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Shin Gundam Musou [Dynasty Warriors: Gundam Reborn]
Topic Started: Tue Sep 3, 2013 5:00 pm (22,208 Views)
bigmacthecaveman
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I would also like to see the GP03 with Dendro as a burst or something. Unfortunately there is a large list of things I want to see and even with this title's release I.m losing hope for them.
Don't get me wrong there are some interesting things going on with this game but as many have said, this definitely doesn't feel like a full game and I personally don't think it was supposed to. I see a mid-step title put out to test the waters so to speak. So I hope hat
Stupid phone, ANYWAY, I hope that Bandai and Koei observe well and take the strong traits from this title to make a better and much more complete sequel.
Edited by bigmacthecaveman, Mon Jan 6, 2014 7:00 am.
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Yeah, SDM has some strong possibilities. and with GP-03 + Dendro, we can also get NZ xD.

but still i guess GP-01 does have some room for coolness, and can have some good attacks. like, maybe they could attack an attack where; it full vernier forward with a slash, hitting a column of enemies, then it front verniers backwards with a turning back slash to hit them again. that be a decent C4 or C6 attack. or he could do it in rapid succession and be a GSP.
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bigmacthecaveman
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A strafe slash GSP would be definitely welcome compared to its charging slash is now. It's so weak.
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yeah. im hoping that the nexy GM game will offer a complete UC including a complete unicorn, and some inclusion of WitP, SDM, and 08th MST. and with some SDm attention we can also get Val walo xD. need some crab love.
Edited by tyrox9, Mon Jan 6, 2014 7:26 am.
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This might be rather stupid but is there a way you could play as different suits in official mode? I finished the Gundam and Gundam Z storylines yesterday so I'm done with the "worst" must-play-as suits but some of these missions (yes, I'm looking at you mission 5 in Z Gundam's storyline) could really contribute to the 10,000 kills card for the other suits in the game.

I must admit though; while I am an avid fan of the series this game feels far too much like DWG2 for me to like (DWG2 was my least favorite), and the card grinding system reminds me of how tedious DWG2 grinding was like for the platinum trophy. Like DWG2 then, I am not going to bother with it and just play the game until I get bored of it which should be shortly after unlocking the 00 suits, I think.
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As far as I know, only 2P can choose a different suit in an Official Mode
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Mon Jan 6, 2014 7:30 am
I must admit though; while I am an avid fan of the series this game feels far too much like DWG2 for me to like (DWG2 was my least favorite), and the card grinding system reminds me of how tedious DWG2 grinding was like for the platinum trophy. Like DWG2 then, I am not going to bother with it and just play the game until I get bored of it which should be shortly after unlocking the 00 suits, I think.
You aren't alone. It's almost worse than the Mission Mode All Clear Trophy in 2. The Card Collection adds a very huge amount of hours to playtime which becomes very boring, especially doing it with characters you hate.

It takes a while to unlock 00 stuff, with two of it's characters (Tieria and Ribbons). You can simply cut to that Operation they'd be in once the Operation is unlocked though. But I just went through normal. I suggest skipping through Official Mode cutscenes and Ultimate Mode cutscenes that are lackluster and play the missions where Medals actually matter for those characters unlocking that stuff.

3 was a master piece compared to this by far. And I consider the new game like many people, the worst of the series. I think it really might be worse than 2. In fact, it's almost better to download 3's DLC if you haven't already instead of buying this game.

It makes me think the next game will be decent, but the next game after that will suck again. It's the kind of trend with these game, where odd numbered titles are the only good ones.

It'll take a good 80/100+ hours for that Platinum Trophy depending on how much time you can really save grinding kills for Cards for the Collection. T_T
Edited by Nigoli, Mon Jan 6, 2014 11:30 am.
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one question about trophies, is there an online trophy for this?, i hate DWG3 for that...the game is already taxing enough with its offline trophies, adding shotdown trophies for online play is just overkill IMO

musou games never really worked well online IMO except for the ones that are intentionally made for online, like DWBB, KR2 being one of the biggest proof of this, ditto with DW7's very awkward online mode...

