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Dynasty Warriors 8 + XL DLC; DLC is Downloadable Content
Topic Started: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:21 am (358,605 Views)
Zhen Da
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:08 pm
well if Koei were planning on giving the XL characters the DLC weapons Koei would not release the weapons as DLC just look at Wang Yi the Trishulas were planned as DLC but Koei pulled them out and assigned them to Wang Yi, why would Koei release the weapons as DLC only to assign them in XL it wouldn't make much sense
Money. It may not be definite since like you said, in DW7, they didn't reassign the DLC weapons until after XL, but at the same time, I wouldn't put it past them. And XL was announced shortly after the trishulus were supposed to be released if I remember correctly. It was easier for them to just recall them as DLC weapons and give them to a new character in XL. I'm not saying this prediction we have here is correct, but DW8 is a different beast than DW7. In DW7 there were still a ton of clones and they could get away with releasing DLC and new weapons in XL. Now everyone is decloned and all of the DLC weapons from DW7 have been assigned to characters.
true yeah, but what if the DLC weapons are just a foretelling of DW9's new characters? i mean the Blaze Blade could possibly be Wang Ping's weapon or the Screw Crossbow might end up as Ma Yunlu's weapon or even Liao Hua's weapon
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:08 pm
well if Koei were planning on giving the XL characters the DLC weapons Koei would not release the weapons as DLC just look at Wang Yi the Trishulas were planned as DLC but Koei pulled them out and assigned them to Wang Yi, why would Koei release the weapons as DLC only to assign them in XL it wouldn't make much sense
Money. It may not be definite since like you said, in DW7, they didn't reassign the DLC weapons until after XL, but at the same time, I wouldn't put it past them. And XL was announced shortly after the trishulus were supposed to be released if I remember correctly. It was easier for them to just recall them as DLC weapons and give them to a new character in XL. I'm not saying this prediction we have here is correct, but DW8 is a different beast than DW7. In DW7 there were still a ton of clones and they could get away with releasing DLC and new weapons in XL. Now everyone is decloned and all of the DLC weapons from DW7 have been assigned to characters.
true yeah, but what if the DLC weapons are just a foretelling of DW9's new characters? i mean the Blaze Blade could possibly be Wang Ping's weapon or the Screw Crossbow might end up as Ma Yunlu's weapon or even Liao Hua's weapon
And what if the DLC weapons are just previews of SW4 new characters ?
Everything is possible at the moment.
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If that happens, then I'm moving to Samurai Warrior series. I'm kidding about it.
Either way, one of the theory might work while the rest is worth a try.
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Anyone else just think they're weapons for the sake of weapons? Going by the names there's a strong chance that its Yueying and Sun Jian's DW6 weapons, purely returning because they were fun to use. Maybe a chance at them being new weapons for the characters who share movesets with generics, but with nothing more than a name there's no reason to assume that.

Definetly don't think they'll be for new characters, kills a part of the hype for them if they get beaten to game by there weapons. Han Dang being a bit of an exception, as he was partly designed to give the ownerless short pike a proper user.
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Han Dang was one of the characters that got old dlc, but seeing that that one doesn't have unique weapon for Empires, I let that go.

But yes, its best not to do that... unless they change some... then I'm guess I'm good.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:51 pm
Lol the new weapons are obviously for the new characters in XL, for Cheng Pu and Yu Jin.
If that is happening..
Blaze blade will be for Cheng Pu, and Screw crossbow will be for yu jin.

Unless they want to take screw as something similar to snake..(so its for CHeng Pu).
But that means they would only have 2 weapons for DLC..?
This is an interesting prediction. I don't know how long after the English release of DW8 the Japanese version of DW8: XL will be announced, but I may need to wait and see what the new characters get as weapons. If this weapon DLC will end up being packaged with XL, I will just wait for that game. That said, if they have already decided on XL characters, I am not convinced Cheng Pu will be in the game. The leaker said there would be two highly requested characters and Cheng Pu was never highly requested (in the east at least) until after Han Dang was announced. It may be something more along the lines of Yu Jin gets the sword and Chen Gong, Lu Lingqi or Gao Shun get the crossbow.
It is possible "highly requested" may have just been referring to the famitsu poll, in which the character or characters that get the most votes will be added, i.e. highly requested.
That's what I assumed they meant. So there's probably going to be characters made for the #1 and #2 spot. So a themed version of XL (i.e. last XL) may not be in the making. Not sure how I feel about that.
That said, I'm not sure they'd release the weapons as DLC and then bring them in immediately after in XL. I mean, yeah, DLC is supposed to kick fans in the throat, but I can't be certain if KOEI would be THAT dickish.
Edited by Lil'Richard, Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:06 pm.
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I don't think so, Lil'Richard. That didn't happen in Dynasty Warrior 7 Xtreme Legend, so its going to be less chance. If it was to transfer to Xtreme Legend like last time, then it's good.

