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Dynasty Warriors 8 + XL DLC; DLC is Downloadable Content
Topic Started: Fri Dec 21, 2012 10:21 am (358,595 Views)
Magna Lion
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Wow, the Blaze Blade look very beautiful. I expected it to look like Sun Quan's DW6's sword, but I'm okay with it's current design.

I personally don't see it fitting Chen Gong though. I'm going to say it'll be reassigned to a new character in DW9.
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:01 am
Why would they declone characters who are already decloned... its clearly a case of these weapons being retained for newer additions in XL and beyond. The fact the picture depicts Sun Quan using it means diddly squat - Huang Gai was pictured using the bombs remember and look how that turned out.
There is a huge difference between bombs and blaze blade. Bombs were a brand new weapon to the series, however the blade is definitely Sun Quan's DW5 sword. That's why giving the blade to Sun Quan and the Dao to a new character makes more sense for me. This, and the fact that Sun Quan ex and musou involves fire actually.
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:05 am
Skode
Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:01 am
Why would they declone characters who are already decloned... its clearly a case of these weapons being retained for newer additions in XL and beyond. The fact the picture depicts Sun Quan using it means diddly squat - Huang Gai was pictured using the bombs remember and look how that turned out.
There is a huge difference between bombs and blaze blade. Bombs were a brand new weapon to the series, however the blade is definitely Sun Quan's DW5 sword. That's why giving the blade to Sun Quan and the Dao to a new character makes more sense for me. This, and the fact that Sun Quan ex and musou involves fire actually.
The thing is though people have accepted the most overused and overshared weapon finally being decloned and remaining on Quan, will anyone be hyped if say Chen Gong or Cheng Pu was announced for XL as the what is it now sixth or seventh official user of the Dao.

I just dont see the need for it personally... sure Quan uses fire in his attacks but then Sima Yi uses Wire Claws in his musuo attacks too - only to see him declone with a Horsehair Whip.
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Nice to see Quan's old style sword back; I'd much rather have that on him. Not that I don't like the Dao; I'd just prefer the Blaze Sword on him because he was one of faves in DW5 and the sword is similar.

If they did change it; it wouldn't be the first time they've changed a unique weapon for another. Cao Ren and the Buckler Blade; many thought because he was unique with the flail that he wouldn't get his old weapon back; and he still got it.

The thing with the weapon dlc pictures was that the first 2 were shown with people who could use them. Huang Gai the bombs (and I think Gan Ning with the short Halberd) but from that point on they were shown with their future users. So it could go either way really.

But they won't remove the Dao just because they might change Quan's weapon
Edited by Li_An_Di, Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:31 am.
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The Short Ji was shown off with Dian Wei in screenshots while the weapon acquisition stage used Gan Ning. The bombs on the other hand used Huang Gai for both.

But people ought to keep in mind debate over this weapon's assignment is pointless right now because they're not going to suddenly change EX weapons in the game at this point in time. 7XL came out a few months after the original game and maintained the initial presets and it wasn't until Empires at around a year and a half later that we got the DLC weapon reassignments. The DLC is too soon for all of you to jump the gun on who gets what because it's not going into effect until the next title and that's assuming they don't feel like ripping people off on DLC weapons.

Plus it's another sword. Unless it's a completely radical change like Xiahou Ba's siege lance, Sun Quan getting a new weapon that doesn't change much. His Musous are still likely going to be the same as will his EX. It'll be little different from just playing with a dao and the new sword equipped.
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I think KOEI will now have more weapons DLC to change the clones with generic the way I see it is those weapons are normal and not unique in its appearance or abilities so they will make the Dao, Spear ,, etc be general weapons without owners. Think about it DW8 is the last game in PS3 so they found a chance to use DLC weapons to gain money and if they keep the weapons (and hopefully add some more moveset) they can use in DW9.
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As much as I hate the whole officers sharing with generics, I'm hoping Yuanji doesn't lost those knives.

