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Dynasty Warriors 8 + XL DLC; DLC is Downloadable Content
Topic Started: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:21 am (358,607 Views)
Erminaz
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Couldn't agree more. It's ok for people to have an opinion and to state their opinion (I'll be the FIRST to admit I do all the time, it is what forums are for), but there are way too many people on here who state their opinion like it is fact and it just comes off rude and negative, and tbh I've noticed some people who do it repeatedly all the time.
And I honestly can't see how generics sharing weapons with playable characters is honestly a big deal, as long as each playable character is unique I personally couldn't care less.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:12 am
Couldn't agree more. It's ok for people to have an opinion and to state their opinion (I'll be the FIRST to admit I do all the time, it is what forums are for), but there are way too many people on here who state their opinion like it is fact and it just comes off rude and negative, and tbh I've noticed some people who do it repeatedly all the time.
And I honestly can't see how generics sharing weapons with playable characters is honestly a big deal, as long as each playable character is unique I personally couldn't care less.
I could live with generics sharing movesets before, I can do it again. There's only so many weapons and movesets out there. Sure a tweak here or there would be nice, but considering EVERYONE has their own moveset now, plus...you know...weapon switch (though I'm not a rabid fan of it personally)...I don't see why we have to scrap weapons because the occasional officer has it. I've always wanted the officers to have more variety when it came to weaponry, thinking it would make things a little more difficult on the player, and I got my wish (though difficulty is yet to be determined.)
Edited by Lil'Richard, Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:20 am.
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Erminaz
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:16 am
I could live with generics sharing movesets before, I can do it again. There's only so many weapons and movesets out there. Sure a tweak here or there would be nice, but considering EVERYONE has their own moveset now, why take them away?
Exactly, there really are only so many options for what they can do, and getting 70 characters to have a unique moveset that suits their characterisation isn't easy. And considering we don't play as the generics and we seldom see them use the full moveset anyway it really doesn't matter that they use "playable" weapons.
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Zillion
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I don't see anyone stating their opinion as fact. Do we have to add an 'imo' at the end of every post now? I thought this sorta thing was assumed on a **forum**, but whatever...

Next gen hardware architecture is completely different to this gen and so the movesets will have to be rebuilt from the ground up (I assume they're creating a new engine and everything for SW4, DW9 could use that I suppose) anyway. Seems like a weird time to be saying stuff like "they've made enough, any more is just unnecessary work". On generics, perhaps it's not needed but...it'd certainly be nice. Considering generics rarely ever do combos anyway they could pretty easily give generics smaller, retooled versions of existing movesets. Easier than creating an entirely new moveset for them, one that they probably won't use 50% of in the first place
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:33 pm
Generics always shared move sets with the playables of their weapon types in DW2 up to now, why bother giving unique playable characters new weapons when they are one of a kind. Most generics dont even go through the full standard s-string of attacks, they usually only use C1-C3 and only the first 4 attacks in the S-string.

And by the way, generics in DW8 retain the musou attacks they got on DW7E. And even if you consider the move sets 'bland', that doesnt mean your opinon is fact. there are alot of people, my self included, who enjoy the standard sword move set and its simplicity.

And the Iron Fan fits xiaoqiao just fine, its tiny fast and uber adorable. I will agree its wierd seeing generic strategists use it, but its not something all that important.

Another thing is thatthey put alot of effort into making sure that these characters all have a dicent EX, and 4 musou attacks with their weapon. changing the weapons of Quan, Ping, Xiaoqiao, Yuanji, Zhu and Chao would be pointless. why put in more work when its not needed?

"Thinks Smart, not hard." as the saying goes, and reducing all their hard work they put into those characters just to make them different from the generics would be uneeded extra work. Really they are fine the way they are, there is no point in changing them when they are already the sole playable characters that use those move sets. Why should it matter if their weapons are used by Generics?

