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Dynasty Warriors 8 + XL DLC; DLC is Downloadable Content
Topic Started: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:21 am (358,515 Views)
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Lil'Richard
Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:37 pm
^Quan should've kept at least a few charges and moves from Orochi but they dumbed his Dao back down to the DW7 moveset. The iron fan however, was improved in my opinion and it works fine with Xiao Qiao now.
I agree it works fine but Some of Xiao Qiao's fans really want the twon fan as its her Signature weapon and Even if Da do not have it its still okay as she have Twin Pugil Stick and If Xiao have have the Twin fan back its represent the Two Qiao

The Twin Fan is Stronger,Signature Weapons and It better in my opinion...
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I felt that Blazing Sword is consider the best weapon for Sun Quan, but I think few changes with Dao move-set shouldn't be that bad. I think that the Blazing Sword could fit on new characters, but again we don't know until Empires.
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I'd imagine the flaming sword will go to a future Wu character. I hope that it would go to Quan, but it'll most likely go to someone like Cheng Pu, Zhuge Jin/Ke, or any potential future Wu add.
Edited by Katatonia, Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:40 am.
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I thought the Blaze Sword would go to Quan in the future. I mean it's sort of identical to his pre-DW6 sword, and it fit his character. Isn't that a hint. I couldn't see it going to Cheng Pu since he's one of the few characters with a unique weapon mentioned in the novel. But perhaps if they added Zhu Ran, I wouldn't mind them giving it to him instead. But still, in my mind it seems it should belong to Quan.
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DLC weapons should not go to new characters IMO, it takes away half of the exploring you have to do with the character when you've already played to death with the weapon months ealier. Older weapons are more plausible for me since they are more likely to be tweaked from their generic, no gimmicky and uninspiring state.
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It'd lose hype for new characters if they're just using old DLC weapons, but I'd hate if they wasted opportunities to make character using what look like fun and interesting weapons too. Probably best to keep DLC weapons 'free' in the next iteration when people are expecting 'New', then allocate them during XL and Empires and any other expansion they come up with to milk the series.

I still say the traditional Sword fits Sun Quan, since he's not presented as the warrior or conquerer his father and brother were. If they make late-Wu, the Blaze Blade would be a good weapon for a later Wu Emperor.
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Yinverted
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I still say the traditional Sword fits Sun Quan, since he's not presented as the warrior or conquerer his father and brother were. If they make late-Wu, the Blaze Blade would be a good weapon for a later Wu Emperor.
While true that's hardly an excuse in this sense.
Cao Cao wasn't a warrior and he got a new sword set. There are plenty of characters who weren't "warriors" per se and they have new and revamped weapons.
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Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:31 am
I agree it works fine but Some of Xiao Qiao's fans really want the twon fan as its her Signature weapon and Even if Da do not have it its still okay as she have Twin Pugil Stick and If Xiao have have the Twin fan back its represent the Two Qiao

The Twin Fan is Stronger,Signature Weapons and It better in my opinion...
How its it stronger or more of a signature weapon? You have zero evidence a new twin fan moveset will not be weaker or even resemble the one your being nostalgic about. As for signature few have signature weapons in the game beyond the likes of Zhuge Liang and Lui Bei, others have seen their actual signature weapons in the hands of other characters.

Making new movesets just for the sake of them being like what they were before is pointless when they are already decloned especially when they could end up with a moveset which is even worse. Some of the new DLC weapons show they are getting really creative with movesets, i want more of that if the insist on creating more leaving the DW7 legacy weapons where they are... that way those who like older movesets like me get to keep playing with then and those who prefer gimmics can get the new ones - it seems every moveset isnt just a straight forward button masher anymore as we get timed windows through to charged attacks to make the newer weapons stand out more.
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Nghet
Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:05 am
DLC weapons should not go to new characters IMO, it takes away half of the exploring you have to do with the character when you've already played to death with the weapon months ealier. Older weapons are more plausible for me since they are more likely to be tweaked from their generic, no gimmicky and uninspiring state.
Yinverted
Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:40 pm
It'd lose hype for new characters if they're just using old DLC weapons.
This is exactly why that Blaze Sword just can't go to a new character rather than Quan. Half of the anticipation of a new character is how they are going to play in the game. Give them an old weapon and it is such an anti-climax.

