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Dynasty Warriors 8 + XL DLC; DLC is Downloadable Content
Topic Started: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:21 am (358,414 Views)
UpInMahBubble
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I hope this means we get the daggers too, but I wouldn't mind this weapon being left CAW only. I think Meng Huo is fine with the gloves. Only character who really needs a new weapon is Chen Gong.
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garnix
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:56 am
garnix
Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:53 am
However, what I do not get, is the fact that people want new characters to get DLC weapons are their main.
I completely disagree with this. Since it means there would be less new stuff to enjoy in the next instalment. (even if I know Han Dang case of changing the moveset a little bit)
This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard omg lol. :lianshi:
Thanks for your understanding. Appreciate.
I personally find it stupid to ask for new characters to get weapons we already played for many hours...then I'd rather have the weapon stay CAW exclusive.
Anyway, as Forrest would say : stupid is as stupid does.

@GambitCajun : I have to check DW8 credits again. But, in my opinion, less efforts on movesets doesn't mean more efforts on the rest.
People working on stage design are probably not the same than people working on animations, who are not working on AI development. And none of them are working on the scenario writing.

And even with EX weapon 2, you will still be able to choose the weapon you want. Nobody forces you to use EX weapon.
And, SW4 do not allow to use other characters weapon.
Neither do WO3, nor all DW before DW7.
And it doesn't mean the series are dead...
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Ryō Genken
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@garnix: I still stand to my belief that weapon switching will be gone by DW9 or maybe even DWSF3rd if it exists(cause that is the game where it implements weapon switch)

At least, weapon switch will be shelved to one character as a unique perks. While the other characters gets perks in terms of their gameplay style( they have been doing these type of gameplay style such as Chen Gong and Fa Zheng) and cannot equip OTHER character's weapon.
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MĀJĒD
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Too much weapons Koei :facepalm: I have no problem with them and I will buy them for sure but what will they do in the future with them?! As I said before the best way to implement the DLC weapons is to give the DLC ones to some characters
Meng Huo + Stone Pillar
Xiaoqiao + Twin Fans
Sun Quan + Flame Sword
Guan Ping + Revolving Crossbow
Guan Suo + Sabaton
Wang Yuanji + Eimei Daggers
the crossbow could go to a new character (Ma Su)

their old weapons can be used also but with no EX user. The generic also will have different weapons and they can make a new big generic with the gloves.
Still I want a new spear movesets to Ma Chao maybe twin spears as a DLC.
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KineticBackHand
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Fantastic news about more dlc weapons on the horizon, it just sucks that we won't prolly get them in the states til Christmas :kurokan:
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The Rearguard
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IMO characters with their current ex are great with the exception of guan ping and sun quan. they have reasons to release those old weapons and i feel ok to play the old weapons as secondary weapons for some characters
hm...ma chao needs his own stallion spear too :unsure:
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:49 am
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:46 am
Oh wow, the Pillar's back. Am I dreaming?? *_*

Now I really hope they can bring back Gan Ning's DW6 daggers. In the future they can go to Dailai Dongzhu as I imagine him as some sort of wild jungle warrior; the Pillar can be given to Wutugu and we're perfect for a Nanman expansion (that is, if KOEI would also like to add Huaman as well).

I think your version of Dongzhu and my version of Meng You are the same?!
Fixed. :dz:

Yes, I do envision Dailai Dongzhu as a speedy forest warrior/ranger whose swiftness and agility contrasts the raw wild power of his sister and the brutish physical style of Meng Huo. The daggers would fit him perfectly in this respect. He'll be a very different kind of Nanman warrior, since the ones we already have focus on high damage output and not much on speed. Also in other KOEI games he is often portrayed as the strategist for the Nanman, and the daggers would give him the image of a jungle scout who knows how to use the terrain to his peoples' advantage.

Not to mention that if they add Wutugu, he'll probably be a hulking fighter guy as well. Dunno what route they'll go with Huaman, but I somehow imagine her as a ranged character.
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Sera
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Personally, I don't care much for the Pillar, but I'm happy for the people who do.
I just hope Meng Huo will keep his gloves.
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Mark Robin
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I didn't know Meng Huo use Stone Pillar before he use gloves. What dynasty warriors number was it?

Second, I didn't expect that Xtreme Legends will get dlc weapons... that's the first.
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:35 pm
I didn't know Meng Huo use Stone Pillar before he use gloves. What dynasty warriors number was it?

Second, I didn't expect that Xtreme Legends will get dlc weapons... that's the first.
1) 6:Empires and Strikeforce (the console versions).

2) 7XL got dlc weapons as well lol.
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actually in DW7 era all DLC Weapons were released for DW7 and were compatible for DW7XL.

However the Stone Pillar is exclusive to DW8XL, not being released for DW8 and being compatible with 8XL.
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I liked the pillar in DW6 felt like Donkey Kong trashing up the place. Hopefully we get a brute who uses it, and maybe the Nanman can have Dailai Dongzhu as their strategist type with a different weapon.

Maybe this is a sign that Others may be considered now for their weapons.