You people take these small minute problems that can easily be over looked, and practly plaster them on billboard saying "I DON'T LIKE THIS! I DON'T! KOEI NEEDS TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT! PAY ATTENTION TO ME! MY OPINION IS REALLY IMPORTANT! YOU SHOULD LISTEN TOO ME!".

Just because you dont like something doesn't mean that is suddenly the thing Koei Has to fix right away just so You can be happy. Thats the thing about the gaming industry. They will some times make decisions that some fans will never agree with, but if you keep focusing on that one little thing, it'll ruin the series for you. Just learn to deal with it and move on and enjoy other parts of the game.
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This is like the first time I ever agree with everything Ixbread has to say! Musou has too many spoiled brats throwing tantrums over minute things then screaming about their opinions.
Phoenician_Prodigy
Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:12 am
Couldn't agree more. It's ok for people to have an opinion and to state their opinion (I'll be the FIRST to admit I do all the time, it is what forums are for), but there are way too many people on here who state their opinion like it is fact and it just comes off rude and negative, and tbh I've noticed some people who do it repeatedly all the time.
And I honestly can't see how generics sharing weapons with playable characters is honestly a big deal, as long as each playable character is unique I personally couldn't care less.
Thanks you guys.

But yes I know everyone is entitled to their own opinons and see things they dont want, or want changed, we all do. Personally I also dislike the fact Xiaoqiao doesn't have the twin fans anymore, but the changes they made to the iron fan in DW8 makes it work for her now.
  • Would I rather she have twin-fans? Yes.
  • Am I willing to ask Koei to throw away all their hard work they put into the iorn-fan move set to make it fit her better in DW8? No!
There are A LOT of things I find my self disliking when it comes to certain aspects of the series. But if I focused so much on the bad things, and constantly nagged for things to be changed/removed/added, I wouldn't be able to enjoy the series. Instead I learn to accept what I can not change.

As the saying goes "Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."
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Erminaz
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:29 am
I don't see anyone stating their opinion as fact. Do we have to add an 'imo' at the end of every post now? I thought this sorta thing was assumed on a **forum**, but whatever...
I'm not going to be bitchy and name anyone but there are people on this forum who comment on a lot of stuff, who do it repeatedly nearly every time they post. It's not about "what" people write, their opinion can be almost anything and be acceptable. It is HOW they write it, so they don't come across like they are completely running down other people's views and acting like they are experts on what makes a good game.
We don't always have to write "IMO" but sometimes using "I personally don't like..." instead of "this is bad and needs to change" helps to show that it is just our opinion and that we are aware that other people might feel differently.
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Funny how some people assume that Creating a new weapon for someone = discarding the that someone's old weapon. They can easily leave some weapons ownerless just to be used by generics and for Weapon Switch. They did that before, when there wasn't even a Weapon Switch.

I see no problem with changing the moveset of someone who share it with a generic. Though I also see no problem on leaving the movesets alone since every playable character has their own weapon.

Edited by Flik, Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:54 am.
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Ixbran
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I wouldnt mind if it was given to someone else either, but some of the people who are wanting weapon changes for those who share them with generics have stated they want them to be generic exclusive. that is where my argument is coming from.

Why ask Koei to throw away all that hard work, just so you dont have to worry about sharing weapon type with generics?
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Hard work? They've been using the same system for well over 10 years with just a little touched up graphics. Not exactly mind boggling is it?.

Besides generics are basic as hell so by proxy that makes the characters who share weapons with them basic bitches :P

If people want the twin fans then I'm not gonna stop them asking for it. I wouldn't mind them throwing in all the previous weapons as dlc though~
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Ixbran
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I want the twin fans to come back, but i dont think they should go to Xiaoqiao since shes already unique. If they come back as DLC in DW8, i would rather they go to someone new in DW9. Maybe even a male character, like Yata from .hack, or Anji from Guilty Gear.
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I myself believe that giving characters such as Lu Meng, Ma Chao, etc who share their weapons with Generics a new moveset at least would be great. It's not so much that they share weapons with generics, but more so that it just seems a little disappointing to see them with the exact same moves compared to all these other characters with new movesets and weapons.
Although, when you think about it, most characters had the same movesets spanning across most of the older games, so it shouldn't be such a big deal.

