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Topic Started: Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:41 pm (1,396 Views)
LacusClyne
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no matter how i upgrade the fight and thruster cant be max so what am i going to do now?
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I'm not sure about thruster, but with that plan, fight will never get maxed. Fight Maxed at 300 for every slot in the plan. For most unit, you'll need to find a plan with 2 fight slot for it to max.
I also found that for some unit, you'll not be able to max all stats.
Go to this page for more useful info.

http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/topic/7135966/1/#new

Edit: The plan you are working on, the fight and thruster stats will not be able to be maxed.
Look for another plan that have fight on L.Arm and thruster on R.Leg. Combine it into your plan to max the slot stats. With the fight and thruster slot max, you'll end up with the following overall stats.

Fight : 482
Shot : 600
Defense : 600
Armor : 10000
Mobility : 800
Thruster : 950

Edit 2: Btw, is that unit Infinite Justice? That unit will not be able to have a full maxed plan. You'll need 2 fight slot, 1 shot slot, 2 defense slot, 2 armor slot, 2 mobility slot and 2 thruster slot to fully maxed that plan which adds up to a total of 11 slots needed. A plan only have 10 slots, so you'll need to compromise one of the stats.
Edited by sion13, Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:09 pm.
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LacusClyne
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Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:50 pm
I'm not sure about thruster, but with that plan, fight will never get maxed. Fight Maxed at 300 for every slot in the plan. For most unit, you'll need to find a plan with 2 fight slot for it to max.
I also found that for some unit, you'll not be able to max all stats.
Go to this page for more useful info.

http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/topic/7135966/1/#new

Edit: The plan you are working on, the fight and thruster stats will not be able to be maxed.
Look for another plan that have fight on L.Arm and thruster on R.Leg. Combine it into your plan to max the slot stats. With the fight and thruster slot max, you'll end up with the following overall stats.

Fight : 482
Shot : 600
Defense : 600
Armor : 10000
Mobility : 800
Thruster : 950

Edit 2: Btw, is that unit Infinite Justice? That unit will not be able to have a full maxed plan. You'll need 2 fight slot, 1 shot slot, 2 defense slot, 2 armor slot, 2 mobility slot and 2 thruster slot to fully maxed that plan which adds up to a total of 11 slots needed. A plan only have 10 slots, so you'll need to compromise one of the stats.
Someone told me need to get plan with 1 shot 2 fight 2 Def 2 thruster 1 mobility and two armor to get perfect plan. ..
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sion13
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That probably is not going to work. Here's Inf.Justice base stats

Fight 182
Shot 157
Defense 187
Armor 4500
Mobility 300
Thruster 550

Here is the ideal base stats (extracted from BlackKite's topic)

Ideal Base Stats
Fight: 300
Shot: 100
Defense: 300
Armor: 5000
Mobility: 400
Thruster: 600

With an ideal base plan, you'll only need one slot for each stats. But so far, i don't see any ideal base plan yet.

You'll need at least 2 base stats that is equal to or more than the ideal base stats for a fully maxed plan. For Inf.Justice, only shot is above the ideal stats point. Which means only shot needs 1 slot and the rest needs at least 2 slot. If you take a look on your existing plan, mobility maxed at 800 which needs a +500 to max but mobility maxed at 400 per slot, so you'll need 2 of them at least.

I hope this helps.
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LacusClyne
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:06 am
That probably is not going to work. Here's Inf.Justice base stats

Fight 182
Shot 157
Defense 187
Armor 4500
Mobility 300
Thruster 550

Here is the ideal base stats (extracted from BlackKite's topic)

Ideal Base Stats
Fight: 300
Shot: 100
Defense: 300
Armor: 5000
Mobility: 400
Thruster: 600

With an ideal base plan, you'll only need one slot for each stats. But so far, i don't see any ideal base plan yet.

You'll need at least 2 base stats that is equal to or more than the ideal base stats for a fully maxed plan. For Inf.Justice, only shot is above the ideal stats point. Which means only shot needs 1 slot and the rest needs at least 2 slot. If you take a look on your existing plan, mobility maxed at 800 which needs a +500 to max but mobility maxed at 400 per slot, so you'll need 2 of them at least.

I hope this helps.
seriously i am very confused about the mixing of plan...
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I'll try to explain about plans in this post together with the question you posted in the material post since both are about plans.

