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The Shin Gundam Musou Tiering Project
Topic Started: Fri Dec 27, 2013 7:07 am (16,058 Views)
LordKarasuman
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Gyan

Required Skills? Good Luck and/or (Snipe and Hard Strike), Knockdown, Magnetic High
Recommended Skills? Beginner's Faux Pas, Concentration, DG Cells, Psychic

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Group BnBs [Have fun trying to land any of these.]
ASP
Dash S-String
C3 -> CSC -> Repeat (DCa -> DCh -> CSC)
Full C4 -> CSC

Ace BnBs
CSC (At Maximum Missile Range)
GSP
[Strongest Powered Down Combo] On Powered Down status, Repeat (Dash S-String -> S-String -> DCa -> S-String (0-2 Hits) -> GSP)
[Best Meterless Powered Down Combo] On Powered Down status, Dash S-String -> S-String -> DCa away
On Powered Down status, Full C4 -> CSC or DCa or DCa Away
On Powered Down status, CSC -> DCa -> Dash S-String

MA BnBs
ASP

Overview
GYAN GYA GYAN!

As the Gyan, you are a machine of many contradictions. You are one of the few for whom Magnetic High makes a huge difference, in a game where it often does either nothing, or less than nothing for most MS's. You also have terrible coverage on your Charge Attacks whether you have it or not, and in situations where you have to go against multiple Aces you are very much boned since you have neither a piercing CSC nor can you build meter with anything remotely resembling safety.

At the very least, you do extremely high damage against MAs. However, you won't be doing much more than spiking damage against them because, again, if there are even so much as grunt captains present with them, you are going to have a tough time building meter for using your ASP.

Rank
D--/C--/A-




Taking it easy today and doing only one MS. The current future log is as follows:

Beargguy -> Destiny -> Impulse -> Gelgoog (Char Aznable) -> Gelgoog
Edited by LordKarasuman, Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:54 am.
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LordKarasuman
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Beargguy

Required Skills? Good Luck and/or (Snipe and Hard Strike)
Recommended Skills? Knockdown, Beginner's Faux Pas, Concentration, DG Cells, Psychic

Videos
None yet.

Group BnBs
ASP
Repeat (DCh -> CSC -> DCa)
C2-6
C2-6 -> Repeat (DCh -> CSC -> DCa)

Ace BnBs
CSC
On Powered Down status, Full C2-6
On Powered Down status, Repeat (DCh -> CSC -> DCa)
ASP
GSP

MA BnBs
ASP
GSP

Overview
You've got one of the slowest walking speeds in the game. In 1v1 scenarios, this makes it hard for you to dodge enemy C1's, meaning you have to be very, VERY careful with your thruster. If you run out of gauge, your walking teddy bear is going to become a walking coffin. Fortunately, you have a good speed on your CSC's startup and shot velocity, so in order to be in trouble using the Beargguy you have to make a mistake first.

Your DCh is perfectly viable as an anti-crowd attacks, as is the one non-dash Charge Attack that you have. However, in terms of taking down a field, your ASP is unmatched. Though it will require that you herd mobs close together, ala the Geara Doga.

MA killing speed is tolerable until you get past an individual parts' shields, in which case it becomes repectable. Again, ASP is your preferred tool here.

Rank
A--/B-/C++
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sounds quite good for a DLC MS that everyone seems to hate, so the moves are completely different from the regular Acguy?
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In terms of Beargguy's moves, DCh is different, GSP is different, and C2-6 is basically Acguy's C2-6 except it shoots off missiles which actually gives it plenty more extra punch. I feel like GSP should be stronger for what it is, though.
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If you get around to it I'd like to know how the Psycho Gundam MK. II turned out.
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Master Omega
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I guess we'll never know how the rest of the roster turned out lol.
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Mon Apr 7, 2014 6:08 pm
I guess we'll never know how the rest of the roster turned out lol.
yep, the game is deeeeeeeaaad, it's almost as fast as GM3, the only ones that got really long lifespan, board discussion and guide topic wise was GM2, i even made a guide for that one here and followed the tiering process in GF till the end, the next 2 titles are just meh, i hete replaying GM3 maps, and i have very little interest in SGM due to Seed-fest and DLC being the actual interesting adds
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It's quite sad to see it come down to that. This game could have had an interesting roster and a better attempt at a crossover story (I actually think re-imagined events in the franchise could have worked provided there were cutscenes), but it squandered that potential for an obvious cash-grab with the easy-to-please Japanese fanbase.

