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Dynasty Warriors 8 + XL DLC; DLC is Downloadable Content
Topic Started: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:21 am (358,528 Views)
The Outsider
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I agree, I think characters such as Ma Chao, Sun Quan, Xiaoqiao and poentially Xu Zhu may change due to sharing weapons with generics but entirely unique users will likely stay that way. Guan Suo though suits the Nunchaku completely fine, he's meant to be a young, fast martial artist.
Edited by The Outsider, Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:11 pm.
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Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:05 pm
Nope, not anymore, all weapon have been made to fit the EX user in DW8. They're built around the character and not generalization.
Do you really think Chunhua's weapon fit her ?
The wired gloves has been made huge especially because of the weapon switch in my opinion.
There is actually no rule for changing EX weapon owner.
Our logic is not Koei's logic.

Look at DW7 flail.
At the beginning it was Cao Ren and Dong Zhuo's weapon.
At the end, none of them is using it at all.
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Bonshaquitalafondria
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Garnix, I wouldn't bother arguing with Chen Gong on this subject, many have tried and many have failed lol.

I for one am really hoping Suo gets the greaves as Ling Tongs new Nunchuck type weapon has made using the nunchucks just boring, I actually use the 3 section staff on Suo and not his ex weapon, but whatever. Just glad we finally have martial arts :) << Should probably add this is just my opinion.
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Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:05 pm
Nope, not anymore, all weapon have been made to fit the EX user in DW8. They're built around the character and not generalization.

Ehh? Like which weapons? Zhang Chunhua had to have those gauntlet things because of weapon switch, they were made to fit any character. Weapons like the flute weren't made all that feminine, just so Male characters could use them. These new boots are made to fit big people Like DZ, nevermind that they'd likely look like they should fall off or weigh a smaller character down, or that DZ would have no business doing quick martial arts moves with his build. The weapons definitely aren't just built for one person, and likely won't be as long as weapon switch stays.

Edit; Myself, I like the nunchuks alot more than Ling Tongs new weapon. Quick, stylish with the martial arts mixed in, I just happen to love it.
Edited by DSkull, Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:21 pm.
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Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:17 pm
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Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:05 pm
Nope, not anymore, all weapon have been made to fit the EX user in DW8. They're built around the character and not generalization.
Do you really think Chunhua's weapon fit her ?
The wired gloves has been made huge especially because of the weapon switch in my opinion.
There is actually no rule for changing EX weapon owner.
Our logic is not Koei's logic.

Look at DW7 flail.
At the beginning it was Cao Ren and Dong Zhuo's weapon.
At the end, none of them is using it at all.
SSX, Sun Ce's, Xianqiao and Wang Yi's (only naming a few) have all significantly shrank and I don't think Chunhua's is big at all :wacko: . They could switch the Nunchaku to a different character but it'd have to literally be re-altered to fit that character like Gan Ning where both the standard and charge attack string changed. You might think Chunhua's gloves look a bit big, but those greaves look frickin' huge garnix.

EDIT: I much prefer the Nunchaku to Ling Tong's new weapon personally as well.
Edited by The Outsider, Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:26 pm.
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Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:19 pm
Garnix, I wouldn't bother arguing with Chen Gong on this subject, many have tried and many have failed lol.

I for one am really hoping Suo gets the greaves as Ling Tongs new Nunchuck type weapon has made using the nunchucks just boring, I actually use the 3 section staff on Suo and not his ex weapon, but whatever. Just glad we finally have martial arts :) << Should probably add this is just my opinion.
Watch, they'll give Ling Tong the nunchucks again and then Guan Suo the Sanjiegun. Because if anything's gonna piss people off, that will. :wacko:
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Koei aren't retarded, I don't think they'll do that :wacko: . But that would annoy me, because the Nunchaku just doesn't suit Ling Tong at all and plus I personally don't think too highly of his character at all.
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Aw well, I guess if you don't like it Chen, then it's obviously fact that it's bad.

Going to complete the rest of the DLC now, Wynter will be online at around 9pm UK time so he will update his gallery then :)

The Gauntlets are Gauntlets, they are completely oversized and look quite silly on such a petite woman like Chunhua. Again, my opinion, not fact, like Chen :)
Edited by Bonshaquitalafondria, Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:33 pm.
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Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:23 pm
garnix
Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:17 pm
Chen Gong
Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:05 pm
Nope, not anymore, all weapon have been made to fit the EX user in DW8. They're built around the character and not generalization.
Do you really think Chunhua's weapon fit her ?
The wired gloves has been made huge especially because of the weapon switch in my opinion.
There is actually no rule for changing EX weapon owner.
Our logic is not Koei's logic.

