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| Topic Started: Feb 19 2012, 05:03 AM (804 Views) | |
| Komatsu | Feb 19 2012, 05:03 AM Post #1 |
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In light of the news about WO3 (in which the PS3 version in North America will be available for download from the PSN only) there's been a lot of debate and discussion about it. Not bothering with a poll, but: What are you viewpoints? Do you prefer downloading your games online or are you a collector who likes to have the cases for whatever reason? Can you easily download or are you unable to hook up your PS3 to a wireless connection for whatever reason? It looks like a lot of people have an opinion about it, so it seems like this is the best place for discussion. 
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| Magpie | Feb 19 2012, 05:22 AM Post #2 |
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This doesn't concern me at all, since I'm a 360 owner and live in the UK. But, I can understand why people are irritated at this. I'm one of those people who prefers owning a hard copy of the game and will always do so if it's available. I don't think I'd not buy it just because it's digital only, but it'd be annoying to say the least. PS3 owners without the internet, you have my sympathy.  Seems like Koei is doing everything they can to make sales flop in the US. 
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| Jasonic | Feb 19 2012, 05:23 AM Post #3 |
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I'm a collector, so it's all about the physical copy for me. I like seeing my shelves stacked and organized with game cases, movie cases, albums, etc. A lot of "experts" on podcasts I listen to all seem to think its going to be digital only within like 5 years or something. I have wireless internet and I can play fine for the most part without lag if no one else is using the internet, but even still for downloading things it is relatively slow and I don't at all enjoy downloading things on my PS3 because I would either have to keep it on over night or while I am at school or something. While at home is pretty much out of the question, because I am either on the internet via laptop, or playing games online, and it slows down one or the other if I am trying to do both at the same time. Yeah, once its fully installed on the system, its better so you don't have to swap discs to go to a different game, but I rarely play multiple games in a single day anyways. And while it is somewhat dumb, I feel I have a higher sense of ownership over a physical copy rather than digital, simply just because it is in my physical possession. I almost always support the developers and buy new games, but sometimes some games have a lot less interest to me or too many games at once, so I find it nice to be able to borrow from my brother's collection sometimes. For me, physical copies is just the better way to go all around. I really don't know why every person in the video game journalism industry sees zero reason for it anymore. Seriously, every time it is brought up on podcasts I listen to, it's never defended. |
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| Skode | Feb 19 2012, 10:03 AM Post #4 |
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There was bit of back and forth about actual full ownership of a game when buying a copy, i have to agree with Snowman i believe who said this is not the case - you are merely buying into the right to use the content, the license to play the game if you will. Reason i have this conclusions if you pay Ł40 for a game, its YOUR game right to do as you please but as soon as you start submitted gameplay of you playing YOUR copy you can quite sadly find the copyright brigade chasing you down. Thats just my take on it and i could be wrong but thats where i feel on the little debate that was started but was off topic and as such got put to a halt pretty sharpish. As for the digital vs retail version i think it should be a case to case basis. W03 is a great example of digital release being the right call - niche titles dont sell big and come with great expense when releasing the content worldwide due to transport taking a health bite of the pie and the retailers likewise, the actual game devs get a only get a small piece of the pie as there is even more wanting a cut including your Sonys, Microsofts, Nintendos etc. Now as its niche and sells small that means really next to no real reward in the grand scale of things for their efforts... i think this really highlighted with lack of english VA talent being hired for the title. The fact it ISNT on disc however isnt Koeis fault but its a blessing in disguise - will the game get a great advertising budget... nope, will the critics give masses of paragraphs to its release via reviews... nope and does even NA really by the vast majority even care to research into finding out the game details or even that it exists never mind the release date... nope outside of the hardcore fans already on board the series. As such it being put up on PSN means everyone and anyone who owns both a PS3 in NA and has access to the internet means a massive chunk of the userbase of the console coming across the title at no extra cost to Koei, given its a cheaper price more people could feel compelled to give it a go or failing that at least become aware of its existance and come back to it at a later date. All Koei needs to do is make sure the price is right and name drop the likes of Ayane, Ryu and Achilles to capture the imagination of PSN users who probably have never heard of the series before... after all Twitter and Facebook only ever reaches the word as far as fans who care enough to follow them anyway and those tend to already be on board with the games details. |
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| Mr_Nice_Guy | Feb 19 2012, 10:46 AM Post #5 |
