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| How will GM4 handle AGE? | |
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| Wild Lion | Fri Dec 9, 2011 3:30 am Post #1 |
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Since there's no doubt Gundam AGE will be featured in the next Gundam Musou game, how do you think they will handle it? The AGE Gundam has 3 different versions, with 2 different "forms" apiece. Will they only include one version? Perhaps Age-03 since they've only been including final units, but these 3 MS seem to have wildly different armaments and even different pilots, so there's a good reason to include all 3. But they each have 2 different forms, a Speed form "Swallow" and a Power form "Titus". Will Koei just use the base form alone, or will we be able to switch between them during battle like the Striker packs for Strike Gundam in the VS series? This Gundam is definitely far different than anything Koei has included before. Honestly I don't care how they use it, as long as they include the Gafran in some playable form. Edit: Now we've got at LEAST 4 main Gundams to include with the addition of the AGE-FX, and now the new enemy Gundam as well as the Dark Hound. Age has a whole game's worth of mobile suits all by itself to choose from! Edited by Wild Lion, Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:22 pm.
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| Re4_Wesker | Fri Dec 9, 2011 3:57 am Post #2 |
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At the least I would bet that we will get the 3 main pilots from the 3 different time frames along with their suits. because i'm assuming that they would all be class 1 suits to begin with, I really don't know which characters and suits could be included after that. Really we can't really tell until the series is done. As for how the alternate forms are incorporated? They could either set it up like they did with the Victory Gundam (Where the armor seemingly comes out of nowhere) or maybe set it so using different specials switches out the armor set for the suit. I hope they go with the latter idea honestly. Also, if AGE were to be included in DWG4/GM4, I would be willing to bet that the Giant Mech Space Dragons/UE would be included as a Grunt MS/Class 3. It would be kind of fun to see how other characters from other series deal with the UE lol. Edited by Re4_Wesker, Fri Dec 9, 2011 3:59 am.
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| Master Omega | Fri Dec 9, 2011 4:51 am Post #3 |
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Well, the G-Exes is a viable add since it's one of the only two units thus far able to defeat UE mobile suits. Plus, the Zedas UE mobile suit would probably be a definate add for its record against the Gundam. I really think Koei should do more work on the different forms that MS have. I was disappointed with Burning and Master's Hyper Mode, but so far, Unicorn has showed us that Koei can do something good with different forms. I was thinking of them doing something like having the Power and Speed forms attached to the ASP or GSP and have the CSP be a non-transforming attack. And yes, I'm sure the UE's Gafran will be a grunt, but seeing how this is Koei, there would be scenes where the Asunos will be astonished to see non AGE MS taking them down with little effort (especially if their names are Amuro, Char, Master Asia, etc.) lol |
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| Re4_Wesker | Fri Dec 9, 2011 1:50 pm Post #4 |
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The reason I didn't mention either the G Exes or the Zedas is because they are both from AGE 1 and we have yet to see the other 2 time frames and their suits. If AGE 1 were the only part of Gundam AGE included in the 4th game then yeah I could easily see these two suits making it in.