Look at DW7 flail.
At the beginning it was Cao Ren and Dong Zhuo's weapon.
At the end, none of them is using it at all.
SSX, Sun Ce's, Xianqiao and Wang Yi's (only naming a few) have all significantly shrank and I don't think Chunhua's is big at all :wacko: . They could switch the Nunchaku to a different character but it'd have to literally be re-altered to fit that character like Gan Ning where both the standard and charge attack string changed. You might think Chunhua's gloves look a bit big, but those greaves look frickin' huge garnix.

EDIT: I much prefer the Nunchaku to Ling Tong's new weapon personally as well.
Well, I can't judge the weapon size with just two tiny screenshots. I have to see it in action first.
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Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:30 pm
Well, I can't judge the weapon size with just two tiny screenshots. I have to see it in action first.
True, we can only go off that image :) .

But those greaves look Deng Ai/Ding Feng worthy to me, not Suo, Zhang He or Zhuge Dan for example :wacko: .
Edited by The Outsider, Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:38 pm.
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The metal greaves look cool, I'll get those. Judging by the the colour it looks like a Jin character weapon. But then it wouldn't be the first time they didn't match the colours to the character, thinking of Zhenji's bright red flute.

DW6 costumes it depends. I hope they are free this time, I'm not paying money for them again.
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Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:09 pm
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Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:05 pm
Plus, I don't think Koei are dumb enough now to shift old weapons onto new characters as it technically makes them not new at all.
That right there is the key point of why its meaningless to move the weapons around (unless they are clone with generic, which that's different story). New will stay with new while unique is already stay unique... unless they completely update on next console.
Unless of course the retool the old ones with new animations, but at that point just keep them on the old characters.
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Thu Jun 6, 2013 5:57 pm
The metal greaves look cool, I'll get those. Judging by the the colour it looks like a Jin character weapon. But then it wouldn't be the first time they didn't match the colours to the character, thinking of Zhenji's bright red flute.

DW6 costumes it depends. I hope they are free this time, I'm not paying money for them again.
They're usually first and second weapons though, they usually don't fit the character. Other than the characters who received de-cloned characters weapons (Wang Yuanji, Guan Ping) then the third weapons often suit the character, so going off that as this is a new weapon I think it should go to a Jin warrior.
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And honestly, as someone said, Our Logic =/= Koei logic. For all we know the have no intention of giving character weapons with used by generics a new weapon at all, it's just people OCD or whatever flaring up. Personally, I'd just give the Nunchaku some new charge attacks and call it a day.
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I'd change Guan Ping, Sun Quan, Xiaoqiao and Ma Chao only, the rest shared by generics I'd definitely keep the same. Changing Guan Suo's weapon is just a ball-ache and look how stubborn they're to keeping Xiaoqiao with the Iron Fan despite her Twin Fans being her signature weapon. Oddly enough I always saw Ling Tong as a clone of Guan Suo and Koei seems to have thought on a similar wavelength by de-cloning Tong instead of Suo. If they wanna change Suo then fine but personally I think the look is horrendous on Suo and people are thinking too much into it :/ .

And it's not like Koei are just gonna let the Nunchaku be dropped, it'll need a 'flail' treatment on somebody else.

EDIT: Plus, let me just point out seeing as nobody else has done, Ling Tong never used his weapon in all 3 of his Musou's like Suo! Koei clearly are just associating footwork to the Sanjiegun and Nunchaku to give it the extra martial arts feel.
Edited by The Outsider, Thu Jun 6, 2013 6:22 pm.
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Personally, I would love tweaks for weapons between gender, but I feel like that's asking for too much. But if they were able to alter most of the movesets in WO3, then they can probably do it for DW. As for weapon size, it would be nice if some weapons would change size depending on the character using it.
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In terms of between genders, I would be happy with simply having different running and standing animations. They did it for the Club in DW7, the running and standing animation for either gender were totally different.

But in terms of movesets, I don't mind that they stay the same.