As for putting it and decloning for Empires... then might be different story since they did that for sake of decloning.
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if anyone were to be decloend in Empires, it'd mean that someone becomes a clone in XL, like possibly any of the new charcaters that might enter the game as a clone and then get a new weapon later (like Pang De).

I don't think these weapons are going to be given to the XL characters, unless one or all of them do end up being clones. But I do think they will eventually be assigned to characters in the future.

EX moves are pretty essential to the current weapons/combat system. A weapon would need an EX wielder to have an EX weapon, no? Not counting Empires...in which you could make anyone EX wield any weapon you wanted...so naturally, they had to make it up. But, of the 6 weapons added as DLC, only one didn't get an owner (unless you count Hua Xiong or Nemea, who also had an EX move)...but then it ended up getting an owner anyway come DW8...along with yet another new EX move :XD

So I'd say the chances of "weapons for the sake of weapons" is pretty slim. But they probably won't be assigned till DW9, since there is no one else to give it to till then (Im pretty sure the XL characters will come with their own weapons, otherwise DLC is kinda a moot point...and KOEI hasn't been that shady with their DLC in the past).
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:38 pm
Anyone else just think they're weapons for the sake of weapons? Going by the names there's a strong chance that its Yueying and Sun Jian's DW6 weapons, purely returning because they were fun to use. Maybe a chance at them being new weapons for the characters who share movesets with generics, but with nothing more than a name there's no reason to assume that.

Definetly don't think they'll be for new characters, kills a part of the hype for them if they get beaten to game by there weapons. Han Dang being a bit of an exception, as he was partly designed to give the ownerless short pike a proper user.
If that's the case, then the many complaints about clones should have been ignored by KOEI.
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Anyone else just think they're weapons for the sake of weapons? Going by the names there's a strong chance that its Yueying and Sun Jian's DW6 weapons, purely returning because they were fun to use. Maybe a chance at them being new weapons for the characters who share movesets with generics, but with nothing more than a name there's no reason to assume that.

Definetly don't think they'll be for new characters, kills a part of the hype for them if they get beaten to game by there weapons. Han Dang being a bit of an exception, as he was partly designed to give the ownerless short pike a proper user.
If that's the case, then the many complaints about clones should have been ignored by KOEI.
I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make. Of course decloning should always have been the priority. No ones disputing that. Every character having a moveset that was distinctly theirs is what every fan wanted. But know that they've done that, why not just add more weapons to use as players see fit, without tying that up as forever being such and such's weapon.

@Mr. kamikaze: Not really. EX attacks are fixed to characters rather than weapons. The purpose of them is to make each character get some unique attack from equipping them with their weapon. It doesn't determine the usefulness of a weapon.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:38 pm
Anyone else just think they're weapons for the sake of weapons? Going by the names there's a strong chance that its Yueying and Sun Jian's DW6 weapons, purely returning because they were fun to use. Maybe a chance at them being new weapons for the characters who share movesets with generics, but with nothing more than a name there's no reason to assume that.

Definetly don't think they'll be for new characters, kills a part of the hype for them if they get beaten to game by there weapons. Han Dang being a bit of an exception, as he was partly designed to give the ownerless short pike a proper user.
If that's the case, then the many complaints about clones should have been ignored by KOEI.
I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make. Of course decloning should always have been the priority. No ones disputing that. Every character having a moveset that was distinctly theirs is what every fan wanted. But know that they've done that, why not just add more weapons to use as players see fit, without tying that up as forever being such and such's weapon.

@Mr. kamikaze: Not really. EX attacks are fixed to characters rather than weapons. The purpose of them is to make each character get some unique attack from equipping them with their weapon. It doesn't determine the usefulness of a weapon.
My point....

