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| Tweet Topic Started: Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:53 am (2,260 Views) | |
| Amakusa | Mon Apr 21, 2014 7:53 am Post #1 |
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http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/topic/7171334/ It feels like the Report feature doesn't do anything because the thread devolved into people bashing each other over their sexual preferences and even a moderator posting in the middle of it ignoring the problem. Heck there's even a post with a rather crude vulgarity in it. http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/single/?p=9694476&t=7171334 I don't care if this is way out of line, but what went on there in the past couple days is beyond what I'd expect this place would allow to go on even for three days. |
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| LittleDragonZ | Mon Apr 21, 2014 12:58 pm Post #2 |
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I have not seen these reports myself, but it does work. I'm presuming another moderator completed the report (completed as in acknowledged it). Although the subject I don't think was much of an issue, it's still better off elsewhere and didn't need a dragged out argument. Hopefully it'll halt now. |
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| Master Omega | Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:23 pm Post #3 |
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I know that it's mostly due to the lax moderation policy here. But, I can see where Amakusa is coming from in disliking the lack of initiative in dealing with crude or aggressive conversations. I could name five members off the top of my head who have taken aggressive stances towards other members on a repeated basis. Yet it took several instances of their poor attitudes to get noticed. It may ultimately be an issue with people not reporting it (for obvious reasons). |
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| necrosis | Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:02 pm Post #4 |
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Its not just that, but they go back to being utter twats within two weeks after being told to stop it (if they even are). Some problematic members seem to just get a slap on the wrist.
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| Master Omega | Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:00 pm Post #5 |
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Exactly. It seems like some can get away with flat out bullying people for several pages. Some of them constantly talk sh*t about Naomasa long after discussion of him died down just to continue taking swipes at WarHawk and those who disagree with them, only to turn around and play the "opinion" card, if they even try to excuse their actions at all. Edited by Master Omega, Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:15 pm.
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| tmma1869 | Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:59 am Post #6 |
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In my case, I was afraid to report rather rude posts directed at me because part of me knows that it might be useless even if I was told to report them so certain rude people need to be taught a lesson about respecting other peoples' opinions, which is something no one bothers to do in this forum nowadays, and the reason why I need to spend less time here. |
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| Master Omega | Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:09 am Post #7 |
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That's also a great point to bring up. There is a purveying fear and stigma around the act of reporting another member, especially knowing how much some can get away with. You could file a report, never have it answered, and continue being stuck in the same situation. Some of the best examples of moderation come from BlackKite's patrolling of the Gundam Musou thread at the height of tension over Shin Gundam Musou's roster. Just as an example: Party A made a scathing comment about the roster of the game, saying they would only buy it due to the DLC that was announced, which they felt had better roster choices than the game itself. Party B attacked Party A because of their hatred for the show represented in the DLC and love for the show catered to by the game's roster. These attacks were unprovoked and escalating as time passed. BlackKite immediately reacted upon finding this mess, and things cleared up until needed again. |
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| tmma1869 | Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:37 am Post #8 |
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That's why I feel certain members are so unfair sometimes. The rude people can get away with their rudeness while their victims continue to suffer and even feel unwelcome in this forum from their bullying while secretly plotting to make their bullies miserable so badly but couldn't bring themselves to immediately do it. I'm not good at confronting rude people so I used to ignore them or get frustrated only to myself at first. But when someone else finally experienced the same unjust treatment as me just for having an opinion that a rude person had to berate, I've decided that I've had enough of that person and eventually report 3 rude posts directed at me months earlier. I got no PM yet, but it turns out that the person finally shut up and stopped being rude to other people probably because he was reported for a total of 4 or 5 times. Yes. I was actually encouraged to leave the forum once by a rude person thanks to the theme and I said I couldn't stand her at all. That rude person is a total fan of hers and he told me that I was jealous because I'm not as fabulous as that woman twice it's driving me crazy. He never respects any opinion I point out.My talking about leaving the forum that time was just a sarcastic remark. Though I want to leave or be inactive on bad times here, I just can't do that instantly. You know that feeling, right? |
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| Master Omega | Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:14 am Post #9 |
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I know that feeling all too well. I was inactive here for the longest time because I didn't want to put up with the stupidity of people. I came back only recently. I don't let idiots bother me when it comes to my personal well-being, but I can't stand how they treat others. Funny you mention the Kosho Cult, you can probably identify some of the undesirables here by the Koshosho avatars and sigs. It figures that a character whose personality is akin to a diva would be popular with self-important f*cktards. Plus, I probably know who you're speaking of. Not that all of the Kosho people are bad, though. It's like any fandom. . .inevitably attracts stupid in various shapes and sizes. Don't feel too bad though. I'm on the opposite spectrum; too eager to fight all the time. Edited by Master Omega, Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:44 am.