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This is toward @Nefertieh.(WO3 thread) I dont want to go through the hard work of redownloading just to play for a moment. Makes no sense.(then I believe they stopped that too). I want physical to bring it anywhere, and play. |
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| Saber | Feb 19 2012, 01:57 PM Post #6 |
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I don't have the luxury of a fast internet connection. Heck, I use dial-up, which can only connect to my laptop, not a PS3. The only time I get fast Wi-Fi is in Starbucks. I practically don't have a choice when it comes to this. But even if I did, I would go for the physical copy of the game anyways. I'm like Ashitaka in this case. I love collecting instead of downloading, and that includes song albums, DVDs, manga, novels, games, you name it. And that includes keeping the boxes that they're packed in. Once I'm done with them, I put them back in the box and put them on a shelf. (And once I turn 30 I'll sell all of them for a price  )But that's not exactly the reason why I prefer the physical copy. For one, it's the Blu-Ray quality that comes with the game. If I want to play a game, I might as well go for the best picture quality I can get. I find that there's a sense of anticipation when you wait for a game to be released, and when it is in the store, you get a feeling of accomplishment when you buy it. When you download something and buy it online, it's really "meh". But perhaps the biggest advantage of a physical copy is that you can rent it. If you to a game store and rent the game, you can actually try it out for yourself. If you don't like it, you can return it. With a digital copy, you can't. If you downloaded it, too bad, no refunds, no exchanges, you have to deal with it. And that's what I don't like. (Plus you can lend your friends your copy and borrow from them, and sometimes if you don't want a game anymore you can sell it.) So there. I hope I've made my point clear. |
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| ChibiGingi | Feb 19 2012, 08:16 PM Post #7 |
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I can see the benefits to the gamer, and the developer, to digital downloads. But that's only if said gamer has a reliable internet source, which, even in this day and age, not everyone has. I personally have to make a 30 mile trip every time I wish to connect to the internet with my consoles, or risk getting a fine for having a wireless router set up in my apartment... neither one I really like to have to do. Other people here don't even HAVE internet outside of computer labs or their cell phones... Unfortunately, Sony of America has pretty much given up on those gamers and assumes that everyone has a fast, reliable internet source, and those that don't are simply going to have to either get the 360 version (and a 360), export from the UK, or simply miss out. We'll see. Personally, I prefer to have a physical copy. I understand the developers want to make sure that their product is purchased and they get the money instead of retailers, but really, it's not going to help at all with piracy. You're just giving them an easier way to get this game illegally... trust me, I'm sure people will find a way now that they don't even have to bother with a disc. Give them a few days after the release and you'll see. Anyway, I don't pity developers anymore. Ever since developers like Quantum Dreams whined and accused their fans of piracy over purchasing Heavy Rain, a very niche and experimental game, pre-owned, I stopped feeling sorry for them every time someone purchased the game used. Some people like getting a game that they can play and, surprise surprise they don't like it, can get a full refund within those 7 days. Or, renting a game for a day or two to get an idea if they feel it's worth dropping down a full $60 for. Trust me, if Soul Calibur V wasn't available in Redbox, I'd never have picked it up... but then again, Namco isn't getting my money anyway, so **** them. You shouldn't be rewarded for half-ass works... when you drop the other shoe for SCV, then we'll talk again. It's an unfair situation to some gamers, as it's the developers and Sony assuming everyone will have a reliable internet service at this point, and while it's pretty much the way of the future (digital download), we still need a few more years before they switch completely to that. I'd rather not, given that I'm a collector, but the kindle and e-books haven't killed books yet, so there's hope that it won't be the ONLY available version of video games any time soon. And the whole licensing issue... screw it, I own the disc, I own whatever's on the disc, and being that I have no interests in posting any of that content online, it's for all intent and purposes mine. Once I start doing illegal stuff with that disc and content, THEN they can get on their legal high horse, but until then, stuff it. |
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| Shigeharu | Feb 19 2012, 09:12 PM Post #8 |
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hahaha e-books, ugh. I think e-books are a great innovation that has some amazing advantages (my parents are doing constant business travel between the US and Europe, and moving between residences - if they had to try and ship their books around, I don't even want to think about how much more money they'd be spending on those moves). But the physical copies still certainly have advantages of their own - the collector's value, the ability to loan to a friend, and depending on what kind of device you use, they can be much easier to read, period. (Kindles do nicely in the sun, but iPads...  )And yet despite the fact that these are two very different delivery mechanisms for media, each with their own distinct advantages and disadvantages, publishers are reluctant to acknowledge that they're dealing with a new media format and change policies accordingly. Library licensing agreements for e-books are ridiculous; in most cases an e-book can only be checked out to one patron at a time (despite the fact that there is no physical limiting factor that should make this necessary), and the license expires after the e-book has been checked out about 24 times - because that's the average number of uses before a hardcover book wears out and is replaced by the library! The licensing agreements basically cancel out the very advantages that would make e-books a good investment in the first place. It's asinine. I think there is a lot of merit to having both versions available, because they have pretty distinct advantages and disadvantages over each other, and people are going to be looking for different things. I don't care much about the physical storage issue, and I like being able to take a game to play with a friend (I'm still annoyed that hard drives have replaced memory cards, because now even with a physical copy, that's a tricky prospect). This kind of media sharing is how I got some of my friends into some series in the first place, and now they buy them as religiously as I do. As for copyright, there is a middle ground between "owning all rights to the game content itself" and "owning a license to play this copy of the game." It's the middle ground that used bookstores, libraries, and movie rentals have been treading for years, and while game distribution is admittedly a somewhat different beast, so the same business model isn't completely parallel, I think companies would do better to learn to work with that middle ground instead of trying to stamp it out. |
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| Xalfrea | Feb 20 2012, 01:37 AM Post #9 |
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I don't totally hate the idea of digital downloads, but I'm not really on board with them. Not the least because: A. A lacking of a reliable internet connection B. A certain mistrusting of online transactions C. A larger target for piracy I'm more of a physical person myself. I like to collect things, and the idea of showcasing stuff you bought with your own hard-earned money (Like books, CD's, DVD's, games) gives you a much larger sense of satisfaction than merely owning something online. Now if it's an item in question that hasn't had a physical release in a long time, like a Game Boy game, then I'm up for that. But if it's something recent, rather have the physical. Edited by Xalfrea, Feb 20 2012, 01:38 AM.
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| Sera | Feb 21 2012, 03:19 PM Post #10 |
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I'm all for retail copy of games. I like to physically own what I spent money on. Moreover, I'm fond of pictures in general, so original box covers and booklets are always welcome. |
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| Ixbran | Feb 22 2012, 07:05 AM Post #11 |
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if you ask me, going to the effort of importing as well as making a foreign country PSN account, just for the sake of having a physical copy, is kind of derpy ... you wait days for it to get to you, just so you wont have to an hour or two of downloading? i just don't get that logic at all ... all that hard work and money spent just for a physical copy ... at least with a digital copy you don't have to worry about a disk wearing down or getting scratched. Not to mention if the PS3 is anything like the PSP, games downloaded on the current system can be transferred over to the newest system when it comes out. like how PSP games can be downloaded and played on the upcoming PSVita. if Sony dose eventually come out with a PS4, then the downloaded copy of the game can just be re-downloaded to the PS4. and if you have a PSN+ account you can store all your games save data onto your PSN account, then re-download it onto the newer system. also, what if Sonys PS4 is Region Blocked and all your imported games no longer work? or what if it dosent have PS3-Disk compatibility, like the PS3 not being able to play PS2 disks. all that work to import games would be wasted ... im not trying to bash on people who want to import ... but its just ... so confusing. |
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| Saber | Feb 22 2012, 10:43 AM Post #12 |
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It's better than leaving our PS3 on for hours or maybe days, because most downloadable games are about 5-7GB (or perhaps even more). It would overheat if you just leave it on like that for days. Not to mention the frustration if your Internet connection suddenly cuts out. For those who have a fast ISP, good for you, but a lot of us don't. I use a dial-up connection, and I don't even have the luxury of a Wi-Fi connection, much less for a PS3. And some us just prefer a physical copy because it looks nice, they're collectible and like seeing things on shelves. And besides, disc compatibility won't be a problem, since we'll just use the PS3 to play PS3 games obviously. Like most others, the sense of satisfaction is there who. We physically own something, like a CD album or even a book. |
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| Shigeharu | Feb 22 2012, 09:14 PM Post #13 |
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Took me over an hour just to get the DW7 voice DLC, and that was only a gig. For a full-sized game, that's going to be at least five times as large. And it's not just time issues; there are space issues, especially for those with older PS3s. I'm going to have to see about installing a bigger hard drive, because I don't want to upgrade to a newer model with more disk space - I like having the reverse compatibility. And really, those who didn't import to play a Japanese copy have already waited months. Some extra days may not be such a big deal for them, y'know? |
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| Ixbran | Feb 22 2012, 10:10 PM Post #14 |
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a few days vs a few hours ... and people would rather wait a few extra days, over a few extra hours? i still don't understand it ...
