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Dynasty Warriors 8 + XL DLC; DLC is Downloadable Content
Topic Started: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:21 am (358,495 Views)
Erminaz
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With the more comical weapons I'm in two minds, I really don't mind them on characters who are "less relevant" (basically on females or fictional characters), as these are already stretching reality anyway. There's also a "within reason" factor for me where the weapon is not so ridiculous it is just totally unbelievable. I just think my problem comes when it goes beyond comical and the most RANDOM, crazy weapons just appear out of thin air.

As for people whining, I'll hold my hands up and admit that despite what I said earlier I do complain about Sun Quan's dao, shamelessly. However that is mainly due to how tired the moveset is after several characters used it in 7. I completely agree about Ma Chao and Lu Meng's movesets though, there is nothing wrong with them and they are nowhere near as tired out as the dao.
Edited by Erminaz, Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:47 pm.
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Skode
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Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:20 pm
Skode
Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:10 pm
Its gonna get to the stage where there is meant to be an emotional or intense fight scene where youve got one guy with an spear dueling against a guy with a rocket launcher... how does that work?
With benevolence, obviously :dance:

I like the ridiculous weapons, they add a flavor of fun to the whole thing. But that isn't to say normal spears and swords can't be fun, there are all kinds of different moves and moveset possibilities for another spear or another sword, I just think everyone has become jaded since the cloen issue o DW6 and 7 that seeing multiple of the same kind of weapon freaks them out "HOSNAP HE BE A CLONE!"

DW3 had like 4 people with a spear and they all had a unique moveset. So it is possible. Like 6 people with a sword, all had a unique movest (despite the first 3 moves in the s-string being the same, but they were all mostly unique).

That said, I am still holding out for those ridiculous symbols in DWO to come into DW...probably to a female character, cause LOL they can't fight with real weapons.

Also the pistols....
The amusing thing is they rant about the Dao sword yet at the same time demand Sun Quan gets the Blaze Sword... basically just a different sword. Xiao Qiao another... they want rid of the iron fan so she can instead have - yup another set of fans. As such im not sure if i believe half of what people say when they go on about further "decloning" already unique characters with new weapons especially if they are on one side weary of swords after the clone issue and then shortly after demanding the newest sword goes to a character who used one anyway.

Hell im seeing people here and there ask for Gan Ning to get the old Scimitar of his back, same with the Zhou Yu elder sword... guess you cant please everybody :lol: . We all get weary of movesets but i dont think there is valid reason to tamper with them when there is 70 odd other movesets to use when they get tiresome.
Edited by Skode, Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:56 pm.
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The Outsider
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And that's how it should be, better for SW to be the trial run instead of DW which is their biggest franchise. Best to a next-gen SW first, see how it's received then do a next-gen DW.
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LLSmoothJ
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Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:18 am
Personally I wouldn't mind if somewhere down the road Taishi Ci gets a DLC weapon as his new EX weapon. It's time he retired the Twin Rods, they're not that good a weapon anymore when compared to the newer ones.
By that logic the majority of the weapons need to be scrapped (Staff, Rapier, etc). But there are some unique perks that could be expanded upon on existing weapons (I.E. Flute causing slowdown, extra slashes/blade cuts from the curved sword).

I'll state my stance upon the decloning situation. Personally the only characters, if any, that need new weapons are Sun Quan, Xiaoqiao, Ma Chao, Guan Ping, Wang Yuanji, Xu Zhu, and Zhang Jiao, and that's only because they share weapons with the generic officers. While Guan Suo with the Grieves/Boots would be awesome (Haven't tried to move set - waiting for West Release - but I like what I see of it so far) and that I believe the Bladebow suits Yueying A LOT more than the Dagger Axe, they don't need to change their weapons. They're unique and unlike the aforementioned seven they're not sharing their move sets with anyone.