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it's almost better to download 3's DLC if you haven't already instead of buying this game.
not really IMO, if you wait long enough you can get this game with the price of those DLC's, whereas said DLC's will never get any cheaper than that....and yes, i completely hate DLC's
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Mon Jan 6, 2014 12:38 pm
one question about trophies, is there an online trophy for this?, i hate DWG3 for that...the game is already taxing enough with its offline trophies, adding shotdown trophies for online play is just overkill IMO

musou games never really worked well online IMO except for the ones that are intentionally made for online, like DWBB, KR2 being one of the biggest proof of this, ditto with DW7's very awkward online mode...

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it's almost better to download 3's DLC if you haven't already instead of buying this game.
not really IMO, if you wait long enough you can get this game with the price of those DLC's, whereas said DLC's will never get any cheaper than that....and yes, i completely hate DLC's
i heard there was no online trophies. prolly cause nobody enjoys doing them.
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Mon Jan 6, 2014 12:41 pm
i heard there was no online trophies. prolly cause nobody enjoys doing them.
glad to hear that, those needless trophies denied me platinum for KR2 and GM3 already, though i'm not a trophy freak i'm still disappointed, mainly because online mode was just a very insignificant feature in games like these



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Ironically, while this game has no online trophies, I think it's probably the one game I would have expected out of it. Game is so much more tolerable with a second person and literally everything can be done online.
On a completely random note, I think this game might have the most reasonable compromise on Lunamaria's abilities.

Her highest stat is still Shot, but interestingly, her final unlockable skill is Hard Strike while Snipe is conspicuously absent. I guess this shows the fact that she was mostly a shootan pilot in the series, but respects the idea that she always fancied herself something closer to a melee user.
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Mon Jan 6, 2014 11:03 am
3 was a master piece compared to this by far. And I consider the new game like many people, the worst of the series. I think it really might be worse than 2. In fact, it's almost better to download 3's DLC if you haven't already instead of buying this game.

It makes me think the next game will be decent, but the next game after that will suck again. It's the kind of trend with these game, where odd numbered titles are the only good ones.

It'll take a good 80/100+ hours for that Platinum Trophy depending on how much time you can really save grinding kills for Cards for the Collection. T_T
Reading all these reviews and comments of the game is really frighting me in a way lol. I was planning on getting it day 1 in the summer/fall or whenever it comes out too! Now Im skeptical hmm

As much as I love gundam 3, Im at roughly 160 hours to date on it, so idk if I can continue playing it for another 3 years until GM5 comes out :unsure:
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So, just to make sure. For the Platinum trophy, do you need every Card for the Card Collection, or do you just need to get the Cards that unlock stuff for play by everyone else? Still unsure about this.
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Mon Jan 6, 2014 11:03 am
3 was a master piece compared to this by far. And I consider the new game like many people, the worst of the series. I think it really might be worse than 2.
I disagree. I really enjoyed 2 while 3 really disappointed me. Still, I don't think I like Shin as much as I liked 1 or 2. Still debating on wether I like it more than 3 though.
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I really hated 2. If it is as grindy as people say I'm happy I'm getting it for VITA for travel, should make it more reasonable. I have no gripes with the roster like most so I guess i just hope end game isn't as horrid as people are describing...
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Mon Jan 6, 2014 11:10 pm
I really hated 2. If it is as grindy as people say I'm happy I'm getting it for VITA for travel, should make it more reasonable. I have no gripes with the roster like most so I guess i just hope end game isn't as horrid as people are describing...
Roster aside, I don't really think its that bad. Most of the gameplay changes seem good and there are a variety of other options that are fairly helpful. I'm even okay with the card system because its simply better than the friendship system. I'm more annoyed with the things that they overlooked this time. Removing the random pilot ms mechanic instead of just making it a option you could turn off and on, having no cutscenes in Ultimate mode, not making most if not all the pilots that are in this game playable when they easily could be, and of course the endgame, which does look pretty bad. So yeah, I think I like it better than 3 so far. I won't know for certain if I like it more than 2 until I actually play it. So I probably will be getting it. The question is when I get it and for how much.
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Reading all these reviews and comments of the game is really frighting me in a way lol. I was planning on getting it day 1 in the summer/fall or whenever it comes out too! Now Im skeptical hmm