I'm assuming you're getting s rank plans by now. About 75-80% of the time, s rank plans are full plans, which means all the 5 parts already have stats in them. Those are fixed. For example, if you get a plan that has 3 fight, 2 shot, 3 armor and 2 thrusters, that plan's defense and mobility will never be able to be upgraded. That plan will end up with max fight, shot, armor and thrusters, that's it you will not be able to change the stats that's attached onto the individual parts.

But occasionally, you will get s rank plans with end empty part. This kind of plan can be manipulated up to a degree. Example, you get a base plan that only has 4 parts on it (the R.Arm is empty) and the stats are 1 fight, 1 shot, 2 defense, 2 armor, 1 mobility and 1 thruster.
With this plan, you can combine it with another plan that has R.Arm on it and add the stats to the base plan. In this case, I'll try to get a plan that the R.Arm plan has fight and mobility and combine it into my base plan. Then my base plan will have 2 fight, 2 shot, 2 defense, 2 armor,2 mobility and 1 thruster.

So simply said, if you get a full plan, the stats is fixed you can only be able to increase the points in the stats. If you get a partial plan, you can insert stats of your choice provided they are both on the same part.
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LacusClyne
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:16 am
I'll try to explain about plans in this post together with the question you posted in the material post since both are about plans.

I'm assuming you're getting s rank plans by now. About 75-80% of the time, s rank plans are full plans, which means all the 5 parts already have stats in them. Those are fixed. For example, if you get a plan that has 3 fight, 2 shot, 3 armor and 2 thrusters, that plan's defense and mobility will never be able to be upgraded. That plan will end up with max fight, shot, armor and thrusters, that's it you will not be able to change the stats that's attached onto the individual parts.

But occasionally, you will get s rank plans with end empty part. This kind of plan can be manipulated up to a degree. Example, you get a base plan that only has 4 parts on it (the R.Arm is empty) and the stats are 1 fight, 1 shot, 2 defense, 2 armor, 1 mobility and 1 thruster.
With this plan, you can combine it with another plan that has R.Arm on it and add the stats to the base plan. In this case, I'll try to get a plan that the R.Arm plan has fight and mobility and combine it into my base plan. Then my base plan will have 2 fight, 2 shot, 2 defense, 2 armor,2 mobility and 1 thruster.

So simply said, if you get a full plan, the stats is fixed you can only be able to increase the points in the stats. If you get a partial plan, you can insert stats of your choice provided they are both on the same part.
Ok I somehow get the idea now but dies plan come with perfect stats like 2 Def 1 shot 2 fight 1 mobility 2 amour and 2 thruster? It so hard to make a perfect plan...
So is there anyway to get a plan with 1 shot 2 fight 2 thruster 2 mobility 2 Def and 2 amour? Or mostly of the time we need to mix with those empty part...
Edited by LacusClyne, Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:02 am.
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Plans do come in good stats distribution but needs lots of farming to come across one or pure luck.
I have been using Strike Freedom for over 50 times but still haven't gotten a good plan yet, I got my perfect plan for G gundam in about 10 times.

Partial plan do comes in messed up stats distribution as well. I got one will 3 shot on them.

Its luck I guess..... and time.
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LacusClyne
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:19 am
Plans do come in good stats distribution but needs lots of farming to come across one or pure luck.
I have been using Strike Freedom for over 50 times but still haven't gotten a good plan yet, I got my perfect plan for G gundam in about 10 times.

Partial plan do comes in messed up stats distribution as well. I got one will 3 shot on them.

Its luck I guess..... and time.
So you mean your god gundam when u farm that plan it come with 2 fight 1 shot 2 Def 2 armor all this?
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I got this.

http://www.imagebam.com/image/12fb5e298829946
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LacusClyne
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Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:07 am
yes you got 2 armor 2 def 1 mobility 2 thruster 2 fight and 1 shot... that make sense now... Anyway i got a picture to show this can be max right i hope i am doing it correct now...

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o729/HikariNatsumi/20140114_175123_zps0b239496.jpg


and how come my wing ew can max with two mobility?

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o729/HikariNatsumi/20140113_140455_zps4e6c5ef6.jpg
Edited by LacusClyne, Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:18 am.
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Wing EW has high base stats. It only need 1 armor, 1 mobility, 1 shot, 2 fight, 2 defense and 2 thruster for a full max the plan.
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LacusClyne
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how about this am i doing correct?