I think we may also get all the DLC weapons onto those that fit it IE-> Guan Suo with boots etc, when it comes to Empires.
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Ao Kuang
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Allow me to show my (lack of) IQ, real quick: what's the time difference, normally, between the Japanese release of DLC and other regions' release? I've tried to figure it out, and either I'm stupid (highly likely) or simply missing something.

Thanks!
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The Musou blog has updated again about the new dlc.

The first one is Xiahou Yuan invading Chengdu with the people he had in Hanzhong. The next one seems to be like Zhuge Dan was betrayed by Wen Qin and even Sima Zhao teams with Wu to kill him so he has to fend for himself. The last one is the most hectic. It's Cao Cao vs Zuo Ci and 6 waves of dopplegangers, one of which is your allied army he creates.
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No idea what Koei is going to do with all dlc weapons (which is 7 already). It`s their headache. I would still prefer 2 more returning weapons: Gan Ning`s daggers and Wenji`s erhu.
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At this point they don't even care to make new content they're making you pay for things that used to be free in old games!!! So stupid! (pillar)

I was okay with twin fans (for biased reasons mostly) but also because it was an entirely new moveset and most of the fans were new too. But they're flatout selling old weapons like they're new and people are buying them. Its just ridiculous...

It would make more sense to unclone a character like they've been doing but some of these weapons especially the pillar are just unnecessary because Meng Huo doesn't need it? And the moveset itself with a tree and mushroom are just nonsensical to the point where it doesn't fit the game at all. Sure you can say that lots of the weapons in this game like Xiahou Ba's new weapon and such but the pillar just never made any kind of logical sense...

It doesn't help that the fans practically COMPLAIN if Koei doesn't do this... meanwhile the game itself isn't even as complete as... say.. Dynasty Warriors 5... -__-;
Edited by Tessen, Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:11 pm.
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garnix
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:10 pm
At this point they don't even care to make new content they're making you pay for things that used to be free in old games!!! So stupid! (pillar)

I was okay with twin fans (for biased reasons mostly) but also because it was an entirely new moveset and most of the fans were new too. But they're flatout selling old weapons like they're new and people are buying them. Its just ridiculous...

It would make more sense to unclone a character like they've been doing but some of these weapons especially the pillar are just unnecessary because Meng Huo doesn't need it? And the moveset itself with a tree and mushroom are just nonsensical to the point where it doesn't fit the game at all. Sure you can say that lots of the weapons in this game like Xiahou Ba's new weapon and such but the pillar just never made any kind of logical sense...

It doesn't help that the fans practically COMPLAIN if Koei doesn't do this... meanwhile the game itself isn't even as complete as... say.. Dynasty Warriors 5... -__-;
"Things that used to be free in old games" ?
Wait...what ? In games where one character = one weapon, they managed to add secondary weapons for free ? :o

You know that the pillar will get a new moveset to, right ? Just like many DW8 weapon got. (Lingqi's being just one example)

DW6 weapons coming back with charge attacks etc. is definitely new weapons to me, since they play completely different.

And there are no more characters to be declone. No more.

And as of Meng Huo's logic...it makes as much sense as many other weapons. Or at least as much as Huang Gai's !

Fans are complaining because they want all previous games weapon to be back, for nostalgia purpose. That's it.
You wanted twin fans, some wanted the pillar. As weird as it seems to you.

As for the game not being as complete as DW5...I can't see why.
There are more stages, more characters, more weapons, more moves, more everything actually.
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Liufing
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guys please help ps3
it is true that you can play dynasty warriors 8 with xl toghter
(like complete edition) byt need DW8disc and DWXL8 disc
like 3.4.5 serise is that right???plz help me
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I think really I like the idea that Koei are throwing some old things out and some new ideas our way. Also give credit to them for not actually being lazy when they could just go back to cloning characters. I think there doing a great job to handle a huge roster and its weapons. So give them some slack.

But yeah, anyways, I think Koei have shown us some cool ideas, like the orbital crossbow etc. Personally after the flame sword I don't want hardly any more sword variants. Only thing left really is dual broadswords and a SW character has that already.

I would like to see some axe, bow and shield variants at some point. I feel as though we could have some nice variants of a shield. As for axes maybe we could have like an executioners axe for say an others characters like Li Jue who was the executioner of many people in Dong Zhuo's army.

I think these ideas can still be done ->

Dual Broadswords like these http://www.wowhead.com/item=13052#screenshots:id=171769

A heavy royal mace maybe for Yuan Shu in the future, (swap out the blue etc for gold etc) http://www.wowhead.com/item=45147/guiding-star#.

A cross bow that maybe one end is like a crowbar handle, ideal for a brawler perhaps like Cao Zhang

Okay I have made ideas instead of actual DLC but I think DLC helps to see what is good and what Koei may think about their future designs. Koei weapons choices seem very variant when really they could clone the characters again. So lets just welcome DLC, since they are optional and hint us what may come.

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awesome the Stone Pillar is back and it's smaller too, here's hoping for a Wu Tugu addition down the line.


