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How will GM4 handle AGE?
Topic Started: Fri Dec 9, 2011 3:30 am (6,159 Views)
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:20 pm
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JDogindy, I don't see why they wouldn't add at least 1 suit from AGE to the main game.
Don't get me wrong; I'd actually love to see an AGE suit in the game, preferably AGE-1 Titus.

My problem is that DWG focuses on what's popular and not being pushed aside by the powers that be. Although AGE is the latest of the major franchises, the fact that people generally don't like it may mean it may not get even one unit/pilot combo in the game unless it's DLC.

As for Louise... eh, I'd rather not bother with her. Not to sound mean-spirited, but she was simply blessed with good technology and took out an outdated weakling that would've easily been a Class 3 unit (yes, I consider Gundam Throne Drei a Class 3 unit, and Nena's my favorite Gundam character).
Are you speaking in terms of popularity outside of Japan?

I'm not exactly sure of how popular it is in Japan, but I know Japan loves seed, bout outside of Japan it isn't as popular.


No way Drei would be a class 3 when the friggin Guncannon is a Class 1. I don't think they would put any actual Gundam lower than class 1.

I don't think we specifically need Luise, but more 00 baddies are needed. Ratio currently is 4 good, 2 bad.

Also, just more Mobile Armor Bosses in general would be great.
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Louise is kinda important to 00 plot and she piloted a pretty powerful MA. Though since we aren't getting an official mode for 00 she isn't needed at this time but will be needed if we get another DWG after this that gives 00 an Official Mode.

Besides, she wasn't that bad of a pilot when she was drugged up, just unstable, and nearly defeated Setsuna even with his broken 00 Raiser.
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They might add a suit or 2 just to throw AGE a bone, but seeing how irrelevant AGE actually is, more likely not.
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JDogindy, I don't see why they wouldn't add at least 1 suit from AGE to the main game.
Don't get me wrong; I'd actually love to see an AGE suit in the game, preferably AGE-1 Titus.

My problem is that DWG focuses on what's popular and not being pushed aside by the powers that be. Although AGE is the latest of the major franchises, the fact that people generally don't like it may mean it may not get even one unit/pilot combo in the game unless it's DLC.

As for Louise... eh, I'd rather not bother with her. Not to sound mean-spirited, but she was simply blessed with good technology and took out an outdated weakling that would've easily been a Class 3 unit (yes, I consider Gundam Throne Drei a Class 3 unit, and Nena's my favorite Gundam character).
Are you speaking in terms of popularity outside of Japan?

I'm not exactly sure of how popular it is in Japan, but I know Japan loves seed, bout outside of Japan it isn't as popular.


No way Drei would be a class 3 when the friggin Guncannon is a Class 1. I don't think they would put any actual Gundam lower than class 1.

I don't think we specifically need Luise, but more 00 baddies are needed. Ratio currently is 4 good, 2 bad.

Also, just more Mobile Armor Bosses in general would be great.
No, I'm actually speaking in terms of popularity in Japan itself, where the game is being developed. How else can SEED/SEED Destiny get the lion's share of focus in virtually any Gundam crossover game? I know AGE had its fans, and there are good elements, but I really can't find a lot of support for it. Think about it... AGE-1 was supposed to have been part of EXVS nearly two years ago. We're now in Full Boost with a PS3 release soon, and still nothing (in fact, no September unlock, and October unlock is Gundam Epyon, which was the only thing that was announced at TGS). It's specious thinking, but I'm surprised as hell that they haven't even gotten around to adding the next major installment when in the past incarnation, NEXT, they made sure to add a 00 unit or a Unicorn unit as soon as possible. I would like for them to actually add them out of respect, but I feel they won't be doing it.

I know the Gundam Throne Drei is more powerful than what I'd like to say it is, but I just set so frustrated as to the fact that the storyline made it a piece of crap and Nena was the only character stuck with an unmodified Season 1 machine in Season 2, plus it's got few offensive options. But, EXVS gave me a lot of hope in seeing it be a worthy fighter with the various melee kicks and spins they gave it, and if it was put into the game, I'm sure they'd use its fighting system like that. And, Lunamaria was the fanservice character without a machine until this game (instead of Zaku Warrior Custom, we had to use Char's Zaku), and seeing as how SD Gundam players often put Nena in other units, I'd think it'd be pretty unique to have her in and let her pilot anything.