The blaze sword is perfect for Quan, and no character deserves that boring generic Dao after it was used to death in DW7. For people in the "traditional weapon" camp like yourself Skode, they could still keep it for use as a secondary weapon in weapon switch. I don't see anything wrong with having more weapons than characters if we have weapon switch, it will give us more selection and help to give more combinations of weapons.

But I just think after DW7 it is better nobody uses some of the old DW7 weapons that were cloned to death as an EX weapon. For characters like Guan Suo it doesn't matter at all and he doesn't really need updating because only he and Ling Tong had it before. But the Dao is the best example of one which was too cloned. I had high hopes for Sun Quan in DW8 and "disappointed" just doesn't do it when I found out he still had that Dao.
Edited by Erminaz, Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:28 pm.
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Hey, dude ... you seapk about Xiao Qiao fan but no one speak about the ABNORMAL neerf on Xu Shu Sword.

DW7E weapon is better than DW8 ...
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That sword can have two more millions nerfs and Xu Shu is still broken
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Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:39 pm
Hey, dude ... you seapk about Xiao Qiao fan but no one speak about the ABNORMAL neerf on Xu Shu Sword.

DW7E weapon is better than DW8 ...
Cause We love Xiao Qiao Fans or Want Her Twin Fans back

We do not want Xu Shu to have the Twin Fans or Fans
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Sure but Su Shu doen't need nerf.
In DW7E, you could Link his C4 with C and continue combo, in DW8 : not at all.

More over, I don't know if it's me or not but I can't combo his EX move with Musou 1
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I agree with not using DLC weapons for new characters. It takes away the fun of the new character reveals. If they do use any of them for new characters, I hope it's only one like they did with the short pike. Out of the four DLC weapons so far, I think the screw crossbow would be the most likely one used on a new character. I don't see it fitting on any character that doesn't already have a unique weapon perfectly suited to them. I feel like you almost have to design a character around the weapon to make it work as an EX.

Here are my guesses if the DLC weapons go to current characters:

Like everyone's said before, the blaze blade should go to Sun Quan, if for no other reason than the fact it looks so much like his old sword (Wolf Sword).

The top 3 greaves look like dragons and the fifth one is green, and right now Guan Suo is the only male Guan who isn't wearing some kind of dragon armor piece in his outfit. Also, the whole he kicks a lot already argument.

Hard to say without seeing the moveset, but Wang Yuanji seems like a safe bet for the Emcei piercers since her throwing knives are used by generics now. It would also make sense to have one of the first 4 DLC weapons be designed with a female in mind. Changing her EX weapon would also give Koei another reason to showcase her since she's so popular in Japan. It would fit well with her new shorter non-poofy sleeves to.

I'd love to see more DLC weapons that would fit characters who share with generics right now that could be made into their EX weapons in Empires. Or just revamp them in 8 XL like they did in 7 XL for a few characters. Like give Ma Chao a new spear moveset and name it "Stallion Spear". Guan Ping could get a moveset where he holds the sword in the same style as his DW5 moveset, I always liked how unique that looked. I wouldn't mind seeing Xiao Qiao get her twin fans back since I got so tired of the iron fan in DW7 already seeing it on every strategist type generic.
Edited by Cao Zhang, Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:37 pm.
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I disagree. I'd rather see these new weapons go to a new character who they truly fit, rather than have them shoehorned onto already unique characters who's weapons already fit them.

Sun Quan? Alright sure, maybe on this one. The Dao was used me everyone and their grandma in DW7, and while it's a weapon I like for it's simplicity, it is arguably the most generic weapon there is, and they did nothing to change it to suit Quan. The blaze blade however has fire for wu, all those spinning motions Quan seems to love, and a badass pose that leaders often seem to have in their moveset. (Back turned to the explosions behind him, sword in the ground with both hands on the end = leader pose) -w-

The greaves look hella dumb on small characters like Suo, and I don't find it so fitting. I like the chucks better than giant boots that send you flying in the air when they look like they be the equivalent of being pushing into the ocean in cement boots. I mean I love the moveset, but if they want to keep the boots that size for weapon switch, give 'em to a big character, a 'faster than he looks' kinda guy.