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o729/HikariNatsumi/20140114_175123_zps0b239496.jpg
Check the bottom 3 stats (Armor, Mobility, Thruster). If one of them equals or surpasses the ideal base stat, it will be possible to have a totally maxed out stat plan for that unit.

By this meaning is it if any one of the base stats is over i can max all no matter what? sry to keep asking question hope you don mind...
so example if say now my amour is 5100 base and thruster 600 base but mobility is 375 do my plan need have two mobility or even one mobility i can max out all?
Edited by LacusClyne, Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:00 pm.
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1) The plan you are working on will not be able to have a max mobility. Actually that unit itself will never be able to have a total maxed plan.

2) You'll need 2 stats that is equal or more than the ideal base stats to make a total maxed stats plan. What I notice so far is shot is always more than the ideal base stat, so if any other stat is over their ideal base stat you'll be able to make a total maxed stats plan.

3) You'll need 2 mobility for the example you put up.
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LacusClyne
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oh i thought it say if anyone of the stats is over there is chance to max all so now my mobility cant be max am i right from the look of this picture?

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o729/HikariNatsumi/20140114_203830_zps90e8a533.jpg
Actually in this game which part is most important for 8 Star playing... I saw other forum people say thruster and mobility not really a must to max...
Sry to keep asking you question hope you don't mind... example I am using let call it plan A as my main I need to use other plan to combine with other plan to upgrade as much as possible before putting into plan a right? And not using plan A to combine one by one right?
Edited by LacusClyne, Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:20 pm.
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1) Yup. That plan's mobility will not be able to get max. But it should be possible to max unicorn. The plan you have there is quite close if only one of the fight is mobility you'll be able to max unicorn.

2) Not sure about other players but for me I chose to compromise thruster.

3) Yes. By increasing the stats points on the combiner plan, when you combine into your base plan(A), the stats points increase will be higher. Also, if the combiner plan has been upgraded, there will be bonus stats points added when combined into the base plan(A) as well. The bonus is calculated by the number of times the combiner plan has been upgraded multiply by 2, accept for armor which is multiply by 20.

No worries about asking questions. Just helping a fellow player to enjoy the game more.
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LacusClyne
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Thanks alot now I really understand already what u mean it better to put a fully upgrade plan rather then using a single plan to upgrade...
Can I know mostly you grind your plan at which stage?
Edited by LacusClyne, Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:12 pm.
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I grind at 一騎当万, the 2nd last stage. It's the stage where 3 airships will appear and start bombarding. You'll get a 2nd plan after 500 having shotdowns. No ace or squad leaders will appear.
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LacusClyne
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I thought first stage is better haa...
I have last question for you let say a plan that I upgrade already have max stats for example like 9/15 I still have 6 slot so I can just throw to the plan I want or is it better to put 6 more plan in the put to the plan I want. Which is better? Or there is no different? Since at 9/15 stats already max so no matter I put what also will not increase. ..
Edited by LacusClyne, Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:52 am.
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If everything is maxed out, I'll probably just throw in some rank E plans to make it 15/15. It gives additional bonus stats points when combined into the base plan that I want.
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LacusClyne
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Can i throw s rank instead? Even through if does not add anymore...
Haa you are officially my mentor now haa
And after you complete your plan if left 2 3 slot what do u do? Just leave it there?
thanks teacher i have complete my quanta 00 http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o729/HikariNatsumi/20140115_181539_zpsac6c3734.jpg
Edited by LacusClyne, Wed Jan 15, 2014 11:39 am.
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yup. you can use s rank as well.
lol. I'm not good enough to be a mentor yet. just a fellow player.
I'll just leave those extra slots there if any is left.
nice job on quanta 00. I'm still having no luck on strike freedom.
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LacusClyne
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Haa but thanks to you I finally understand how the upgrade work... The spare slot if add other plan in it it still add stats you can try it...
But the gold mat really drop little if only the money in game can bought those material lol
Do you ever feed a fully upgrade a rank plan to your main s rank plan before?
Keep farming you will get it one day...
Edited by LacusClyne, Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:09 pm.
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Usually after I maxed a plan, I don't feed it anymore plans. I sell the surplus for money to upgrade my pilot.

gold mat really are a pain in the rear to get.

I haven't fed any A rank plan to my main S rank before. I sell anything that's below S.
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LacusClyne
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Oh I see ya the gold mat really very little... have you max your victory gundam yet?
How your strike freedom? anyway can it be max?
Edited by LacusClyne, Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:37 am.
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