I just can't imagine her with anything else. If she got maybe a different moveset, I don't know, I don't feel comfortable with anything else.
God why KOEI did you have to make the No.1 characters weapon from DW7 a generic weapon! what logic is that? so people enjoy killing generics more, I don't even notice the knives because they can't hit me, so so pointless AHHH!
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Lol Ixbran, so what if Sun Quan gets a new weapon? Seriously what the hell is your problem with new weapons being assigned to characters?

Sun Quan is a ruler, he deserves a new moveset, yes the dao is good but it isnt a fair treatment for Quan, while his daddy and Cao Cao got new ones.

I seriously hope Quan gets this new sword so I can say 'IN YOUR FACE!'
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Bonshaquitalafondria
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:01 pm
Lol Ixbran, so what if Sun Quan gets a new weapon? Seriously what the hell is your problem with new weapons being assigned to characters?

Sun Quan is a ruler, he deserves a new moveset, yes the dao is good but it isnt a fair treatment for Quan, while his daddy and Cao Cao got new ones.

I seriously hope Quan gets this new sword so I can say 'IN YOUR FACE!'
Ron while I agree with the top of your comment, laughing in ones face is childish! Lol!
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:39 am
or quan can just keep the dao since hes already unique, and the flame sword can go to someone else in DW9.

cus, ya know, no reason to change the weapon of someone whos move set isnt shared by other playable characters.
Yes lets give a ruler the basic as hell dao. This was his old weapon its about time he got something good. this makes the dao a shared weapon. lbh most of the vanilla 7 movesets are really bland compared to recent ones
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They are very bland, especially the nunchucks and the rapier, using them now just feels horrible compared to the new movesets because they were never anything special to begin with. Guan Suo is the absolute worse, Ling tong is better in general anyway and now he has the master of all nunchucks. Guan Suo screams martial arts, that's what he needs, not the crap he has now.
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:04 pm
lbh most of the vanilla 7 movesets are really bland compared to recent ones
Finally someone else agrees.

Why people are harking only on the dao's blandness confuses me, when basically all 36 weapon types are basic as hell.

Still though, I'd rather Koei give generics the ability to use all 77 weapon types than make them declone certain characters solely because they share a weapon type with a random we can't use.
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I hope Sun Quan is given a new weapon tbh, He's always been one of the most bland characters and it just feels wrong with how important he is.
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Blaze Blade looks awesome cant wait for Sun Quan to be decloned later on in the 8 Era, Im hoping they dont wait until Empires, rather XL...
Am I right in saying its not a whip like Kai's just sectioned in the way of design?

How come there arent any pictures of the new bow thing?

Wang Yi's costumes makes here look like the baddest b*tch around!
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Bonshaquitalafondria
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The Dao is extremely useful, but it is so very very bland, it's so basic, it's perfect for the generics. It was so overused in 7 that using Sun Quan now is a task, which I don't want to happen because apart from his general moveset, his ex and musous are absolutely fantastic and probably some of the best looking in the game.
He needs a fabulous new sword, to go with those fabulous new special effects and that fabulous new look!
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You will find many ingame screenshots here:
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2289250261
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Edited by NineSeven, Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:18 pm.
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Agreed, the dao is an old moveset now, it seems second hand to Quan since about 5 people shared it in 7, he needs this new sword just as Strikerdes said. The generics can have the Dao, but that doesnt mean we still couldnt use it as a secondary weapon, so it would vanish completely.
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:15 pm
You will find many ingame screenshots here:
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2289250261
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Wow they actually look a lot better here, I wasn't sure before
Zhang he - LOL
Cai Wenji and Wang Yi - :drool:
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:07 pm
Guan Suo is the absolute worse, Ling tong is better in general anyway and now he has the master of all nunchucks. Guan Suo screams martial arts, that's what he needs, not the crap he has now.
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I think you also agree with me that Guan suo is better unarmed...or is that what you're thinking?
And there is another evidence though.. Why would Suo's new musou didnt use his nunchaku at ALL, just like his old musou, if KOEI really wants to keep Suo with his nunchaku at least make them shows it, but koei didnt do that...yet they can do it to other character like Xu ZHu and Sanniang(whose old musou didnt use their respective weapon, yet their new musou shown to use it,rmember im not talking about awakening musou)
Enough my blabbering...