And what's worse is that we have numerous people supporting this style of roster updating where each one is flooded with adds from only one show, all while severely underestimating the number of adds needed for each show to have a VIABLE Official Mode without missing too many major characters and moments.
Edited by Master Omega, Wed Apr 9, 2014 5:08 am.
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 4:54 am
It's quite sad to see it come down to that. This game could have had an interesting roster and a better attempt at a crossover story (I actually think re-imagined events in the franchise could have worked provided there were cutscenes), but it squandered that potential for an obvious cash-grab with the easy-to-please Japanese fanbase.
indeed, at first it shows so much promise, what's with "a compilation of the previous 3 GM games" which everyone hope it will have GM1's superb crossover story and mission quality, GM2's replay value, and GM3's graphics+gameplay. which sounds awesome

what we have in the end is just GM2 with one sided roster adds and a tweaked gameplay

nah, it's not because the fanbase there is easy to please, it's because there's so many choice to pick for a gundam game, those who are not pleased with SGM simply migrate to EXVS/Breaker/others...at least that's what i do, i purchase FB early as a sign of protest to this game's roster adds and bad crossover story>.<

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And what's worse is that we have numerous people supporting this style of roster updating where each one is flooded with adds from only one show, all while severely underestimating the number of adds needed for each show to have a VIABLE Official Mode without missing too many major characters and moments.
that's because the majority of the western fans are Wing and SEED fans, which is why DWG3 and Reborn still sells to some extent, ask G gundam fans and they will show very little interest/support in the game, i have bought 3 GM games in hope that they will at least show some actual love for the series for G(instead of simply making God and master broken tier), but all i get is Gundam-less Schwarz, and Kyoji, plus the devil army as a slap to the face.
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 5:23 am
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And what's worse is that we have numerous people supporting this style of roster updating where each one is flooded with adds from only one show, all while severely underestimating the number of adds needed for each show to have a VIABLE Official Mode without missing too many major characters and moments.
that's because the majority of the western fans are Wing and SEED fans, which is why DWG3 and Reborn still sells to some extent, ask G gundam fans and they will show very little interest/support in the game, i have bought 3 GM games in hope that they will at least show some actual love for the series for G(instead of simply making God and master broken tier), but all i get is Gundam-less Schwarz, and Kyoji, plus the devil army as a slap to the face.
I don't have to ask a G fan, I am one, and experience this discrimination first-hand, though mostly from idiots who couldn't come up with legit arguments outside of "Gundam iz sur-ee-us biz-ness" and bitching about how the cast wasn't a bunch of perfect special snowflakes.

DWG was the game that got me back into the franchise after an extended hiatus of watching anime as a whole. Ever since, I've waited to see one of my favorite series get some attention, yet it never happened. I do agree that being broken tier in every game only goes so far. It's the very reason I reject the single series focus per game idea being thrown around. It won't be G or X or any other series that actually needs new adds in game that will be given the privilege, but 00, Wing, and likely more SEED and Unicorn. Just more of the same. Which is why I simply reject the notion all together. I'd rather the series go on forever, but inevitably please everyone, than focus on the one aspect of the game no one really cares about while only pleasing a single group.

But I guess my position mostly stems from not caring for Official Mode in the first place. I see the games as a receptacle for original stories, rather than repeating the shows over and over again. One Piece Pirate Warriors 2 opted for a focus on an original story and that game lost nothing for it.
Edited by Master Omega, Wed Apr 9, 2014 6:25 am.
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 5:36 am
DWG was the game that got me back into the franchise after an extended hiatus of watching anime as a whole. Ever since, I've waited to see one of my favorite series get some attention, yet it never happened.
this, GM1 gives a lot of hope for classic series that Gundam games rarely touch outside of SRW/G-Gen to shine, GM2 didn't add new playables for G but at least expand the crossover story by a bit by adding Devil into the fray, and it's still acceptable since they have to add V and F91 into the game at that time(along with SEED and CCA), but come GM3, the hope is kinda dashed already...