Even though KOEI is adding weapons, I'll say that I'm strongly against it if KOEI doesn't intend on making them for new characters. You're point was that weapons can be in without an owner. If that's the case then people shouldn't have complained at all about some character sharing the same weapons. "Weapons for the sake of weapons" just contradicts that whole "every character should have their own weapon" goal altogether that KOEI worked so hard on achieving.

But I already know that these weapons will be for future new characters anyways. Making a weapon and moveset is much easier than making a character and integrating them into the game with a role, voice, and personality, especially after they finished the main story in this game.
Edited by Ryoreiki, Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:34 pm.
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@Mr. kamikaze: Not really. EX attacks are fixed to characters rather than weapons. The purpose of them is to make each character get some unique attack from equipping them with their weapon. It doesn't determine the usefulness of a weapon.
That is sort of my point. EX attacks make the weapons more unique...agree or disagree, that is the intention behind them. And I agree, they are tied to the character, not to the weapon. Which is why I think they will eventually be given to a new character because without a character, those weapons don't get EX weapons...and that'd just be wrong.

It's a...weak argument, I admit.

All that to say, I just think they'll be assigned to someone no sooner than DW8E, no later than DW9. I don't think anyone should expect them to be assigned as EX weapons to anyone in DW8XL, because all characters right now are decloned, and it is very likely any new characters added will get their own weapon.
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Since the weapon switch system was announced I always thought it would work best when number of weapons > number of characters. There's no need to automatically make the two equal. One of the best things about a new character being announced is being excited to see how their moveset plays, with that having already been released, it takes away a large part of the draw of getting new characters.

Also given that a large number of people want characters that's weapons are use by generics to become "fully" unique, what would happen to their old weapons? Removed from being selectable as they for have a proper owner? Only appearing in empires?

It just strikes me odd that people don't want more weapons. Wouldn't you rather we get say 4 or 5 DLC weapons PLUS another one for every new character introduced in expansions. Or have those DLC assigned to the new characters, just because it fits better.
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:33 pm
My point....

Even though KOEI is adding weapons, I'll say that I'm strongly against it if KOEI doesn't intend on making them for new characters. You're point was that weapons can be in without an owner. If that's the case then people shouldn't have complained at all about some character sharing the same weapons. "Weapons for the sake of weapons" just contradicts that whole "every character should have their own weapon" goal altogether that KOEI worked so hard on achieving.

But I already know that these weapons will be for future new characters anyways. Making a weapon and moveset is much easier than making a character and integrating them into the game with a role, voice, and personality, especially after they finished the main story in this game.
I get that people don't want Koei to be "too wasteful" but there is such a thing as being too thrifty as well...not that you or anyone is doing that yet but we're getting awfully close to that line of thought. This'll most likely be the last DW game this gen, next gen consoles are very different architecturally - why not have Koei experiment with weapon DLC now while they still can? I don't think they'll be able to simply translate things over like they did from DW7 to DW8.

"junk weapon" DLC might, if nothing else, add some replay value for a lot of people.
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So I think by May we'll know if we see any more incoming DLC and hopfully the returning Outfits DLC.
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Flame blade/flamberge : maybe another weapon for Zhuge Dan ... because Zhugedan weapon is horrible :(
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Flame blade/flamberge : maybe another weapon for Zhuge Dan ... because Zhugedan weapon is horrible :(
You have a right to your own opinion and all but...whaaat...the series had a serious elbow drop deficiency before DW8, Zhuge Dan is doing God's work.
Edited by Zillion, Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:05 pm.
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How is it horrible? What I see him fight it looks ok but they should of kept their fans but its unique to some people.
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Flame blade/flamberge : maybe another weapon for Zhuge Dan ... because Zhugedan weapon is horrible :(
You have a right to your own opinion and all but...whaaat...the series had a serious elbow drop deficiency before DW8, Zhuge Dan is doing God's work.
Agree. Zhuge Dan's new weapon is good enough for me since he's actually fits him since he's general and tactics. He's has some anger "issue" so it does fit him.
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I would like to see more dynamic/aerial moveset.
Something like dragon sword moveset or death scythe fron ninja gaiden serie.
Or moveset from DW multiraid 2 : double dao, orb and so on.
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I would like to see more dynamic/aerial moveset.
Something like dragon sword moveset or death scythe fron ninja gaiden serie.
Or moveset from DW multiraid 2 : double dao, orb and so on.
They seem to be trying to experiment with the aerial options a little more with Jiang Wei's new moveset. You can spend some time going from ground-to-air-to-ground in the combos for Zhang He and Xu Shu's movesets too.

edit: and there's Guan Xing's human aeroplane moveset too, of course
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Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:50 pm
Since the weapon switch system was announced I always thought it would work best when number of weapons > number of characters. There's no need to automatically make the two equal. One of the best things about a new character being announced is being excited to see how their moveset plays, with that having already been released, it takes away a large part of the draw of getting new characters.