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| necrosis | Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:52 am Post #10 |
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I don't think its a coincidence that a lot of the forum bullies are all decked out in themes of that character either. While you are right that not everyone who is a fan of that thing is a bad person, I just put most people sporting avs and sigs of it in my ignore category regardless, because most of them just all seem to have the same kind of abusive personality. Its just usually a very big tell if they have that pink afro plastered over everything. I feel bad for all the innocent fans of it now though. : / |
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| Master Omega | Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:58 am Post #11 |
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Yeah, I didn't want to jump to that conclusion so readily, but it's far too consistent to be just a mere coincidence. I see it as either 1. They identify with a domineering/bitchy personality or 2. Being part of something THAT popular gives them some sort of platform to look down at others from. |
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| Uesugi Kenshin | Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:06 am Post #12 |
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Hey now, quite a few Koshosho fans who have her as a sig/av set are right nice people. DMR springs to mind almost immediately. It does seem like quite a few people with super outspoken personalities tend to ruin the fun for everyone else though. I admit I've done some stupid stuff in the past but I've never really actively tried to exacerbate problems or meanly tease people or something. So seeing people go that far is saddening. I'm never sure what the fine line is between "okay by the rules" or "not okay", so I never know when to report. Part of that IS because of the lack of moderations, so I don't know how to help the mods by reporting. Now I'm not saying the moderators should go on a banning spree. I'd just personally like to see when someone is punished or warned for something and why so I can recognize when something is bad and further so I can avoid it myself. |
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| Deleted User | Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:16 am Post #13 |
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Ieyasu you need to settle down and cool off, that person was obviously joking and meant no ill will. Youre complaining about people consistently acting rudely and aggressive and here you are acting rudely and aggressive, it isn't helping your case.
another example of such behavious in this thread im not saying im against this behaviour, i think its perfectly human to vent out frustration in aggressive ways, just trying to point out your moral high ground is incredibly shaky. |
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| NaoHonda Kaishosho | Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:21 am Post #14 |
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Name and shame though guys, maybe if you said names you could say your issue and get it sorted out without the bickering. I'm also reading some sort of war hawk hate defense, I have trolled the sw4 section before for a joke about it, not specifically him, if someone can't take a simple little joke about a game character then that's pretty sad. I've never seen war hawk get offended by it nor have I ever had a problem with him, he is fine, so I don't know why you're getting defensive of him, he is a big boy and I'm sure if he thought people were bullying him he would stand up for himself. Why anyone would get angry over having their favourite character bitched about is beyond me, someone can say what they like about Tamamo I really couldn't careless if you love her or hate her, your choice. Stop taking everything so seriously and I'm sure you'd see a lighter side to things. Edited by NaoHonda Kaishosho, Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:06 am.
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| Ma Su | Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:45 am Post #15 |
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^ Not everything can be light, this is passion for some people, an artist lives for his art, and the art critic even more so. You need to realize that it doesn't matter if it seems childish to you, because if someone else is sincerely hurt, and you have the gall to sit there and say that they are being too sensitive, then you, sir, should be banned from contact with others. |
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| NaoHonda Kaishosho | Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:49 am Post #16 |
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But this is a game...it'd be different if I was commenting on people's personal lives with a light hearted sense of humour. No one should get huffy over someone's game critique, everyone has to have a line of sensitivity otherwise it's not healthy, id dread to think if something that was actually considered bad happened to someone who couldn't even take a bit of banter about a video game on a forum. |
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| Master Omega | Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:54 am Post #17 |
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That's pretty much what I'm getting at. It just happens to congregate in areas, ruining what could be fun for everyone into something that just ends up badly for everyone involved. I of course appended my post earlier to note that there are good-natured Kosho fans, and it just happens that a lot of negativity springs up around the character's fandom, as with anything else. I just wish moderators wouldn't let that behavior go on for as long as it does.
There's very much a need to be angry at those who abuse the lack of enforcement, and to want to see them actually dealt with in a befitting manner. I do appreciate the input, though.
What has been said is in the past, there's no point in naming individuals. The point of bringing the complaint up and the examples was a way to bring the issue to the forefront. They are to serve as models for discussion on what this kind of situation looks like and how to best handle it.