So, I guess I'm not sure on this one. It's a bit of a tricky topic. Yes, there is a little bit of disappointment to see them as same-old, same-old; but back in the day, we had them having the same moves spanning across multiple games, not just two or three...
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Ixbran
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Lu Meng doesnt share his weapon type with generics in the DW series, though Generic Mystic generals in WO3 do use the Pike move set yea.
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I honestly don't care about the weapon 'til I know who's gonna get it in Empires or something. That's what's exciting me. Hopefully there will be no CAW special EX weapons like before.

And I also think it would be good to separate generics from PC's completely in terms of movesets. Guan Ping, Ma Chao and Xiaoqiao are the important ones in my opinion. Sun Quan and Xu Zhu I'm welcome for changing. Wang Yuanji, Zhang Jiao and Zuo Ci I feel should keep their weapons though.

EDIT: Still feel mini crossbow should be on CG :ph43r: (especially if they were dual) .
Edited by The Outsider, Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:35 am.
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why does everyone assume the screw crossbow is for a female, what if the animations are fit for a male, and the flame sword is for female?
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Ixbran
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Well if they follow the pattern they did with DW7 Weapon DLC no one will gain these as their EX Weapons until DW9.

The only reason characters got weapon changes in DW7XL and DW7Empires was because they had cloned weapons in DW7. DW8 has no clones what so ever, so there is no one to assign them too in 8XL or 8Empires. And when new characters were announced in 7XL Wang Yi got the Trishula weapons, which were originally planned as DLC, Pang De got a cloned move set, but the weapon he was given matched what he had before, and Guo Jia came with an all new move set.

Chances are if we get new characters in 8XL they will have their own move sets so there still will not be any clones, and if someone is added in 8Empires then they will be like Xu Shu, new weapon.

Meaning all the weapon DLC we are going to get for DW8 will not see an EX User until DW9, and will be CAW Exclusive weapons in DW8Empires just like the Short Pike was.

Again im basing this on what happened with DW7+XL+Empires
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moggle9999
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looks like for the DLC schedule for May it will include 2 new weapons;original costumes for Wu,Shu,Jin/others,Wei's costume theme was already revealed,I'am not very interested for the rest of Wei as so far only Cai Wenji looks like Zatanna and the rest looks okay to me,xiahou dun in MGS gear.... I'am not buying original costumes as I had all the DLCs for 7,what matters to me will be new stages/weapons....
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Ixbran
Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:09 am
Well if they follow the pattern they did with DW7 Weapon DLC no one will gain these as their EX Weapons until DW9.

The only reason characters got weapon changes in DW7XL and DW7Empires was because they had cloned weapons in DW7. DW8 has no clones what so ever, so there is no one to assign them too in 8XL or 8Empires. And when new characters were announced in 7XL Wang Yi got the Trishula weapons, which were originally planned as DLC, Pang De got a cloned move set, but the weapon he was given matched what he had before, and Guo Jia came with an all new move set.

Chances are if we get new characters in 8XL they will have their own move sets so there still will not be any clones, and if someone is added in 8Empires then they will be like Xu Shu, new weapon.

Meaning all the weapon DLC we are going to get for DW8 will not see an EX User until DW9, and will be CAW Exclusive weapons in DW8Empires just like the Short Pike was.

Again im basing this on what happened with DW7+XL+Empires
I agree, these weapons won't be EX in DW8XL for the obvious reasons you listed.

However, remember that in Empires gamess, generics are playable.
This is why I believe people who ask Koei to give Sun Quan and cie. new movesets is fine.
So DLC weapons will just be secondary one in DW8/XL,
and then become Sun Quan, Xu Zhu, Ma Chao etc. EX in DW8E.
Leaving the standard sword/spear etc. to playable generics, and CAW, which could be a could deal.