I know that people won't be happy about Yuanji and Zhu loosing their Iconic Weapons (Read: Weapons they've had ever since their inclusion). But like I said before, if Zhang Liao, Pang De, and the like can lose their Iconic Weapons, why are they exempt? Basically, why is it okay for some characters to lose their iconic weapons (clone/duplicate move sets aside) but not others? People want Gan Ning and Zhou Yu to get their swords back even to this day while they both have perfectly good, unshared move sets, but Koei doesn't bite. Mostly due to them being decent and yes, nostalgia (I'm not one to rip on that. God knows how much I stated how much I hate the direction they're taking Daqiao's character lately.). Granted I feel the same way when it comes to Xiaoqiao and the Twin Fans (Since Da's not getting them anytime soon), but that's also due to the fact that there's no good reason why they were nixed in the first place since they were even in DW6 (Other than to give the generic strategist characters a fitting weapon to use in DW7 that wasn't the War Fan or Shaman Rod).

Basically, all we can do is just hope for the best in regards to what we want and if it goes well? Awesome. If it doesn't? The weapon switch mechanic exists for a reason. And just so that we're perfectly clear, just because I'm advocating the changing of a few's weapons does not mean that I want their former weapons to just be nixed and unusable. There's no reason for it.
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Mr. Kamikaze
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we should be getting the DLC in a few hours, no? Or is my timing off? (its been a...hectic week).

Pretty excited to see how the blade bow plays and how the fans look (though...we can guess they'll just look like Xiaoqiao's pink flowery pattern fan from DW6)
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DSkull
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Really, the cloned with generic argument again? Throwing knives are easily the most unique, interesting ranged weapons in DW, the generics never should have gotten them. Shoulda got the bow, how many people in Rotk CAN'T use a bow? And what would be better, should generics get whole movesets to themselves that the player can't use? They wouldn't be clones then, but people would definitely cry to be able to use those movesets. Take away every single weapon used by generics, and throw them off to the side for people to still use? They lose their EX attacks, which are LITERALLY the only things that make weapons unique in this game after weapon switch. If anything generics should be able to use ALL the weapons in the game, add some variety. Weapon switch makes every single character in the game a clone anyway, since the characters no longer matter. Weapons have to be designed with weapon switch in mind, not their wielders.
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LLSmoothJ
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Well the DLC page has been updated...

No Twin Fans next week, but we're getting new skins for the Blade Bow, a new mount, and what appears to be a jungle town.
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Ryō Genken
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http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/smusou7/dlc/

Website updated....no twin fans next week...wait for two weeks...possible indication for DW8XL or SW4 announcement?
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Mr. Kamikaze
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awww, booty. Oh well, at least we get to see the bladebow in action, and i'll have DW8 by next anyway so i wont even care by then :XD

A corkscrew! That i just brilliant...I have to say, however stupid the joke weapons are, I love seeing how creative they get. :XD
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Daikyō
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The DLC site has been updated:

http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/smusou7/dlc/

But apparently the twin fans will be released two weeks later since there's no preview about that weapon. Well played, KOEI. -_-

edit: beaten. :P
Edited by Daikyō, Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:01 am.
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Ixbran
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Awww, foofie, not cool!