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I do agree that being broken tier in every game only goes so far. It's the very reason I reject the single series focus per game idea being thrown around. It won't be G or X or any other series that actually needs new adds in game that will be given the privilege, but 00, Wing, and likely more SEED and Unicorn. Just more of the same. Which is why I simply reject the notion all together. I'd rather the series go on forever, but inevitably please everyone, than focus on the one aspect of the game no one really cares about while only pleasing a single group.
indeed, if they focus on one-two series, then they will just keep adding the newer series, not even Stardust Memories get done in SGM even if it was fairly much simpler than, Unicorn or SEED since almost everyone important is already there(Cima is optional, and Neue Ziel's pilot is already there)

the way GM2 and 3 adds their roster is already pretty fair IMO, SGM could've done that too by making half of the SEED roster NPC(becomes playable via DLC) and have Crossbone, FA Uni, Dendro, WZC, and Qan[T] as default roster instead, at least it will attract early buys MORE than what they did now, where everyone just waits for the game to lose value and then buy the game+DLC
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Wed Apr 9, 2014 7:28 am
Master Omega
Wed Apr 9, 2014 5:36 am
DWG was the game that got me back into the franchise after an extended hiatus of watching anime as a whole. Ever since, I've waited to see one of my favorite series get some attention, yet it never happened.
this, GM1 gives a lot of hope for classic series that Gundam games rarely touch outside of SRW/G-Gen to shine, GM2 didn't add new playables for G but at least expand the crossover story by a bit by adding Devil into the fray, and it's still acceptable since they have to add V and F91 into the game at that time(along with SEED and CCA), but come GM3, the hope is kinda dashed already...

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I do agree that being broken tier in every game only goes so far. It's the very reason I reject the single series focus per game idea being thrown around. It won't be G or X or any other series that actually needs new adds in game that will be given the privilege, but 00, Wing, and likely more SEED and Unicorn. Just more of the same. Which is why I simply reject the notion all together. I'd rather the series go on forever, but inevitably please everyone, than focus on the one aspect of the game no one really cares about while only pleasing a single group.
indeed, if they focus on one-two series, then they will just keep adding the newer series, not even Stardust Memories get done in SGM even if it was fairly much simpler than, Unicorn or SEED since almost everyone important is already there(Cima is optional, and Neue Ziel's pilot is already there)

the way GM2 and 3 adds their roster is already pretty fair IMO, SGM could've done that too by making half of the SEED roster NPC(becomes playable via DLC) and have Crossbone, FA Uni, Dendro, WZC, and Qan[T] as default roster instead, at least it will attract early buys MORE than what they did now, where everyone just waits for the game to lose value and then buy the game+DLC
Honestly, I was hoping SEED wouldn't be in at all, and that they focused on finishing Destiny, which was already in. It would have left so many spots available for new characters. Just add in Mu, Cagalli, Rey, and the Extendeds, give the characters their respective suits (which includes Luna's Zaku or the Impulse with a more Shinn-esque moveset) and then spread the remaining love to the other shows. It's not that friggin hard to fathom in terms of marketing, but Bandai continuously shoots itself in the foot over the simplest problems.

And before anyone brings it up: NO, I don't care that the SEED HD Remaster was out at the time. Koei had two sources of competition: Gundam Breaker and Full Boost. On one side, there's a customization focus, not a show focus for the most part. On the other side is Full Boost, which is adding in groups of MS from different series, whether they're TV, OVA or Manga. Considering DWG can add in far more MS than Gundam VS can, Koei missed a perfect opportunity.
Edited by Master Omega, Wed Apr 9, 2014 8:03 am.
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I have to agree with both of you. The SEED HD remaster has actually been my first look at the Cosmic Era stories, and it left me with about the same taste in my mouth that I had back when Kira first beamspammed and bawled at everyone in GM2.