Besides if Quan does get the blaze sword, we dont really mind about his ex,musou and awakening musou attack, since it just a cosmetic change now(Just change the dao into blaze sword skin). The problem will be the screw crossbow since some of you guys want it on yuanji...(unless voila its for Lian Shi)
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Haha I have always agreed with you dear!
Suo uses his legs in all his musous and his ex, the fact they haven't already given him a martial arts moveset is just insulting!
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:16 pm
Agreed, the dao is an old moveset now, it seems second hand to Quan since about 5 people shared it in 7, he needs this new sword just as Strikerdes said. The generics can have the Dao, but that doesnt mean we still couldnt use it as a secondary weapon, so it would vanish completely.
I said the same thing some time ago, but for some reason others are opposed to this just because they feel that the Dao would be gone for good if Quan gets a new weapon. I've already yammered about this enough, so I won't say much more, but guys why be against a character getting a new weapon if it's better? This probably only applies to characters who still have one of the original 36 weapons and even then some of them don't need changing, like Yuanji and Ma Dai, but others do like Guan Ping, Sun Quan, and maybe Guan Suo( those nunchuks seem very ineffective in this game).

Edit: I would Lian Shi could also use a change but the crossbow could just use some buffs and charge changes.
Edited by QZW, Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:43 pm.
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It won't be assigned to Quan until most likely Empires if that, so why have this argument over something a long time away?

I do want him to get this sword. Why? Simple. Because it fits better and the fire buffs undoubtedly scream "Quan." The Dao in its standard glory can go to some other character in the future or remain as a secondary weapon.
Yeah Huang Gai was shown with bombs and got a boat, but Huang also never had bombs in his weapon arsenal in past games, same with Dian Wei and the short ji. Unlike Quan with this clear reference to DW5 sword.
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:50 pm
but Huang also never had bombs in his weapon arsenal in past games
You clearly forgot about DW3-5 then lol.
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Baffling how everyone (well the same clique anyway haha) are on about "decloning" Sun Quan because he is boring for having the Dao. I like the Dao moveset myself and dont mind him having it - i just dont understand the mass need for him to lose it yet no is moaning how Lui Bei is stuck with the same old tired moveset... is he also not "important".

Heck hes practically the main character of the novels for most of it, i assume this is simply because he doesnt have generics running about with twin swords... the whole generics shouldnt have the playable character weapons is the lamest argument ive seen around here since the free mode "clones" debate. It truly is such a non issue i cant believe were even still discussing it - as i said already the new weapons should go on the new characters. NO ONE ill wager would be amused at the prospect of buying XL just to play a new character with a moveset theyve already used many times over in past games already.

Still once upon a time many of the faces you see around here were ranting about how there was too many swords... now they cant wait for old characters to get new swords - KW can be a fickle place at the best of times but damn do people have short memories haha.
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Strikerdes
Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:35 pm
Haha I have always agreed with you dear!
Suo uses his legs in all his musous and his ex, the fact they haven't already given him a martial arts moveset is just insulting!
That's the exact feelings i always have.
When they released the first gameplay video of him in DW8, and show his new musou. It was like a slap to my face, when he just stomps the ground. I could accept it if he SHOWS his nunchaku, but no! He didnt do that, his awakening(Not true awakening) didnt even use his nunchaku at all like all of the other characters did with their weapon.

It's like KOEI really wants to make him use a martial arts moveset, but since he is the only one left with nunchaku just give him that.But in their mind they always longing for suo to use it..

OKay i'll stop it before, some members here dislike it...

I always wonder what Yue JIn's costume supposed to be though...a football player..? A runner? A rugby player?
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