Anyway, I personnaly do not care, as far as these DLC weapons are fun to use.
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I Just see no point in changing Quan, Chao, Zhu, Xiaoqiao or the others just because they share weapon types with Generics. that just means more EX attacks available for that weapon type in edit mode.

Though in all seriousness, in all past DW games generics have always shared the weapon move sets of playable characters. I dont see why they would change that now.

I mean Yuanji was introduced with the throwing knives as her main weapon in DW7, and kept them in DW8. You honestly want her to get a new weapon, just because the knives are now used by generics? I just see no point in that at all, for her or any other character who's weapon is used by generics.
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Some might want to see it and some might not, which we may never know.
I don't mind if that happens to change...unless they are actually planning to do that, or I'll take what Garnix said and wait until new general comes out in next one.

FYI, I switch my old name Sun Bai Hu to this new name...
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I also think all the characters are fine the way they are.
But my fear, is that if DLC weapons are not done for one specific character in DW8, I might not use it that much.
Anyway, as I said before, weapons assignement is not important to me now that there is more weapon kinds as characters.
As far as there are no clones within the playable roster, it's fine for me.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:00 am
looks like for the DLC schedule for May it will include 2 new weapons;original costumes for Wu,Shu,Jin/others,Wei's costume theme was already revealed,I'am not very interested for the rest of Wei as so far only Cai Wenji looks like Zatanna and the rest looks okay to me,xiahou dun in MGS gear.... I'am not buying original costumes as I had all the DLCs for 7,what matters to me will be new stages/weapons....
You can buy costumes separate this time around. Cai Wenji does really seem to be the only costume people are interested in.
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Ixbran
Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:49 am
I Just see no point in changing Quan, Chao, Zhu, Xiaoqiao or the others just because they share weapon types with Generics. that just means more EX attacks available for that weapon type in edit mode.

Though in all seriousness, in all past DW games generics have always shared the weapon move sets of playable characters. I dont see why they would change that now.

I mean Yuanji was introduced with the throwing knives as her main weapon in DW7, and kept them in DW8. You honestly want her to get a new weapon, just because the knives are now used by generics? I just see no point in that at all, for her or any other character who's weapon is used by generics.
I agree with you completely... besides in all honesty given some of the negativity people had towards the game or a least some its mechanics as well as questionable amount spend on QA is "decloning" generics really our biggest priority now?

Once more i feel there is far too much emphasis on cosmetics with the fanbase of DW and certainly at least around KW. I can accept this from DLC because well we can pick and choose extra content at our own leisure but messing around with this kind of thing will only annoy more than please given its a minority who demand characters who dont share with generics... forgetting the amount of fans who hated the fact there was only really spear/sword users and the likes for so long. I actually APPROVE of more unique weapon skins being used by generic officers... actually creates more variety to what is a mass cull everything in sight experience in the games these days.
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Cool new weapons, I wonder if the Blaze Blade is that weapon described in the leak. You know the one that was said to be Sun Quan's new weapon and looked like Kai's. If it really is something like that it'll probably have an embedded element property that causes it to shoot flames or something. Like it has flints between each section that rub together to create flames.

Of course this is all just part of my crazy imagination.

Edit: Oh one more thing, I really hope it is meant for Sun Quan because that Dao has to go, not deleted, just away from Quan. That Dao fits Sima Zhao more than any of the characters it was assigned to. Hopefully this weapon is fitting for him so he can possibly get a new weapon in the future.
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the issue is if the Blaze Blade goes to Quan then the Dao goes to waste since Sima Zhao has the Striking Broadsword now
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New Crossbow? I hope it is for Xu Sheng)))
oh well, I hope it will be twin small crossbows like he had in those MMO game :unsure:
btw Flamberg? :crazy: maybe Zhu Ran)))
Edited by WarHawk, Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:29 am.
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