There's just something wrong about the whole SEED gang, with all that stock footage, Athrun's Haro puppy-mill for Lacus (to say nothing of how absolutely cracked CE Haros are compared to, say, 00 or UC Haro), and Kira's Splenda and aspartame Kwisatz Haderach hero ascension.
GM1 was awesome even with the little it gave us. I had only ever seen a handful of Wing episodes before 2007, and getting to experience 0079 MSG, Zeta, Double Zeta, Wing, Turn-A and Mobile Fighter G all together was like spring break and holy communion in one.

Now that GM2 and 3 have come and gone, I can confidently say that SEED's best moment came and went with Kira getting slobberknocked by Tohofuhai. Luna was fun to play, Athrun was only mildly annoying, but the other three, just...
"Let's pray, Haro." :huh:
"Want another WARRR??" :hmmm:
"STOP FIGHTING!" :facepalm:
Now there's even more of them? Mreh. That pool water's starting to turn a funny shade...

I'm not that big on suit tiering, but the fact that Koei had to pick the test-tube genetic superkiddies out of all the Gundam suits, side stories and shows that aren't represented is disappointing. We've even had some of that representation back in the days of Journey to Jaburo and Encounters In Space (the Blue Destiny and the Thoroughbred pilots, respectively), but, oh yeah, that was Bandai...
I'm hoping against hope that we'll see more from G, Wing, Turn-A and the UC series to fill out the line up, but I'll be waiting for Gundam Musou 4 for that. There's only so much SEED a grown man can handle.
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GP03 Dendrobium
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Required skills: Luck, Impulse, Hard Strike, Beginner's Faux Pas, Ace Killer
Recommended skills: Snipe*1, Concentration, See Through*2, High Tension*3

GP03 is probably the closest thing to being broken there is in this game.

Groups:
C3 (beam is a melee attack)

Aces:
GSP2
CSC
C4 (high risk, EXTREMELY high damage)
Burst mode, tap Triangle

MAs:
GSP2
ASP
C6 (needs whiffing)

Overview
Let's start with GP03's apparent invincibility:
C2 launches the I-Field generator from Dendrobium that lasts 20 seconds. It negates all beams from aces and grunts,

Although it will not block continuous beams and physical projectiles, and will disappear after you launch a SP attack (but not normal Cs), and when you're staggered by an attack (weak hits does not count), it still offers a pseudo-god mode for the GP03 to attack anything without fear of retaliation.

The I-Field is active the moment Triangle is pressed so it can be used with sufficient distance between enemy aces.

GSP2 is a single target attack, but with the Required Skills equipped, GSP2 can OHKO a full-health 8 star ace (with max Gundam & pilot stats).
Also, since the damage is delivered at the point of the blast, standing MAs will take damage if you happen to catch a grunt near the MA.

C3 does a 540 spin with the Dendrobium cannon. It will OHKO grunts with Hard Strike (and enough stats). I can consistently wipe fields in ~10 seconds with 2 C3s.
You want to use this to clear grunts around aces to set up a clean hit for the GSP2.

C4 calls in the Dendrobium and drops a chain mine that can be controlled by the left stick. This things has a delayed explosion, making it very hard to land, but it has a bazillion explosions and is virtually guaranteed to down, or kill non-aces if it does ~100% damage (+Impulse).

C5 calls in the Dendrobium and rams all enemies in a straight line over a wide area into the air. This thing hits like a bus, and can OHKO grunts with Hard Strike. Can combo into ASP

C6 is virtually identical to the ASP
C6/ASP has the Dendrobium launch its missile containers and lag the PS Vita. The explosions cover a huge vertical and horizontal volume, but its range is limited.
The S string (esp S5) has quite a bit of forward movement, so you want to start the S string away from MAs if you want to maximise C6 damage on MAs.

Oh and it can OHKO 8 star aces with the right stats and skills. I've said that already?
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So is the tiering project dead?
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It certainly appears to be. It's sad, really.
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why does it have to be dead , you can continue it if you want to.
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We could, but at the moment that could take a while before some of us leveled these suits up enough to test them out.
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