Yeah this is basically what I had in mind. Heck as it stands I can only see suits like the Strike and the Impulse working like this as well if they were ever to be added. the suit changes themselves should drastically alter the stats for the AGE as well. Titus for example would decrease the overall speed of the suit but it's attack and defense would increase while Spallow would increase its speed and melee while dropping its defense (I'm assuming that is what the Sparrow will be like in the show.). And about Grunts. I kind of want to see those terrible Genoace suits show up so I can see them be outperformed by Zaku IIs, GMs, and Balls. XD |
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| Noah | Fri Dec 9, 2011 4:55 pm Post #5 |
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maybe it'll be like strike in gundam extreme Vs where you can swtich forms by doing something or adding a special equepment that change the mubile suit |
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| Zeik Liberated | Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:30 am Post #6 |
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so far the Titus has been treated as a separate MS rather than a mode for the Gundam so they may just include the final form of each AGE Gundam unless we latter see the Gundam changing forms, it's not exactly like the V2 or Strike where it's just something that clips on, the suits whole arms and legs get taken off and replaced after all. |
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| Master Omega | Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:04 pm Post #7 |
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That would mean creating 9 class 1 MS, not counting a potential villain add. That would kinda suck seeing as how it'd most likely reduce the number of class 1 adds Koei could make for other series. Unless of course my math is correct and Koei will increase their roster by a certain factor, possibly 3 or 4 seeing as how DWG2 added 5 and DWG3 added 14, 9 more than DWG2 (this includes upgraded suits from class 2 to class 1). This means we may end up with the next game adding 13 or more for a total of 27 class 1 adds, or even more. But let's say that the 27 guess is accurate... -AGE has around 9-10 adds (taking into account your assumption that the Titus and Swallow should be seperate) which includes a single villain -Awakening of Trailblazer is the next big possible add will have 4 MS adds since the Gundam Meisters are now part of the roster. -Sub-Ace class 2s could be upgraded to class 1 (7 at max; no min as they're not 100% necessarily going to be upgraded) -Schwarz has Shadow Gundam added. That leaves 5-12 slots for other adds, so yeah, I guess it's possible if they're really careful about their choices. Though, to be honest, I don't think the AGE units will just have the Titus and Swallow as forms so we'd be looking at even more slots. Edited by Master Omega, Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:31 pm.
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| Re4_Wesker | Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:04 pm Post #8 |
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9-10 adds for AGE? Jeez I really hope that route won't be taken. If they were indeed seperate maybe they could have 1 of the 3 variations from each time frame instead?
I don't know if they would include Awakening. I'm sure it's possible but with all the adds that 00 will probably receive already (assuming the DLC characters and suits will be in the next game) I don't know if they would actually do this. Wing for example does not have the Endless Waltz suits. Heck if they were to do this than they might as well give Mister Bushido an alternate for Graham Aker and give him his Brave Commander type. Anyways now that I look at it I actually could see Woolf appearing in the next game. It appears that he is in the AGE 2 timeframe as well so he could have a AGE 1 outfit and a AGE 2 as an alt. The only question is which suit will he have because I doubt they would give him the suit that he uses for each timeframe (unless he is still using the G-Exes). |
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| Master Omega | Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:12 pm Post #9 |
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I doubt they would. I think AGE will only get 3-4 adds to start and would add on to that in later sequels. I know Koei would do that since 1. 00 had such a massive role in DWG3 and 2. The most recent Gundam series were the most exposed (00 and Unicorn). As for Endless Waltz, that is a possibility, but they're not much different from the current suits. Besides, they have to finish the Wing roster first before adding Endless Waltz. That depends, we'll have to see how things play out in Gen 2. |
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| Wild Lion | Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:08 am Post #10 |
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I definitely don't think they'll add 9 suits from a single series. They didn't even do that for Zeta or CCA. Maybe they'll go with something like: Age-01 Titus version Age-02 Swallow version (since it looks speedier than the first already) and Age-03 Normal version (Koei seems to prefer "final" suits as the main one) And then add Gafrans and Genoaces as grunts, and maybe Woolf as a side character. I'm only up to episode 3, so I haven't seen any "rival" MS or pilots yet that they could add. |
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| Master Omega | Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:34 am Post #11 |
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I hope everyone knows I was being a tad sarcastic with the AGE units. Koei will wait until they can put in all the AGE units (1-3) and just add bonus modes in SP attacks. But also, Koei is the same company that wasted the DWG3 DLC on 00 units/pilots and 1 Unicorn pilot/unit, so it wouldn't surprise me if they showed favoritism. Afterall, 00 has started out with a total of 6 (including DLC) which is the current record. |
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| Re4_Wesker | Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:08 am Post #12 |
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Well 9 units. Yeah. Let's just forget about X, Turn A Gundam,G Gundam,etc. I think it was a given that you were being a bit sarcastic lol. As for Awakening of the Trailblazer. I just don't see them going all out and adding 4+ units from Awakening of the Trailblazer if it were to be included. Heck even other games like Gundam Vs Gundam don't have all of them as playable yet. I could see 00 Qan(T) as a playable suit and maybe 1-2 others. Then of course if they actually added all of the protagonists suits they would probably have to add the ELS as grunts somehow for story missions (Which would be somehwhat creepy). You know what now I want ELS versus UE lol.
