted - i know a lot of us who have been championing the idea of Joan of Arc for WO2 never mind WO3 and Achilles was a must have after they featured a Warriors game around Troy.

I think the real question is if they did a WO4 would we be ok with the guests returning again and maybe even more - i like to get peoples views on the guests and also reading online peoples comments and reactions and its been mostly positive (only negatives were really from the usual "him/her instead of Sun Tzu" hissy fit throwers) and i actually still see a lot of people asking where Ken from FotnS and One Piece characters are in the game.

Really whether it is because of fan demand or as you believe out and out advertising for other titles i think any potential WO4 is enrichened with different dimensions guest characters bring because they have no connection with existing characters from either DW, SW and Orochi series. In fact i would be happy with the whole Troy and Bladestorm cast next time so as to rival the usual staples of Wu/Shu/Wei and Sengoku forces (the latter of which should be seperated in at least two forces as well).

The lack of english voices irks for many but i think if they are sidestepping english VAs then they really can give us a WO4 a year from now with such a greatly reduced budget required for worldwide releasing of the title - here is hoping for all we desire with the series and more.
I'd so like to see the whole cast from Bladestorm and Warriors of Troy to get in (imagines more conflict involved with dramatic personalities)

Especially Troy... as my Xbox 360 did not get a chance to experience the moveset or characterizations that Koei did.

Bladestorm to bring more forces.. I mean if your going to rip a hole in space and time to bring the greatest warriors from certain ages, why not add the Illiad and The Hundred Years War (Already we have Zhou Dynasty and Heian period legends/characters..)
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I think I'm going to go ahead and archive this. Since the game is already out, we can safely say that the guest characters do in fact have very small roles in the game and no impact on the overall story (Jeanne is only in her stage and the one related to it, for instance) and that Koei didn't have any thing deep in mind when they added them.

It was an interesting theory, but it seems to have been debunked.
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