I hope with the addition of the Stone Pillar we'll get the Wrecking Ball, that would be the best thing ever
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:59 pm
guys please help ps3
it is true that you can play dynasty warriors 8 with xl toghter
(like complete edition) byt need DW8disc and DWXL8 disc
like 3.4.5 serise is that right???plz help me
That's right.
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garnix
Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:53 am
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Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:34 am
garnix
Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:56 am
GambitCajun
Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:19 am
Stone Piller! YAES! Now give it to Dailai Dongzhou and we golden. Might have a stance change gimmick to, good. :ph43r:
I absolutely do not want this kind of stuff.
I mean, we will have like 10/12 DLC weapons at the end.
When DW9 will come out, we will probably have around 10 new characters.
So what ? Do you want to have 10 new unique appearance, but no new weapon at all, and just have them using DLC weapons ?

Having DLC weapons becoming secondary EX attack would make way more sense in my opinion. + it could improve gameplay since weapon switch would be even more usefull.
Live a little dude, who cares, it's an old weapon coming back, let your nostalgia run free for once and have fun it's what Warriors is about!

And you know how you make weapon switch useful? Remove the affinity system and let people switch when and if they want to switch rather than forcing them to switch away from a weapon that they want to use.
I really love the fact that old weapons are coming back.
And I actually love using them.

However, what I do not get, is the fact that people want new characters to get DLC weapons are their main.
I completely disagree with this. Since it means there would be less new stuff to enjoy in the next instalment. (even if I know Han Dang case of changing the moveset a little bit)

For me, weapon switch won't be really appreciate before characters got EX1 and EX2 weapons, since I always play with EX weapons (and DLC).
There are of course some exceptions, such has Pang De, whom I always play with Mace + Twin Axes.
And this is just another example of why I think 2 EX weapons would be cool, instead of wasting new characters with already existing weapons.
Depends as there is a gauntlet of risk that comes with DLC weapons and fan desire. Bring back Twin Fans for fan demand and all of a sudden they demand it becomes an existing characters EX weapon instead of current one, others demanding it being so fun it should not be dropped for new ones because they enjoy the moveset more... much more than say older ones because of the generally more unique mechanics they bring.

There is indeed argument for second Ex weapon links for each character but then how would the "clones" debate get resolved as everyone would inevitably share a second ex weapon somewhere along the line. Best method would be to get rid of "ex" weapons altogether in that case so everyone can access the full movesets but me im more ok with Ex weapons be unique and singular even if that means future new faces getting these "older" dlc movesets personally. I just dont enjoy them the same when you get the moveset and find its fun only to see said character have no connection with it come activating his musuo attack never mind the lack of Ex attacks for any and all DLC weapons.

I was ok with Han Dang and his modified Short Halberd personally. I cant imagine it on anyone else now and this is someone who adored it most of all the DW7 era DLC weapons the most and having it as the permanent fixture on then cloned Sun Jian (and as my main self made character on DW7 Empires.) Really Koei shouldnt keep making these if they are not gonna get used in future or if indeed the opposite and that somehow negating hype for fans but i guess as long as people are buying them then they are gonna keep making them but for me the demand aint the same for them since the cloned issue was resolved all the way back on Vanilla DW8.
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There is indeed argument for second Ex weapon links for each character but then how would the "clones" debate get resolved as everyone would inevitably share a second ex weapon somewhere along the line. Best method would be to get rid of "ex" weapons altogether in that case so everyone can access the full movesets but me im more ok with Ex weapons be unique and singular even if that means future new faces getting these "older" dlc movesets personally. I just dont enjoy them the same when you get the moveset and find its fun only to see said character have no connection with it come activating his musuo attack never mind the lack of Ex attacks for any and all DLC weapons.

I already thought about it many time, and thought about one thing I already explained a few weeks ago :

Have two kind of characters : some with 1 EX weapon, some with 2 EX weapons.

Meng Huo's first EX would be Gloves, with, let's say 3 EX attacks.
Meng Huo's second EX would be Pilar, with, let's say 2 EX attacks.
+ eventually one switch EX attack when you go from Gloves to Pilar or from Pilar to Gloves

Lu Bu might just keep the halbers as his only EX weapon, and have 5 EX attacks on it, plus one EX switch attack when he switches from one halberd to another. (I always thought it would be better if Lu Bu was the only one who could trigger Halberd's buff actually)

Just one idea, but I'm sure there are many other ways to implement it without getting clones again. I mean, with a decent amount of EX attack, it would surely make a difference anyway.
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@garnix: I think in future games, if they want to kept the pillar and NOT ADDING new character that use the pillar, why not combine BOTH the Pillar and the Gloves? If you guys plays DFO/DNF there's a job called Monk, that use pillar/something to that extend as a buffer. They first stab the pillar at one place, and all area around that one place gives a buff to the player, and player can punches through hordes of enemies. I've been thinking the same with this pillar too, if Meng Huo gets to keep the Pillar AND the Gloves.
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I don't think Koei will do that idea. Well after playing DW8 again I want Koei to keep every one with their weapons and give the DLC weapons to new characters. I have an idea I will post it in the DW8E idea topic.
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