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| Yunou Vermillion | Feb 23 2012, 12:05 AM Post #15 |
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I prefer retail copies of games. Who knows that someone would eventually use the internet and hack people (Yeah, I don't have to log on to the internet. I'll still be behind in gameplay anyways) -- which results in removing all the save data I've worked hard to build up? But this also applies to my laptop too since I do like some games that are for the computer, but I need to get the full version of the games by downloading them instead of a physical copy. |
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| Kalina91 | Feb 23 2012, 05:40 PM Post #16 |
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I like the feeling of having an actual copy of a game. I do understand the reasoning on why it became a digital download but yea for people with Internet problem, etc. It's going to be a pain. I mean just yesterday I was downloading the recent DLCs for DW7 and it wasn't downloading as fast as I remembered. Either way, reason why I like a hard copy is because of the game actually being there, in its case and all that. |
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| Shigeharu | Feb 23 2012, 09:08 PM Post #17 |
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When you've already been waiting months, how is that such a big deal, especially if you also have space concerns that would be better served by waiting a little longer - or if your internet is bad and the download would take you longer anyway? Half the stuff I buy ends up sitting for a while before I start playing it these days anyway, because sadly I don't have the copious amounts of time to play video games that I did when I was a teenager. Which means I'm even less likely to mind waiting a little longer because there's a good chance I'd be busy with something else instead of playing stuff right away anyway! Patience is a very good life skill to learn, anyway. 
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| DarkDante | Mar 4 2012, 12:59 PM Post #18 |
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Depends if it's a game I really want I'll go all out for it with a preorder and possible Collector's Edition (last year got the Infamous 2 Hero Edition, Resistance 3 Survival Edition, Arkham City CE, Dark Souls LE) so price isn't really an issue for me. But if it's a game I'm not that into and I can get it for cheaper through digital channels I don't mind using that either. I must admit at first I thought Steam was a pretty retarded system and questioned why anyone would ever use it but now even I can't live without it, great way to get older and cheaper games, which can be played almost immediately after a purchase. However portables are an exception, I don't want to be lugging around cartridges and I currently have 4 games for my Vita but only one of them is a physical copy: Uncharted. |
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| SolidZone 26 | Mar 13 2012, 10:08 AM Post #19 |
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For me, I rather have the physical copies of any video games. Some exceptions are if the digital download is discounted greatly, hard to find as a retail disk, saving shelf space for better physical copy games, or if it's on PC. Even if the digital download costs a lot of space on the hard drive, it doesn't concern me as I hardly ever use all that space anyway. For example, I have both God of War I and II on PS2. I want to get Chains of Olympus and Ghost of Sparta on PSP, but I rather not get it as UMDs as I don't have the space on my shelves to store them. Although I do have the shelf space for God of War: Origins Collection on PS3, I won't get it as a blu-ray disk either because it's not a game I would want to play again in the future. I'll end up sitting in dust unused after I beaten both of them. So I decided to get it as a digital download. |
 
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| GalenDev | Mar 18 2012, 08:33 AM Post #20 |
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Digital Copy for PCs, but I prefer physical games on console. There's something... satisfying of a bookshelf full of video games. |
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| Fuuma | Dec 10 2012, 09:50 PM Post #21 |
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Retail Copy all the way, unless there's no option but to Digitally Download the game. |
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| Artorias | Jan 11 2013, 04:16 AM Post #22 |
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Retail copies. I'm a collector, i love seeing my shelves stacked and organized with game cases.  If there is a game that i like and is only available as a Digital Download though, i go for DD, sadly.
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| Epic Score | Jan 11 2013, 04:40 AM Post #23 |
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I usually prefer retail, because digital copies take far too long to download if your internet connection sucks. |
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