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How will GM4 handle AGE?
Topic Started: Fri Dec 9, 2011 3:30 am (6,161 Views)
ShogunRok
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From what you've told me about the AGE FX I really hope that isn't the case.
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If anything in the Gundam Universe is capable of rousing anger and hatred, the AGE-FX would be just that. To have it broken in this game would piss off EVERYONE in the Gundam fanbase.
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I don't really care for AGE much myself, however at the end of the day it's the new show, they have to get it, the 00 Movie and update for Unicorn into the game, there daft if they don't. I'd rather they just bring it all in at once rather than this drip and drap crap we keep getting. I also don't care how powerful they end up been either, it's not like there's a huge difference between class 1 units, you can blaze though these games just using your favorite and thats how it should be.
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Not really. You can't say that the Gundam performs as well as Unicorn and the 00R. Or that the Hambrabi performs as well as the Turn X. While it is up to the player who they want to invest time in, that doesn't change the fact that the game is as balanced as a tilt-a-whirl going from one installment to the next. Either way, I can only hope that the game is fun overall and doesn't turn out like 3. Koei managed well in DWG1 and 2, so only time will tell.
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Your gonna save a few minutes off your time, thats about it. Your still not gonna have much trouble going though a mission in the Gundam or Hambrabi, it's not like there a grunt where your actively gimped. The game is balanced enough so you can win and have fun with your fave unit (unless that happens to be a Zaku Tank or Z'gok, in which case that's your problem). It's a Single player centric game it's not gonna be balanced, there's no point.
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With grunts and maybe class 2, I understand it, since they're meant to feel weaker, but they can still be pretty fun. With class 1, the game is pretty easy, but my problem is when you hit higher difficulties where some have obvious advantages and others become obsolete. Playing without skill builds is actually even more uneven than with them. Certain MS are nigh unplayable because of very bad SP attacks, damage inequality (due to a myriad of different things) and other assorted problems.
Edited by Master Omega, Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:31 pm.
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None of the Class 1's are nigh unplayable save maybe Guncannon the joke suit, even on the final mission as long as you play something better than Guncannon, you shouldn't have to much trouble. yes some are better than other's, of course they are, a number of Class one's are totally broken but all of the class one's are very playable. Who cares if one's better than another as long as you can clear a mission with the suit you want to?

Granted, maybe on the off chance, you can't clear the final mission with your favorite, your just not good enough or don't have a good blue print or whatever. You can still play that suit just fine on 90% of the game's mission's, who cares if you have to swap to a broken mess to clear a single mission.
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Context is a good thing, use it. Nigh unplayable ON HIGHER DIFFICULTIES where their flaws become very apparent.

Second, leveling the playing field is what many gamers want because it gives players incentive to play as other units as well, not just their favorites. It makes leveling and playing as anything else a chore, especially if you're forced to use them, like exactly what happened in DWG3.

Trust me, I love playing as units like the Gundam, Char's Zaku II and so on, but I'm not going to ignore the fact that game wise they don't perform as well as other units. And you know what else? Even if my favorites are all broken messes, I'm not going to assume others feel that it's perfectly fine either.

Besides, I already know this discussion will go nowhere. You won't agree with me and I won't agree with you. Regardless of who is right or wrong, or even if there is a right or wrong answer, at the end of the day, the one thing that matters is that Koei f*cking fixes the story mode and makes sure that they don't stroke someone off too much.
Edited by Master Omega, Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:35 pm.
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but there not though... no Class 1 save maybe Guncannon is has much trouble at all on the higher levels especially with dash tricks.

The only chore in DWG3 was the stupid forcing you to play Class 3 units, or do you want those to be as good as class 1 now? As long as all the class 1's are good, which they are, i don't see what's stopping people from playing them. they shouldn't need anymore incentive...

Gundam, Char's Zaku II, don't preform as well as say Musha, of course they don't, but they are still more than good enough to have fun with even on the harder levels.

Chill Omega. This is a discussion thread, if you don't want to discuss with me, stop replying to me. This is already drifting off topic anyway.

I agree they need to fix the story, I think they should do this by picking a few shows and focusing around them. Not in the way of DWG3 where they choose a few characters (not all new)and just focused around them to the point of ignoring the rest of the cast. But in a way that give each show an interesting interaction with the "main" shows. I'm just been realistic in saying the main shows should be the new ones + plus 1-2 old entry's.
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The reason I pointed out our disagreements is for the purpose of being off topic. We have drifted from discussing AGE.

There's also no reason to tell me to chill. So far, we're being pretty civil. I simply said that we will never agree on such a point and thus it's of no interest to pursue it.