But what I would want is for the weapons to be more centered around their EX user. Most of them are still very generic, left over gender neutral moves and animations to compensate for every character needed to use that weapon. Such as the flute and the iron fan. There is no personality in those weapons. But look at the flail, it was built around Gan Ning, and you could tell. It fits him perfectly. They just need to do that with every other weapon and we'd be golden.
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The weapons in DW8 are a lot more suited around the character than in DW7. DW7 just basically made everything really generalised and large which was so ugly, now the size depends on the ex user and more suited to them. I wouldn't care if weapon switch went away some day, but I think it's gonna stay for now.
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I actually don't mind the weapon switch, if it stays fine. I won't be all that bothered by it.

I just want every weapon to be more suited to its user, and not just by size. The iron fan is smaller, but I miss the clumsy, flail about until he hits something Xiaoqiao of old. The Iron Fan is a good moveset, it's poise and elegant...just not very Xiaoqiao.

Most of the new weapons added since DW7XL were made to fit their EX users. The downside to the weapons that didn't get changed is that they maintained their same generalized moveset. Some fit well enough, like the Throwing Knives and the Great Sword, some could be better... like the flute and the dao (cool moveset, but a little to jumpy for Quan, me thinks).

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My problem with Weapon switch is something small. The current switch allows you to choose any weapon you like, which means when you do your musou the game cannot register if you are using that characters ex weapon or not, so everytime you do a musou, your characters use their 3rd weapon skin. It's small I know but it bugs the life out of me.

This could be dealt with if KOEI made it so that you HAD to have your characters EX weapon equipped at all time, then the 2nd weapon is optional.

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Thu Jun 6, 2013 8:31 pm
My problem with Weapon switch is something small. The current switch allows you to choose any weapon you like, which means when you do your musou the game cannot register if you are using that characters ex weapon or not, so everytime you do a musou, your characters use their 3rd weapon skin. It's small I know but it bugs the life out of me.

This could be dealt with if KOEI made it so that you HAD to have your characters EX weapon equipped at all time, then the 2nd weapon is optional.

Wow, my mind is blown, Reiss said something relevant, constructive and good :D .
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Thu Jun 6, 2013 8:31 pm
My problem with Weapon switch is something small. The current switch allows you to choose any weapon you like, which means when you do your musou the game cannot register if you are using that characters ex weapon or not, so everytime you do a musou, your characters use their 3rd weapon skin. It's small I know but it bugs the life out of me.

This could be dealt with if KOEI made it so that you HAD to have your characters EX weapon equipped at all time, then the 2nd weapon is optional.

They already proved in WO3 that they can get the weapons to switch to your current equipped model. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out how to test if Weapon 1 or Weapon 2 is your EX weapon and use that model. If they don't have their EX equipped, then they have the default 3rd weapon. If both weapons are the EX weapon, use the higher level model.
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That was a common criticism back when 7 was first announced. It's more relevant because Strikeforce was the one to first incorporate weapon switching and it featured the fixed EX weapon placement. Also featured the affinity mechanic first as well, only it was far more practical there because it was based on weapon type versus what enemies you were fighting instead of the limited version we have now.

Still a debate about the lacking points of weapon switch seems out of place in a thread about downloadable content.
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What is it with people being against characters who are already decloned getting new weapons? I mean, theres NOTHING wrong with it.

If Koei will add a new character they can give her/him a completely new weapon. I hope to god Guan Suo gets the boots and Sun Quan the Flame Sword, more weapon choices.

Some people...UGH.
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Thu Jun 6, 2013 9:00 pm
They already proved in WO3 that they can get the weapons to switch to your current equipped model. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out how to test if Weapon 1 or Weapon 2 is your EX weapon and use that model. If they don't have their EX equipped, then they have the default 3rd weapon. If both weapons are the EX weapon, use the higher level model.
Yeah, well in WO3 it was the only weapon the character had, there's a huge difference between that the weapon switch system. Not to say it couldn't be done...but it's a heckuva lot harder than you're trying to make it out as. In fact regardless i'd much prefer a suggestion like strikers, because it could fix just about all the problems I have with weapon switch. :)

@ Wynter, Maybe people actually LIKE the weapons people have now? :rolleyes: Maybe they like the character having a weapon that fits them, and would prefer the weapon they like being attached to a character it actually fits instead of sitting in some damn no-user limbo? I dunno, people must just be silly. :whistle:
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