I actually don't see that Unicorn pilot/unit as a waste because I thought it would have already been in the game to begin with. What I considered a waste was the massive amount of 00 favouratism. Really? 4 dlc slots used on 00? They should have had 1 dlc slot or maybe 2 at the most. There are other series that could have benefitted much more from extra characters. That being said if they ever do DLC again I really hope they do a better job at incorporating it into the game. It really bothered me how the dlc pilots never showed up as allies or enemies in any of the missions. Edited by Re4_Wesker, Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:09 am.
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| PhineBuyM3 | Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:24 am Post #13 |
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| Master Omega | Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:47 am Post #14 |
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I don't consider Marida a waste, but I do consider the 00 characters to be just that. The DLC could have been used to fix a certain missing MS problem...*cough*Shadow*cough* |
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| Joshelplex | Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:07 am Post #15 |
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Id rather AGE not get too much effort put into it because the series seems really bad as of right now. Id actually rather they focus on filling out the series we already have than adding anyhting new. We need a whole lot of UC stuff like Masymere , Ridhe and his Banshee, and Cima, we need Wufei and Quatre, the rest of the Shuffle Alliance and Swarz's suit, we need the Frosties and the X Divider, we need Rey and Mwu, we need Ali |
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| Master Omega | Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:33 am Post #16 |
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I couldn't agree more. Though I'm sure they'll just do as we've said and just do 3 (maybe 4) and call it a day, leaving a nice number of slots for other MS to fill. |
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| Re4_Wesker | Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:10 am Post #17 |
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This. All of this. Seriously, this is all I seriously want to see in the next game. That and well Harry Ord and if they are feeling generous give us Crossbone Gundam as a new series expansion. And screw Awakening of the Trailblazer. Give us Ali Al Saachez and call it a day. I still dream of the day that i'll be able to see Ali Al, Gym Ghingham, and Yazan Gable rampage around the battlefield. |
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| Zeik Liberated | Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:14 am Post #18 |
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Well since I made that post they have indeed swapped modes mid battle, so it's less likely for them to split the forms up. Still going off AGE-1 I thinking swapping between the modes would be very strange, so I'd rather they just use what ever forms the AGE's use in there last battle and then either leave it as those 3 or add the final bad guy. most Gundam games these days (that I know off) seem to be making a big push on AoT so 00Q is pretty much a given the other units i don't think is to far fetched simply because we got them all this time around so upgrading them all just seems logical (logic koei, yeah that might be pushing it). Though just give me the Brave commander and the Zabanya and I'll be happy Crossbone is also getting quite the push lately especially with Skullheart showing up in G Gen and Gundam VS now so with a bit of look we might see it been added. Unicorn will of course get Unicorn Banshee added and maybe another major suit after that it's anyones guess really, personally I'd like to see Normal Seed added and the ZZ, F91, Victory, Destiny and X line ups expanded (at least by 1 each). Though Id not say no to Ali been added |
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| Wild Lion | Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:39 am Post #19 |
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I don't know about all that. Remember that all the other games are pushing hard on EW versions of Wing suits, even the manga is totally writing the TV versions out of the story, yet DWG continues to use the old Okawara style instead. Some strange decisions, for sure. |
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| Zeik Liberated | Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:00 pm Post #20 |
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true but remember that that was mainly so Heero and Zechs could be rivals in DWG1, since Tallgeese 3 is when Zechs is a ally to Heero, and also EW wasn't new when DWG1 came out. AotT is brand new, i can't see them not pushing at least 00Q into the next game heck, there's always the chance they might add EW to the next game, had the updated Epyon been shown when DWG3 was been made? if it hadn't they might of just been waiting for that. |
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| Re4_Wesker | Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:22 am Post #21 |
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As much as I dislike it AotT will probably be in the next game. I will be okay with this depending on how they handle it. If we receive the 00 QanT and maybe one other unit (Like the Brave for example) than I would be okay with it. However, I would not be pleased if they went and added all of the Meisters suits from the movie. In all honesty, I only liked the Qant's design. The rest of them looked terrible to me. As for EW, i'm undecided on if I personally would want it included especially since they already went out of their way to included more normal Wing suits. Including the EW variants would seem like a step in the wrong direction to me. Gundam Unicorn will most likely receive the Banshee in the next game and the Kshatriya will be added as well (arguably it wouldn't be a new suit though). After that I could see either the Delta Plus or the Rozen Zulu being added. And from there we will probably receive AGE as a new series addition and maybe something like Crossbone. I'm still hoping for Crossbone personally. Regardless, i'm hoping more attention is given to the series already in the game especially when compared to the last one. Edited by Re4_Wesker, Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:44 am.