As for the ratio, I'd say it's 4 good, 1 bad, and 1 indecisive (Graham willingly worked for Ribbons just to take a swipe at Setsuna, but I look at it him as a push towards bad). You should add another major villain (Ali) and preferably 1 or 2 more indecisive characters (Nena... yeah she'd actually be indecisive, but would lean towards bad actions for personal satisfaction). It won't be until 00 gets its own story mode where we can see that and other things for certain.
Edited by JDogindy, Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:16 pm.
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to be fair, SEED is only really unpopular in America. and to call it unpopular there is a stretch. It still has a lot of fans in America, just happens to also have a hate base full of people who take it upon themselves to hate on it loudly and without decency.

it's like the reverse Wing, where Wing was only really popular in America, and mediocre everywhere else.
Edited by tyrox9, Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:51 pm.
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I woulddn't say SEED is badly unpopular in the West. I liked it for the most part, though the BS they pulled in Destiny and stealing away Shinn's spotlight as main character angered me a great deal. Thankfully games like SRW Z Saga/UX/L and the such fixed that.
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Thankfully games like SRW Z Saga/UX/L and the such fixed that.
I'm really interested about why. Could you perhaps detailled it ?
Maybe by PM so we won't be off topic.
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Game is in japanese and I haven't played them in awhile so bear with me.

But basically Shinn thinks on his own, and isn't manipulated by Rey/Durandal, in those games and Kira doesn't do any jerk moves like he does in Destiny.

Such as for Super Robot Wars/Taisen L.

End of prologue stages has Minerva arrive as reinforcements for Macross Frontier with Shinn being greatly impressed by their skills when the Minerva is surrounded. It than ends with Shinn, Lunamaria, Meyrin, and the crew meeting up with the Combattler and Macross Frontier teams for a concert with Shinn making a lot of friends as they had gained his respect due to the battle they were just in.

At the start Shinn is slightly more inclined to listen to Athrun even if Lunamaria still has to keep him under control. Shinn, at Junius 7 drop, meets Yzak and Dearka, Dearka tags a long a bit as he wants to help Shinn better understand Athrun. This helps a great deal and Athrun never beats Shinn and Lunamaria is impressed by Shinn's growth as he builds bonds with everyone and controls his temper better.

Follow the Minerva Route to blast the remaining debris and head to Earth as they have no choice since Shinn went to save Athrun after Lunamaria notices that Shinn hasn't returned yet.

When they're kicked out of ORB and attacked by the Feds and ORB, Shinn is angry but doesn't blame ORB but instead wonders why they're being attacked by them after the nice things Cagalli had said. Regardless they cannot return to ORB so they continue on with Shinn going SEED and saving everyone with Lunamaria and their allies congratulating Shinn for saving them all. Even Athrun had nice things to say to Shinn.

Kira doesn't ambush the Minerva and declare war on all sides when ORB refuses to obey Cagalli, this event simply doesn't happen. Pointless and he had better things to do such as being a Hero and listening to sound advice to see the state of the world before making any rash decisions.

At Battle of Berlin, Kira understands what Shinn is trying to do and leaves an opening for Shinn to save Stella no matter what. To recruit Stella, and not just save her, Shinn must knock her below 10% health. She joins later. Shinn is eternally grateful that Stella is alive even if she has to be sent away to recover.

When they're ordered by Durandal to shoot down the Archangel, Shinn expresses his anger at the orders since he "owes" Kira for helping to save Stella when he didn't have to as does Athrun and Lunamaria. Rey though wants to shoot them down still as that's their orders. Talia comes up with a plan where they attack the Archangel and upon contacting the Archangel she tells them to pretend to be shot down and vanish for awhile so that they could save face and to repay their debt for the Battle of Berlin.

At the Battle of ORB, both sides are working together against the true enemy(Logos and Banpresto Original Enemies, none of this Kira helping ORB(and Logos) fight ZAFT/Feds). When the original enemies use new technology to get the drop on Kira, Shinn saves Kira and than Kira and Athrun save Shinn with their combo attack. After the battle Shinn, with Lunamaria, decide to ignore Durandal's orders and join up with the Archangel. Talia has no choice but to return to Durandal with the Minerva and Rey as she chooses to obey orders even if she questions Durandal's motives.