Wang Yuanji, absolutely should not change, the throwing knives are arguably one of the most unique, skillful ranged weapons in the game, which I believe generics never should have gotten. (You want generic, go look and Huang Zhong and Lianshi -w- ) They've also been her iconic weapon since introduction, I don't see that changing. I don't want to either though, mind you. xD

Hmm...Ma chao's got a good thing going with his spear this time, I think, seeing how it has alot of moves from the other old spears as well. Such as Jiang Wei's old C6. Kinda wish he'd gotten more along the line of what Wo3 gave him...but the spear is a good weapon. Basic, but holding charge for different moves still makes it unique. Guan Ping I'd agree biasedly on, I hate the slow giant sword he has now, and I really don't find it suiting after the show he had with his old sword, bring that back please xD Xiao...I mean they shrunk her fan and added moves from WO3 just for her in the game. I think she's fine just how she is. Better than flailing about with the grace of a rabid poodle with two fans and hardly any range.
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If people feel that the weapons released after vanilla DW7, are getting more "broken" than those in vanilla DW7, why even change the weapon altogether, rendering the unique moveset and weapon they did have....useless, or to generics.

Nerfs and Buffs shouldn't even be a factor for this game. Online is not Versus Multiplayer. It's Co-Op. At least in DW7, and WO3 it was.
Edited by Ryoreiki, Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:45 pm.
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Greaves is cool weapon, which I admit, but I agreeing that Guan Suo taking it will be not a good choice for me. I think that there will be the time that it could possible happen that it get changed moveset while new weapons might assign to exist characters. There are theories and we don't what's going happen to next

(Cao Zhang, welcome to Koei forum!)
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Thanks Sun Baekho.

I'm not sure if I actually want the DLC weapons to go to those characters or not yet. I didn't get the Japanese version so the only gameplay I've seen for the movesets are videos. Those are just my best guess based on the things I described. All we can really do now is speculate anyway. I'm really looking forward to English release though!
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2bh i dont see the point in dlc going to existing characters just kind of a waste conlsidering every1 is unique and although some weapons r used by generics generics dont use ex attacks n musous i love sun quan etc how they r

the dlc weapons wil probs b tweaked further like the short pike to fit characters etc

do agree tht guan ping is really the only 1 that shud change back to his zanbato moveset
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I actually think it is not a waste. It is a technique to "refresh" not so attractive characters.

Sun Quan with a flame sword? Well his current sword just sucks and he is not the more popular character out there. Flame Sword+ Sun Quan =only main ruler not popular may become popular.

What about the original sword?well, IDK it just sucks. Make it a basic-intro weapon for everyone or send it to a new ruler like Sima Yan or Sun Hao. Both of their fathers started with those after all.

Guan Suo with the leg gauntlets? Maybe. He isn't the most popular for a semi-new character and the nunchucks still don't fit his costume. Yet, those leg gauntlets are hard to control and way big(for what I have seen)!

Guan Ping had his fan base since he was introduce. Guan Xing new yet more popular than Suo. Yingping out league all of his brother at once. Yet, Suo is the lost Guan brother who people still not like because he arrived before Xing and with a girlfriend. Maybe with adjusting the gauntlets to actually fit him may improve his popularity.

Nunchucks can jump to someone else IDK maybe Lu Kang to make it some type of inside joke :A.

Thus, I don't mind those weapons going to those guys.
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:05 am
I actually think it is not a waste. It is a technique to "refresh" not so attractive characters.

Sun Quan with a flame sword? Well his current sword just sucks and he is not the more popular character out there. Flame Sword+ Sun Quan =only main ruler not popular may become popular.

What about the original sword?well, IDK it just sucks. Make it a basic-intro weapon for everyone or send it to a new ruler like Sima Yan or Sun Hao. Both of their fathers started with those after all.