Also given that a large number of people want characters that's weapons are use by generics to become "fully" unique, what would happen to their old weapons? Removed from being selectable as they for have a proper owner? Only appearing in empires?

It just strikes me odd that people don't want more weapons. Wouldn't you rather we get say 4 or 5 DLC weapons PLUS another one for every new character introduced in expansions. Or have those DLC assigned to the new characters, just because it fits better.
I mean, I would like the character to fit the weapon. I don't think they should just hand weapons to new characters just because, I would like it to fit and look good. That was my main gripe with Han Dang getting the short-ji, honestly, I just felt like he got a little jipped when he was given a weapon that had already had two owners before him and it felt wrong...

But they altered the moveset to fit him, and it worked out fine. Now he is one of the characters I am most excited to play as.

I guess this is more of a personal issue for me. Cause my thinking is, that with a bunch of extra weapons without owners, I'd never touch those weapons. I am one of those people who like to stick to a character's EX weapons. Therefore, if there were weapons without EX users...i'd never use them, and that'd be unfortunate.

So I guess its more of a personal affliction than anything. I suppose my personal issue with it shouldn't affect how it ultimately turns out.

I mean...it damn well should....but I understand... :hehe:

-- For the record, I do not want any weapon in the game removed, and that includes those "generic" weapons. So I disagree with all of those people. Especially in the case of Yuanji, Guan Ping, and Xu Zhu. I could live with Quan and Ma Chao getting new weapons, but even that im not all that bothered by.
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I wanna see weapons like these on some new characters or as some DLC's, they look awsome.Posted Image

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I would like to see more dynamic/aerial moveset.
Something like dragon sword moveset or death scythe fron ninja gaiden serie.
Or moveset from DW multiraid 2 : double dao, orb and so on.
They seem to be trying to experiment with the aerial options a little more with Jiang Wei's new moveset. You can spend some time going from ground-to-air-to-ground in the combos for Zhang He and Xu Shu's movesets too.
Yes, I don't lioke ZHang he for the character but I have to admit his moveset is great and suit 100% for him.

Xu Shu moveset was better in DW7E and was nerfed in DW8 :(

ground to air gameplays change from normal moveset like Guan yu has (100% ground)

The most original is Guan Xing ^^
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My point....

Even though KOEI is adding weapons, I'll say that I'm strongly against it if KOEI doesn't intend on making them for new characters. You're point was that weapons can be in without an owner. If that's the case then people shouldn't have complained at all about some character sharing the same weapons. "Weapons for the sake of weapons" just contradicts that whole "every character should have their own weapon" goal altogether that KOEI worked so hard on achieving.

But I already know that these weapons will be for future new characters anyways. Making a weapon and moveset is much easier than making a character and integrating them into the game with a role, voice, and personality, especially after they finished the main story in this game.
I get that people don't want Koei to be "too wasteful" but there is such a thing as being too thrifty as well...not that you or anyone is doing that yet but we're getting awfully close to that line of thought. This'll most likely be the last DW game this gen, next gen consoles are very different architecturally - why not have Koei experiment with weapon DLC now while they still can? I don't think they'll be able to simply translate things over like they did from DW7 to DW8.

"junk weapon" DLC might, if nothing else, add some replay value for a lot of people.
So what if KOEI decides to make some heavy changes in DW9, in that same vain as DW6. Then what?

Besides, updated graphics, but little to no changes, can only do so much for a series, especially this one where the main focus is on the characters and the story mode (which is also the same but small changes), or else people wouldn't even be making a fuss over who should or shouldn't be a unique character in the first place.

There's no common ground if 1. People want their faves to be unique, and 2. People want them decloned, and 3. The majority of the West hates this series for a reason, because it isn't Call of Duty, or Madden and KOEI is having a hard time resolving that. At least Jin being included helped DW7.
Edited by Ryoreiki, Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:29 pm.
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