Than there's the Rey recruitment where Kira must fight Rey(And shame him with his words) and than afterward Shinn has to defeat Rey. Due to Kira's words and Shinn being the one to defeat him, Rey opts not to die but to join them after the battle as Kira's arguments are sound and because Shinn is his best friend.

There's a ton of stuff during downtime talks as well but I would have to play through the game entirely to get a good translation on that.

Note - Even though Stella living is mandatory Lunamaria is firmly established throughout the game as being Shinn's love interest and eventual girlfriend as well as his support pillar. Stella instead is shown as a little sister figure to Shinn. Shinn also is reluctant to let Stella rejoin the fight(If you recruited her correctly) but allows her after hearing her resolve and being convinced that Stella has a right to fight if she wants to. So if Shinn is that worried about Stella's safety than he should just protect her too as he's already protecting Lunamaria.

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I don't expect Koei to do anything like that for Shinn in these games. They seem fine keeping Angry Shinn and I doubt Official Mode will be getting What Ifs as it's a different team than the DW team. That and the story writers for SRW games are far better at it than Koei's and have far more experience with crossover stories than Koei does by far.
Edited by SazukeEX, Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:12 pm.
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yeah. SRW gets to explore different dimensions and depths with characters than their original material, and that's really cool.
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Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:44 pm
Louise is kinda important to 00 plot and she piloted a pretty powerful MA. Though since we aren't getting an official mode for 00 she isn't needed at this time but will be needed if we get another DWG after this that gives 00 an Official Mode.

Besides, she wasn't that bad of a pilot when she was drugged up, just unstable, and nearly defeated Setsuna even with his broken 00 Raiser.
Yeah, If I remember correctly she dominated in her mobile armor up until Setsuna defeated her. She is pretty much the Four or Stella of 00.
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Yes she did, her MA was extremely powerful and she nearly took out all of the Meisters at the same time in its debut as they had no idea what to expect from the new weapon.
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I wouldn't say Louise is all that important as a fighter. As an NPC, sure, but not enough to be playable anyways. She spends 90% of her time in combat doing nothing and only actually actively fights in about 2 battles, and her fight against the Meisters is just a few shots and then getting disabled by Setsuna. There are a lot of characters that should be added in before her were they ever to really pad 00.
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I wouldn't say Louise is all that important as a fighter. As an NPC, sure, but not enough to be playable anyways. She spends 90% of her time in combat doing nothing and only actually actively fights in about 2 battles, and her fight against the Meisters is just a few shots and then getting disabled by Setsuna. There are a lot of characters that should be added in before her were they ever to really pad 00.
Yeah, she doesn't have to be playable. Just her showing up in her Mobile armor as a boss battle would be cool.

Only new 00 Character that Needs to be playable is Ali Al Sachez.
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I don't see a reason why she shouldn't be playable. She's the Four of 00, only she gets a happy ending in the end. Besides her MA isn't that large that it cannot be made playable. Her fights with Setsuna/Saji are fairly important as he classes against her multiple times with them trying to save her even when she nearly kills them with her very powerful MA.

Saji would fit as an Operator though as the 00 Raiser is a done deal one seater for Setsuna for these games, I believe.
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I don't see a reason why she shouldn't be playable. She's the Four of 00, only she gets a happy ending in the end. Besides her MA isn't that large that it cannot be made playable. Her fights with Setsuna/Saji are fairly important as he classes against her multiple times with them trying to save her even when she nearly kills them with her very powerful MA.

Saji would fit as an Operator though as the 00 Raiser is a done deal one seater for Setsuna for these games, I believe.
I would say it's possible that saji could actually be a low tier playable pilot in the same way they made lacus Clyne a low tier playable pilot, despite her very very low involvement in piloting mobile suits; which begins and ends at about steering the infinite justice. buuuut, that is prolly not likely because Lacus was prolly made playable because she is an extremely popular character in gundam, and it would please fans to play as her. Saji on the other hand... he kind of falls on the other end of the border in that department.
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I would say it's possible that saji could actually be a low tier playable pilot in the same way they made lacus Clyne a low tier playable pilot, despite her very very low involvement in piloting mobile suits; which begins and ends at about steering the infinite justice. buuuut, that is prolly not likely because Lacus was prolly made playable because she is an extremely popular character in gundam, and it would please fans to play as her. Saji on the other hand... he kind of falls on the other end of the border in that department.