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| Master Omega | Mon Jan 2, 2012 2:11 am Post #22 |
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While I'd like to think Crossbone would be added, I'd say Koei'd add AoTB because of how much they fawn over 00. Crossbone would make Zabine Chareux a definate playable since he's been in F91 and Crossbone (plus it means the Berga Giros and X-2 are playable) along with Tobia and his X-3 (the obvious choice). Other than Crossbone and the AGE characters, I'd say they should turn some focus towards shows that still need filling out of their rosters. Namely ZZ, Victory, G, X and SEED. |
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| Re4_Wesker | Mon Jan 2, 2012 9:15 am Post #23 |
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Crossbone would be pretty easy to add when you think about it. As Omega said, Zabine Chareux would not only be an addition to Crossbone but he would be added to F91 as well (giving him an alternate outfit for F91 and Berga Giros). From there I would expect to see an alternate outfit for both Seabook and Cecily as well. Crossbone Seabook would pilot Crossbone X-1. That being said, They could really treat X-1 and X-2 like they treated the Gundam MK II Aeug and Titans. After this, I would expect Tobia to be the other new addition, pilotting the X-3 (unless they want X-1 Skull Heart for some reason instead). I'm still wondering how they will treat AGE though. Perhaps Flit will get some sort of Alternate for his older self from AGE 2. The problem with this though is that Flit would need 2 different voice actors for this to work. I'd say at the least AGE will have the 3 different AGE Gundams and their pilots. After that it really comes down to who are the other prominent characters. Woolf has a pretty good shot at it sense he will be in AGE 2 as well but i'm not sure what suit he will have yet. If he is still pilotting the G Exes in AGE 2 than odds are he will get that. Also, it looks like AGE 2 gets a Zedas variant so i'm guessing that the Zedas could be a possible addition as well. Aside from this I could either see Gafrans or Genoaces added as canon fodder. Regardless, The series isn't even half done yet so we might as well wait and see before we speculate any further on AGE additions. Edited by Re4_Wesker, Thu Jan 5, 2012 2:26 pm.
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| Zeik Liberated | Thu Jan 5, 2012 12:12 pm Post #24 |
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how would they treat the X-1 and 2 the same as the Mk-iis? they would use the final versions of these in Crossbone which are the Kai versions in which case the X-2 has a huge cannon and it's signature Lance while 1 gets the screw whip |
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| Re4_Wesker | Thu Jan 5, 2012 2:19 pm Post #25 |
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Well if we were to use the Kai versions then yes they would be different. For one thing their specials would be different (X-2's would probably use the huge cannon) and due to the few differences in their armanents then again yes they would be different. The point i was trying to get across was that they both had the same weapon set before their Kai versions. If they were to use the Kai version (which is what they would probably do in the end) then yes they would be different. Plus to be perfectly honest with you I forgot how different the 2 suits weapon sets became when they were upgraded to their Kai versions. It's been a while since i've read Crossbone Gundam . Regardless, I still think that they could share a few attacks due to their similarities.
Edited by Re4_Wesker, Thu Jan 5, 2012 2:29 pm.
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. Regardless, I still think that they could share a few attacks due to their similarities.
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