Guan Suo with the leg gauntlets? Maybe. He isn't the most popular for a semi-new character and the nunchucks still don't fit his costume. Yet, those leg gauntlets are hard to control and way big(for what I have seen)!

Guan Ping had his fan base since he was introduce. Guan Xing new yet more popular than Suo. Yingping out league all of his brother at once. Yet, Suo is the lost Guan brother who people still not like because he arrived before Xing and with a girlfriend. Maybe with adjusting the gauntlets to actually fit him may improve his popularity.

Nunchucks can jump to someone else IDK maybe Lu Kang to make it some type of inside joke :A.

Thus, I don't mind those weapons going to those guys.
So you would use broken movesets to make a character more popular? How would that work when you just take your faves like Lu Bu and give them that weapon instead?

If they want to make a character more popular then it SHOULD be through story and character interactions as far as im concerned - Xiahou Dun is timelessly popular because of his favoritism at Koei when it comes to the story. Dian Wei and Huang Gai way down the list of favoured characters till Koei gave them more emphasis in the story and their popularity increase was dramatic to say the least, hell people even admitted to caring for Xu Zhu for the first time since i joined the forums.
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:05 am


Guan Suo with the leg gauntlets? Maybe. He isn't the most popular for a semi-new character and the nunchucks still don't fit his costume. Yet, those leg gauntlets are hard to control and way big(for what I have seen)!

The greaves aren't hard to control, but they do require some adjustment for people who play defensively since the S-string will only continue if it makes contact with an enemy. It's a really offensive weapon as a result, and the constant necessity to jump cancel may be difficult for some players. I think it's the best jump cancel weapon in the game next to the sanjiegun in my opinion since it has two infinite combos and a ridiculously strong aerial switch attack.


I think the game needs more weapons like this, honestly. The flexibility the greaves have is insane, and it's a shame that many of the vanilla DW7 weapons lost a bunch of their jump cancels in 8. Hopefully this is a sign that they won't keep nerfing things for no reason.
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Id still hope for Lu Kang and Cao Zhang if the greaves didnt go to suo...as long as it is not female character....when MCG said about Wen Hu...i doubt he is a BIG character because that's kinda contradict when you say the greaves are big because the chara is big...
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I can't stand how the greaves don't even cover the character's feet. They look like they'd fall off after one kick! I wish that glitch where they don't appear worked for me. Still my favorite moveset in the game, though!
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:18 am
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Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:05 am
I actually think it is not a waste. It is a technique to "refresh" not so attractive characters.

Sun Quan with a flame sword? Well his current sword just sucks and he is not the more popular character out there. Flame Sword+ Sun Quan =only main ruler not popular may become popular.

What about the original sword?well, IDK it just sucks. Make it a basic-intro weapon for everyone or send it to a new ruler like Sima Yan or Sun Hao. Both of their fathers started with those after all.

Guan Suo with the leg gauntlets? Maybe. He isn't the most popular for a semi-new character and the nunchucks still don't fit his costume. Yet, those leg gauntlets are hard to control and way big(for what I have seen)!

Guan Ping had his fan base since he was introduce. Guan Xing new yet more popular than Suo. Yingping out league all of his brother at once. Yet, Suo is the lost Guan brother who people still not like because he arrived before Xing and with a girlfriend. Maybe with adjusting the gauntlets to actually fit him may improve his popularity.

Nunchucks can jump to someone else IDK maybe Lu Kang to make it some type of inside joke :A.

Thus, I don't mind those weapons going to those guys.
So you would use broken movesets to make a character more popular? How would that work when you just take your faves like Lu Bu and give them that weapon instead?

If they want to make a character more popular then it SHOULD be through story and character interactions as far as im concerned - Xiahou Dun is timelessly popular because of his favoritism at Koei when it comes to the story. Dian Wei and Huang Gai way down the list of favoured characters till Koei gave them more emphasis in the story and their popularity increase was dramatic to say the least, hell people even admitted to caring for Xu Zhu for the first time since i joined the forums.
Look at Wang Yuanji and how popular she is

Yet her weapon is so hard to manage without switching to a different one.
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