Oh god please no! The last thing I want to see is Saji jumping into my matches every so often in Ultimate mode to go on and on about how fighting is bad to Louise (that is, when he isn't just yelling Louise's name). I would rather have Katz added than Saji. Plus having the likes of Saji playable before people like Rain or Johnny Ridden (because really, why the heck did they take him out to begin with?) would just add insult to injury.

But yeah, I doubt we will be seeing Saji.

Edited by Re4_Wesker, Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:11 am.
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In this game? Doubtful we'll see Louise or Saji. If another DWG game comes out after this and 00 gets an Official Mode than we'll see playable Louise and Saji being there to yell at Louise or something, I guess.
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It depends on how serious they are about adding new playable MAs. We're probably guaranteed Destroy and Shamblo thanks to Seed Destiny and Unicorn Official modes. Given the fact that Regnant was one of the only notable MA's in 00, it might show up. It seems doubtful though given how other 00 characters like Ali Al Saachez have yet to be added (if they are added at all).

If they ever were to do a Official mode for 00 though, yeah, Louise and Saji would likely be in.
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I pray I dont have to see saji and louise. they wasted enough of my time in the tv show with their pointless, useless character arcs. dont need anymore of that in my gaaaames.
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Louise is fine, she's your standard druggie when Ribbons gets his hands on her. Besides, before Setsuna started to change Ribbons was sure that Louise would be the one to change hence why he was intent on keeping her under his firm control.

Saji though can remain unplayable. Not a very good pilot and kinda annoying. They can just have him co-pilot with Setsuna as needed during certain stages if 00 got an Official Mode.

Of course that's upon the assumption that this game sells well and a sequel happens.
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Even then i don't think it's very guaranteed 00 will get an official mode since it doesnt really stack with the series that have gotten official modes so far. in fact, with the kind of pattern it goes about, we might get a big collab crossover mode like in 1 and 3 when GW5
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Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:20 pm
yeah. SRW gets to explore different dimensions and depths with characters than their original material, and that's really cool.


But in Z2, Louise is depicted as a Mary Sue while Nena was viewed as the worst creature to ever exist, so I don't share that view. I'd rather see Nena appear as blatant fanservice before either Louise or Saji.

Isn't this sad that we were supposed to be talking about AGE?
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What fans are getting serviced by Nena?

and yeah. it is kinda weird hat 00 somehow got to be the center of conversation.
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 4:18 pm
Isn't this sad that we were supposed to be talking about AGE?
I had to speak up after Saji was somehow brought up in a AGE thread of all things.

That being said, there's little left to say about AGE. We can't make anymore speculations until we have a better idea on what other adds this game will be getting outside of Seed, Destiny, and Unicorn.
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Isn't this sad that we were supposed to be talking about AGE?
I had to speak up after Saji was somehow brought up in a AGE thread of all things.

That being said, there's little left to say about AGE. We can't make anymore speculations until we have a better idea on what other adds this game will be getting outside of Seed, Destiny, and Unicorn.
And, before I continue, I must say that my Sunday entry was when I was in a bad mood, so I apoligize.

We really can't make any speculations, and we don't even know if any of the other franchises will get any new suits, let alone AGE getting in. I still believe that ZZ might get the squeeze, even with the possibility of 125-140 units in the game.

I do want to know the exact point where AGE went wrong to get people to not like it. Either it was the kiddie-esque artwork, another hinted idea of a second alien race (Vagans = humans), a creepy first antagonist, the "hero" wanting to commit genocide, and so forth...
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Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:09 pm
What fans are getting serviced by Nena?

and yeah. it is kinda weird hat 00 somehow got to be the center of conversation.
I referred to it as "fanservice" considering that, despite being a rare female Gundam pilot (and my favorite Gundam character, period), Nena ranked very low in the 00 totem pole in terms of machine's power (Throne Drei was the weakest Gundam in 00) and personal skill level (even the director loving her didn't result in her not getting any improvements and avoiding a violent death), and once you go beyond the "worthy" pilots (Celestial Being, Ribbons, Graham, and even Ali), you go into the second tier, which would be Patrick, Sergei, Soma/Marie, and the Trinities. That's where I get across.

I actually don't want Louise or Saji in this game before 00 gets its original mode because Louise simply benefited from fancy technology, while Saji would be spending most of that time screaming "LOUISE!".
Edited by JDogindy, Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:22 pm.
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