I agree with your points on the story of 3. I did a while back because focus was something Koei didn't have. They stuffed too many characters into the story without really planning roles, so it devolved into simply focusing on a handful of people and allowing most of the cast to fade into the background. With AGE being added, one can only think how this would affect the story provided they decide to thin out the ranks.
Edited by Master Omega, Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:20 pm.
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Well I think i'm just going to comment on what I think we'll see from AGE if it's in the next game.

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Okay, at the most:

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Also, what's with all of this talk that the 00 movie should be added? I still fail to see why it has to be added at this point. Heck, Endless Waltz still hasn't been added to the series and yet the 00 movie should make it in? On top of this, They already spent time creating all of the 00 season 2 Gundams for CB in the last game. I find it hard to believe that they would just jump over to the movie versions after doing this.
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Yeah, considering this, I'm not so sure the movie MS should be added. I'd rather see that time and effort go into doing something other than 00, which was already sucked off enough in 3.
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The 00 Movie isn't the same as EW, the movie features the character's end suits and age's, EW feature's alt suits. I'd be very surprised to see Koei ignore this considering 00's popularity, it's newness and the fact pretty much every other Gundam game has the 00Q plastered over there front cover right now. Seems like a really stupid business idea to ignore it and they already have the character's more or less.

As for the story, thinning out is easy, stop trying to give Ramba bloody Ral a story mode, stop giving OYW Hatato and Kai Story mode's, stop with the playable Lacus/Luna/Schwarz/Four/Rosamia/Sarah/Reccoa. Etc in the story. Focus on the main's, give them story's to work though, no padding stage's like DWG3 did with the random do these 5 pointless missions before the next random mission with a set character on. Less missions, longer Mission's, in fact get the dev team to go play though DWG1. The 10 zillion mission's can be left to the horrible collection/friendship mission crap.
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The 00 Movie isn't the same as EW, the movie features the character's end suits and age's, EW feature's alt suits.
I'm not convinced that The Endless Waltz variants are ultimately just alternate versions. You could argue that in terms of of the movie itself they swapped out the original Gundam designs for the Endless Waltz ones but ultimately many of the Endless Waltz suits operate better than the Wing equivalents. Heavy Arms Kai Endless Waltz for example would be significantly better than the Heavy Arms Kai from Wing in terms of what it's supposed to do. Then there's the Tallgeese III, which has similar armanents to the Epyon and on top of this can actually perform ranged combat (It has beam weaponry).

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I'd be very surprised to see Koei ignore this considering 00's popularity, it's newness and the fact pretty much every other Gundam game has the 00Q plastered over there front cover right now. Seems like a really stupid business idea to ignore it and they already have the character's more or less.

The thing is though, look at what 00 already has lined up assuming they do a DWG 4:
-00 Raiser
-Reborns
-Arios
-Susanowo
-Seravee
-Cherudim

they have almost already finished up the 00 season 2 roster. Really all they would need to finish it up is Ali Al in the Arche Gundam. Heck, let's also say that they would add Nena Trinity in the Throne Drei because for some idiotic reason she's really popular. Assuming Arche and Drei were added, that would already be 8 slots devoted to just 00. 00 already has a large roster. If they were to add AOTB they would either end up:
A)Removing the 00 season 2 Roster to make room. This would cut down on content upsetting fans.
B)Just add AOTB and keep season 2 as well. This would show serious favouratism/bias towards 00, rivalling how they treat the UC era series. This in turn would annoy people who don't like 00 as much.

Now what they could do is show serious favouratism to none UC era series to balance out adding AOTB. This would mean adding Endless Waltz, expanding G Gundam, Gundam X, Turn A, and Seed Destiny, and any others that slipped my mind.

In terms of popularity though, why hasn't Seed Destiny received as many additions as 00? It appears that Seed/Destiny is still more popular than 00 in Japan and yet all it got in 3 was the Ginn. It seems even stranger that they would favor 00 and do nothing for Destiny. You could argue that they are aiming for overseas sales (since the majority of NA loves 00 but dislikes Destiny) but it doesn't look like the DW Gundam series really sells very well overseas in spite of this.

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As for the story,

This is how I would do it. Give story mode a Empires like map supporting 4 factions (Musha,Musha MK II, Knight, and whatever the 4th addition would be). The random story missions that were used as padding would be entirely optional to the story. All they would really do is unlock other pilots to use or just grant you bonus cash/exp to make it easier to do the actual story based missions. The story based missions would be significantly longer to. Oh and you wouldn't have to use a set character during a mission. For example, You don't have to use Kamille even if it's recommended that you use him. If you don't use him, he'll just appear on the map and you just gotta make sure he survives.

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stop giving OYW Hatato and Kai Story mode's, stop with the playable Lacus/Luna/Schwarz/Four/Rosamia/Sarah/Reccoa. Etc in the story.