As much as I love gundam 3, Im at roughly 160 hours to date on it, so idk if I can continue playing it for another 3 years until GM5 comes out :unsure:
Everything about this game is bland and pointless in the end, from the art style and from the botched gameplay. Not to mention there's no real challenge to the game. I still think it should have been cheaper. 3 is a better game. Hell, even 2 might be. And they are very cheap now. :P
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So, just to make sure. For the Platinum trophy, do you need every Card for the Card Collection, or do you just need to get the Cards that unlock stuff for play by everyone else? Still unsure about this.
Every Card for the Card Collection + Official Mode done including any missing Cutscenes. I'm not sure if all Medals are a requirement, but I had them all done when I got my Platinum Trophy. It unlocked, when I unlocked a missing cutscene from Z Gundam where the Radish explodes, since I didn't bother leaving Emma alone from Yazan in my first playthrough.

http://s13.zetaboards.com/koeiwarriors/single/?p=9575109&t=7098489
Edited by Nigoli, Tue Jan 7, 2014 12:24 am.
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Mon Jan 6, 2014 11:49 pm
Everything about this game is bland and pointless in the end, from the art style and from the botched gameplay. Not to mention there's no real challenge to the game. I still think it should have been cheaper. 3 is a better game. Hell, even 2 might be. And they are very cheap now. :P
What exactly makes DWG 3 so much better than this game? As I've already said, I think 3 was terrible. Also, what makes DWG 2 so bad in your opinion?
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Honestly even with whats bad in this game, it is by no means a bad game, the game play is quite good and even with fps drops the game is still very playable, honestly the fps drops dont even bug me iv gotten used to them and the recent patch i updated to fixed a good amount of fps drops for me.

With MAs finaly being playable, adding more new units to try, DWG2 style maps,custom soundtrack and a pretty good soundtrack in game already this game is more than likely the best gundam musou iv ever played even with all its bad sides.

I recently had a friend over that played allot of DWG3 with me to try SGM, while he doesnt know much about gundam musou he really liked dwg3 and after playing this one he says this one is allot better IHO.

Theres gonna be ppl that dont like it like and ppl that do, we all have our views of the perfect gundam musou game and while this is not the perfect one, it does do a good job in many importent places.

Ending with this, this game feels like it was maybe made with a limited budget or a way to cash in quickly, but like many others i think this is just the 1st part of the true dynasty warriors gundam and am hoping we get a XL like expansion.
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Roster aside, I don't really think its that bad. Most of the gameplay changes seem good and there are a variety of other options that are fairly helpful. I'm even okay with the card system because its simply better than the friendship system. I'm more annoyed with the things that they overlooked this time. Removing the random pilot ms mechanic instead of just making it a option you could turn off and on, having no cutscenes in Ultimate mode, not making most if not all the pilots that are in this game playable when they easily could be, and of course the endgame, which does look pretty bad. So yeah, I think I like it better than 3 so far. I won't know for certain if I like it more than 2 until I actually play it. So I probably will be getting it. The question is when I get it and for how much.
Yeah I agree the gameplay looks great and at the end of the day Thats the main thing. I agree on the card system over the Friendship thing as well, even if it is more time consuming. I mean I grinded every pilot and Suit to max level in DWG1 and I only have 5 (admittedly amazing) stages for some pilots there so I'm quite fine with grinding.

The random pilot /MS thing drove me crazy so although I do agree option would have been better I am not gonna miss it. I feel I should like it more than 2 and the question on whether I like it more than 3 is a bit more cloudy.