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i was looking forward to seeing theh fans!
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Daosiying
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Buying weapon. Now it's a matter of who gets to report on it first.
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Tetsuo9999
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I don't want to drop $18 on a weapon I'll probably hate, so I'll wait for your report first.
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UpInMahBubble
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I hope they don't cancel the twin fans and give them to a new XL character similarly to how the sais were supposed to be DLC in Vanilla 7 but got kept for Wang Yi.
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:07 am
I hope they don't cancel the twin fans and give them to a new XL character similarly to how the sais were supposed to be DLC in Vanilla 7 but got kept for Wang Yi.
If it was given to XIaoqiao then i dont mind it...
But if it was given to somebody else....kolkolkolkol...
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LLSmoothJ
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:07 am
I hope they don't cancel the twin fans and give them to a new XL character similarly to how the sais were supposed to be DLC in Vanilla 7 but got kept for Wang Yi.
The only reason why the Trishula were given to Wang Yi in XL was because of the PSN hack before it could be released (I think the Great Axe was released shortly before it happened) so don't worry.
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UpInMahBubble
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LLSmoothJ
Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:11 am
UpInMahBubble
Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:07 am
I hope they don't cancel the twin fans and give them to a new XL character similarly to how the sais were supposed to be DLC in Vanilla 7 but got kept for Wang Yi.
The only reason why the Trishula were given to Wang Yi in XL was because of the PSN hack before it could be released (I think the Great Axe was released shortly before it happened) so don't worry.
I thought the Great Axe and Sais were planned to be released together though?
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LLSmoothJ
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UpInMahBubble
Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:33 am
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:11 am
UpInMahBubble
Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:07 am
I hope they don't cancel the twin fans and give them to a new XL character similarly to how the sais were supposed to be DLC in Vanilla 7 but got kept for Wang Yi.
The only reason why the Trishula were given to Wang Yi in XL was because of the PSN hack before it could be released (I think the Great Axe was released shortly before it happened) so don't worry.
I thought the Great Axe and Sais were planned to be released together though?
It would've been in the Western version, but in JPN they were releasing one weapon per week (Usually bi-weekly, IIRC). After the Axe was released in Japan, the PSN hack happened and PSN was offline for months before the Trishula could be released (There was even a picture of Yuanji using the weapon). That was when Omega Force decided "screw it" and moved the weapon to be used for a new character that turned out to be Wang Yi.
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Mr. Kamikaze
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I believe they were, there was even a solicit for the trishulas showing Wang Yuanji using them. Then they cancelled it and just give it to Wang Yi in XL, letting the Great Axe go through as planned, but solo. What LL said :XD

I dont think the twin fans will get cancelled for XL...who would they go to?

Unless, they give the twin fans to Xiaoqiao and give Chen gong the Iron Fan...... :O
Edited by Mr. Kamikaze, Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:38 am.
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LLSmoothJ
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Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:37 am
I believe they were, there was even a solicit for the trishulas showing Wang Yuanji using them. Then they cancelled it and just give it to Wang Yi in XL, letting the Great Axe go through as planned, but solo. What LL said :XD

I dont think the twin fans will get cancelled for XL...who would they go to?

Unless, they give the twin fans to Xiaoqiao and give Chen gong the Iron Fan...... :O
If anything, the Iron Fan may be another default 2nd weapon for some characters so that they won't have everyone and their grandmother have the Dao as their 2nd weapon as a default.

Thinking about the Trishulas now, it makes one wonder if the PSN hack didn't happen would Yuanji have been decloned with them in Empires and Zhurong keeping the throwing knives? Or would the throwing knives have gone to another character or even become ownerless?
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Chen Gong got that. He got twin fans. Be ready to XL announcement. No new characters besides him, other dlc weapons wil stay as dlc. New weapons will be realeased next time for XL.

just my thoughts and nothing else.
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Well the bladebow...

It's a 4 star weapon with strength characters but produces no whirlwind? wtf KOEI!

My character was very vulnerable on Chaos because I had absolutely nothing to help me with certain situations.

It's a good moveset but awful for playing with on the harder difficulties.
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If it's not whirlwind, then maybe it must be a dive weapon or have shadowless step like the flail and green dragon?
Edited by bluebolting, Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:33 am.
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Ixbran
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so it generates no whirlwind? maybe its not a power type then. have you like, tried double jumping, or doing the shadow sprint?

maybe its a weapon that, pressing the jump button when taking damage cause them to back flip, like Zhao Yuns dragon spear
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Mr. Kamikaze
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In other words, have you tried BEING BETTER!? :shifty:

Kinda booty that its not a speed weapon, jump canceling seems like it'd be perfect for that weapon (which is probably why they didnt make it a speed weapon :sly: )

I tink if its a dash weapon, or shadowless feet...or wonder type....or spirit charge....whatever the hell its called now <_< I think that'd be okay.
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