I'm fine with them being playable in the story honestly. They just really shouldn't have a part in the greater scheme of things. Like I said, you could play as one of them instead of Kamille but the mission itself would still ultimately center around Kamille. At the most playing as a different/minor character may reveal a bonus bit of dialogue here and there in some missions.
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The EW version's are alt's hence why they have remade the manga with the Kai designs as a final version of Wing's story line. The problem with Wing is it started in the first game and they needed Heero and Zechs to fight, that doesn't work with EW. There's also the fact they aren't up grade's Heero's final suit is Wing Zero, now that can be TV or EW version. 00's movie actively brings in a upgrade and every other show has there final upgrade (save ZZ for god only knows why). is it really fair to leave 00 at there half way point when every one else get's there best toy's?

We don't need Nena added, Ali yes, but not Nena. I'd rather them not even add Ali and just give Graham and the GM's there final suits and done. 00 is done until we decide to start adding in pre final stuff for AU's. And frankly any favoritism that isn't UC based is a breath of fresh air imo.

The difference between Destiny and 00 and it's Movie is, 00 is current, Destiny came out in 2004 of course there pushing 00 and Unicorn more. 00 is popular and current. Maybe if Destiny has a remaster before the next game I could see it moving 00 to the side for a bit but not right now. Hell the Seed remaster might be there chance to jump on that band wagon and we end up with Mu in Perfect Strike and Rau, I'd prefer that but I don't think they have a better chance than 00Q at getting in the game.

The problem with doing the minor role they can't specialize the stage as well as they can with fixed character's. Going back to DWG1 if you took the Kamille/Haman route you played the same mission's but they got tailored to your character, leading to a very tight and great experience, by doing all this "you can play as any character!" crap you open the door to generic crap like we got in DWG3. Can it be done? yes, do I trust them to be able to pull that off? no. Go back to the DWG1 formula, it's tight, effective and simple.
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The EW version's are alt's hence why they have remade the manga with the Kai designs as a final version of Wing's story line.

I did say this could be argued. They can be considered Alts. However, in terms of weaponry some of them do outclass the original designs, meaning that some of these can be considered upgrades to the original Wing versions. Inside the series own timeline they wouldn't be but when you compare the two side by side the Endless Waltz versions often come up on top.

That being said though, why not have both? Assuming that AOTB does get added and 00 season 2 stays, why not give us Endless Waltz and wrap up the Wing roster while we are at it? Other games have done this easily. Heck the VS games had suits from both Wing and Endless Waltz and that seemed to work out. They could easily do this for DWG 4. Plus Wing is still a very popular Gundam series. I know several people who were happy to get Treize, Duo, and Trowa in DWG 3.

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00's movie actively brings in a upgrade and every other show has there final upgrade (save ZZ for god only knows why). is it really fair to leave 00 at there half way point when every one else get's there best toy's?

Can they actually be considered upgrades though? Raphael and to an extent Harute are basically entirely new suits due to all the changes they received. Arguably only Quant and Zabanya are truly upgrades. Then there's Graham Aker's Brave, which is more of a upgrade of the Flag as opposed to the Susanowo.

Basically the problem I see is that they've already done a huge portion of 00 Season 2. Doing the movie after completing this roster just poses the problems i've already outlined. Of course, I did say it could be corrected if they focus on other none UC series to. This would basically mean adding enough pilots to make the none UC based story missions make sense. I for one want Harry Ord to be in the next one. I would also like Gundam X history missions to actually make sense this time around (final boss was Dark Gundam for some reason....). Basically what i've said still stands. They can add AOTB but they must give the other None UC series good/really strong treatment as well.

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We don't need Nena added, Ali yes, but not Nena. I'd rather them not even add Ali and just give Graham and the GM's there final suits and done. 00 is done until we decide to start adding in pre final stuff for AU's. And frankly any favoritism that isn't UC based is a breath of fresh air imo.

That's the thing though lol. We don't need Nena yet in spite of this she's still somehow getting added to games. People like her in spite of the fact that I hate her guts. Heck she was added to the latest VS game which is just rage inducing for me. Let's just say I don't want her added but I wouldn't be surprised if she did make it in. :/

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Hell the Seed remaster might be there chance to jump on that band wagon and we end up with Mu in Perfect Strike and Rau, I'd prefer that but I don't think they have a better chance than 00Q at getting in the game

If AOTB is added and 00 season 2 stays, then there is no reason not to add Rau and Mu for the remaster. Adding AOTB and keeping 00 season 2 roster would break the rule of none UC era series only getting their final upgraded suits. I for one would love to have Rau in the next one.

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Can it be done? yes, do I trust them to be able to pull that off? no. Go back to the DWG1 formula, it's tight, effective and simple.