I know one thing for certain though. Last blinking time I order from yes Asia if the dam thing isn't here this week.
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DW2 is the best in the series. good roster addition; including adding mooks. Balanced limelight for all series (which is the main problem with these games it seems). Official mode was solid enough. Awesome cutscenes

GM3 was the biggest piece of trash in the series with crap limelight, and crappy additions to the roster, rehashing, it was just really lazy.
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What exactly makes DWG 3 so much better than this game? As I've already said, I think 3 was terrible. Also, what makes DWG 2 so bad in your opinion?
You can view a few pages back, and my Mini-Review in that other thread. I kinda wanna cut back on posting the same things. Sorry.
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I can't wait to play this game, screw the fixed Friendship System in 3, etc.
Well I hope the best for how you guys would think how this game will be. Since it isn't all it's cracked up to be even if you're watching the eye candy on videos.

The Card Collection is the worst kind of grind fest out of all 4 of these games. It's not a fun experience, and a more boring one in which I prefer the Friendship system from both the previous games. I would like to see a take what you guys think after the Platinum status.
Edited by Nigoli, Tue Jan 7, 2014 12:23 am.
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Well I hope the best for how you guys would think how this game will be. Since it isn't all it's cracked up to be even if you're watching the eye candy on videos.
Quite frankly, I think we just have different ideas on what makes a DWG game good.

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The Card Collection is the worst kind of grind fest out of all 4 of these games. It's not a fun experience, and a more boring one in which I prefer the Friendship system from both the previous games. I would like to see a take what you guys think after the Platinum status.


You're making the assumption that I for one will want to 100% this game. I really don't care about fulfilling a games achievements/Medals. I just care about playing the game. The least I can say about the card system is that they are guarantees as opposed to the friendship system, which was very cumbersome in 2 because specific missions required that you get high friendship with characters. Meanwhile, 3's friendship system could simply break. I've had friends who couldn't complete the game because their friendship with certain characters simply wasn't increasing.
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You're making the assumption that I for one will want to 100% this game. I really don't care about fulfilling a games achievements/Medals. I just care about playing the game.
You are going to have a horrible experience not unlocking most of the cards then. So once the game is done.. That's it? :\
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The least I can say about the card system is that they are guarantees as opposed to the friendship system, which was very cumbersome in 2 because specific missions required that you get high friendship with characters. Meanwhile, 3's friendship system could simply break. I've had friends who couldn't complete the game because their friendship with certain characters simply wasn't increasing.
Again, maybe some people were a little impatient with 3's system especially.

I was able to complete 3 in 47 hours, 100%. And this game 126, with no new content and just grinding out kills for pilots that aren't worth using or characters / suits I don't really like / aren't that good (the bore grindfest). And I rushed to get it done because I hated the system overall. 3's Friendship system allows unlocks globally just using characters as Partners or even playing as characters a little bit, not having to get 10k kills for each suit + 5-7 kills for each character.

Maybe you just wanted to play the game to play though, and don't for the unlocks. Maybe we just have different ideas on why the system is good / not good.

Maybe I should assume people that just want to play the game for not 100%ing it, hating the Relation system, especially in 3. Since some people are acting awful hard about it.

But seriously. I want to see your take on the game once you've finished up Shin no Gundam Musou at least, and what you think about the Card System. I'm dying to know for someone that liked 2, since I did not really. Not to mention this game could have had more content in it.
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The Card Collection is the worst kind of grind fest out of all 4 of these games. It's not a fun experience, and a more boring one in which I prefer the Friendship system from both the previous games. I would like to see a take what you guys think after the Platinum status.
I'm really not against grind fests as long as I see an end and with the gameplay looking the best yet + Seed been my favorite show so the roster is amazing for me, I'm really not against having to play a lot of missions, I played the heck out of DWG1 and 3 even after I plated that game just maxing out characters.

I'm way more worried about how hard it is to max a suit out tbh since it sounds like it's still random pot luck drops + the apparent cheapness of max difficultly
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