I'm well aware of the situation, I had the displeasure of reading through those discussions while the SW4 info was pouring out. Again, preface the above statement: It's for reference. I brought up Warhawk because it's nearly a month or so after the Naomasa Wars (might as well give it a humorous title) and people are still referencing it and not letting it go in any sense. Yes, some have moved on, even Warhawk himself, but others still persist on not doing the same. That's why it's a good point of reference to some of the negativity that spreads here.
Precisely, anyone can love or hate or desire whatever they want. It's a forum after all. Koshosho fans can love their Pink-Haired Goddess and I can playfully poke fun at them like we did in the Koshosho Warriors topic (which was insanely fun, BTW).
We all try not to. But sometimes things cannot be ignored. As I've often said, I don't care much for my own well-being or people insulting me. It's often in the interests of others that I act. I honestly think that everyone involved needs to let loose and have fun like we did in the Koshosho Warriors topic. Instead of being angry at everything for too long, I flat out roleplayed as a Rebel Commander lol. |
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| Ma Su | Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:55 am Post #18 |
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Emotional investment on their part makes it important. If you said "I don't like ____ because ____" then we would be fine, but trolling is a cruel way to hurt someones emotions, my stance remains unchanged, and I see you are unable to comprehend it. Good day to you sir. |
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| NaoHonda Kaishosho | Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:04 am Post #19 |
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Hurting someone's emotions by saying "lol naomasa ain't coming lol" I've spoken to war hawk plenty of times and we've never ever had a problem, so you can deal with whatever you have going on there... @Master, I'd never intentionally pick on someone to make them cry or upset them, like wynter is my best friend in real life but when he started to attack crusader I told him to back off and leave him alone. I know the difference between harmless fun and real actual bullying and whether you're my friend or not if thought you was deliberately trying to just pick on someone for the fun of it I'd always say something. Edited by NaoHonda Kaishosho, Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:04 am.
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| Ma Su | Tue Apr 22, 2014 5:13 am Post #20 |
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Humph! If someone is hurt have the decency to stop, it's not a particular issue, but the general principle. |
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| NaoHonda Kaishosho | Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:16 am Post #21 |
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I'm really sorry but I can't take this seriously. War Hawk has a life outside this forum and game, I'm sure his moment of anger didn't last when Naomasa didn't get added, what about all the constant Naotora hate he was throwing? I didn't see anyone getting defensive about that. |
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| UpInMahBubble | Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:22 am Post #22 |
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Sorry but the taking swipes at Naomasa isn't limited to the "kosho cult". I can think of about half the forum doing that. What about him constantly taking swipes at Naotora? Nobody called for him to stop then. It works both ways ![]() Besides if that's what you call bullying then I'd hate to see how you handle real bullying on a forum. Can't really complain about people antagonizing others when you've both done the same anyway. Bit of pot and kettle, no?. I'd suggest you lighten up, and stop taking things seriously.
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| NaoHonda Kaishosho | Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:31 am Post #23 |
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I know exactly what situation is being spoken about, it's when I saw Naotora in her cutscene where she high jump kicked Toyohisa in the face, I went full fan girl and said how happy I was Naomasa wasn't added because Naotora plays the role so perfectly. I then "jokingly" put "AND HE NEVA BEING ADDED" which clearly 1. Isn't something I know and 2. Completely untrue, if you know enough about the game then surely you would have known it was a blatant mess around? People moaned saying how important he was and that he is definitely getting added, suddenly a few people say something bad and all hope is lost, I know nothing about the history lol I base all my opinions on the game, I don't know how important he is so any comment I make about him should probably be ignored, otherwise like some people have, you will get pissy. |
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| Queen | Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:10 pm Post #24 |
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Basically.....you're upset because you don't share popular opinion and want to be favoured? Its a forum. Don't take it so seriously. In fact, if the moderation is so bad, why don't you leave, or make somewhere better suited to your tastes? Also please, OP, don't act high and mighty and as if you've never made rude comments before.
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| Erminaz | Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:39 pm Post #25 |
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^Exactly Diva, it's funny how 2 of the first 4 posters on this thread have actually been rude and snappy to other members themselves, several times I've seen it myself. Just saying. I think the real problem on this forum (not aimed at any one person in particular) is how butthurt some people get when someone disagrees with them. Now I'm not going to be holier than thou, that was me when I first signed up too, but I like to think I've moved past it now. Just learn to handle a debate maturely people, that's supposed to be what forums are for, debating and sharing views. God forbid we have our own opinions
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theme and I said I couldn't stand her at all. That rude person is a total fan of hers and he told me that I was jealous because I'm not as fabulous as that woman twice it's driving me crazy. He never respects any opinion I point out.





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