I did say this was how I would do it lol. I think if they did it in the way i'm thinking it would work really well. Do I trust them to do it that way though? Probably not lol. Again, I think it could work.

We can also both agree that the original DW Gundams story was by far the best. If they had 1's story with 2's Free play/mission mode then I think he would have something solid.
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I would have no problem with them finishing Wing's roster as well, I did say do the 3 new ones then finish a UC show and an AU off. that would allow 5 shows to have the main spot light and there rosters done and dusted in the game with a few bones maybe thrown to other shows (looks at X, Victory and F91). Wing is one of the better AU's to pick since it only needs 2 pilots and a few alt suits, I'd be fine with seeing EW and Wing done and dusted, it was retarded to see them add only 2 Gundam pilots and leave Quatre and Wu Fei out and is one of the reason's I don't want this drip and drap crap to continue.

Of course the Movie suits are upgrades, sure there upped to 11 but there still upgrades of that design just like how the Susanowo is considered part of the Flag line rather than the GN-X line, so the Brave is an upgrade from Susanowo which was an upgrade of the GN Flag.

Having 00 S2 rather than the movie breaks the rule of none UC era series only getting their final upgraded suits, not only is this a stupid unwritten rule but it's already been broken by Wing (Zechs) and 00.

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Umm.. They have to include characters like Lacus and Lunamaria in the story because they're extremely popular in Japan still and are part of the Star Couples from SEED(Kira/Lacus, Shinn/Lunamaria). Poor Stella though seems to be barred from DWG since Four can serve her role just fine just lacking any emotional attachment for Shinn.

As much as I don't want 00 Movie taking up a lot of slots it seems like it's gonna happen regardless. Also, they're missing stuff from the 00 S2 roster still(which fans may want to see) and if they do decide to do more 00 S2 there's a high chance Louise and her Mobile Armor would get in with Saji as an Operator or just a tacked on extra that goes with Setsuna in the 00 Raiser.

Gundam Legilis also has a nice design and seems popular enough even if it was taken out by the Dark Hound way too easily in the anime. I wouldn't mind using it but it'll depend how far AGE goes if it can get in or not. Most likely it will since it makes a decent villain mecha.


As for the Destiny Remaster... I doubt we'll see it before 2013-2014. So it's not likely it would be finished by the time of DWG4. However, I hope they add in the Impulse Destiny in it so Lunamaria can get a real upgrade and not just a hand me down from Shinn.
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Wow, am I the only one who actually likes AGE? Ok, not as much as I should be liking it, but I still like to an extent.

I don't care about particulars, I just want AGE representation in GM4. But I do agree with how they need to be careful about adds at the risk of the roster being about as useful as the roster of Marvel VS Capcom 2.
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No, Lacus and Luna don't need to be part of the story in there current state. They can be playable for all the side crap, but without there own MS, keep them out the story.

Now if they add the Eternal, Lacus can be in that during the story and not playable, if they add the Impulse, Luna can probs come in like how Emma gets in. But without there suits, keep them out. The same for Schwatz.
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Impossible, they're too popular not to include in the story in someway. They shouldn't steal the spotilght but not adding them wouldn't suit well with current generation that still loves them. At the very least they should be there supporting Kira and Shinn who are true main characters and still widely popular if only just for their Gundams.
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Yeah I don't see why you'd keep Lacus and Lunamaria out of the story if they were available. They might as well use all the characters they have - but use them in moderation. Just because they're in the story doesn't mean we should have to play as them.

Without them, we're looking at the standard Kira v. Athrun v. Shinn storyline over and over again.
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Well, if they use anyone they better not drop it a second later. Like Lunamaria being angry at Shinn and fighting him than.... Nothing after.
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Ive no problem with them been in the story and not playable, this is how I'd like Lacus, in a battleship somewhere talking. There fine as support but it's really jarring having them flying about in a copy of a one of a kind suit for story missions. Luna can be playable as long as she has Impulse so she can actually have cut-scenes like Emma.

And they don't have to repeat the standard Kira v. Athrun v. Shinn storyline at all, loads of games just set things after and have all teamed up and even then how is this any different than repeating the old Amuro vs Char, Heero vs Zechs, Kamille vs Sicrocco etc ad nauseum?
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Wow, am I the only one who actually likes AGE? Ok, not as much as I should be liking it, but I still like to an extent.

There's a lot about AGE I like as well but so much I dislike about it at the same time (see the AGE thread for a better explanation)

Really though, I want AGE represented in DWG 4. To be more specific though, I want Asemu in DWG 4. I would prefer the AGE-3 version with Darkhound but if it ends up being the AGE-2 version then i'm cool with it. Asemu has become my favourite character in Gundam AGE and he's quickly becoming one of my favourite Gundam protagonists. I would love to play as him.
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