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Shin Gundam Musou [Dynasty Warriors: Gundam Reborn]
Topic Started: Tue Sep 3, 2013 5:00 pm (22,205 Views)
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tyrox9
Wed Jan 8, 2014 11:24 am
they are reforming ZZ out of the timeline
Wait, if they did that, wouldn't that conflict with Marida being one of the many Puru Clones....?, Or do you mean in a way that wouldn't conflict with that...?.
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BlackKite
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Wed Jan 8, 2014 1:01 pm
tyrox9
Wed Jan 8, 2014 11:24 am
they are reforming ZZ out of the timeline
Wait, if they did that, wouldn't that conflict with Marida being one of the many Puru Clones....?, Or do you mean in a way that wouldn't conflict with that...?.
More like ZZ needs a total rehaul in its storyline to make it fit into the new canon. But the basic plot of the 1st Neo Zeon War should still be there.

Heck, we still have the Judau vs. Haman battle briefly mentioned here in the transition from Zeta to CCA despite they now basing Zeta from the movie.
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Anyway, just whoa at how the topic's getting degraded while I've been busy... maybe it can't be helped at all due to this few additions we have :mellow:

Finally got my PS3 copy so I tried it out for a while.
So I find out that PS3 version has better custom soundtrack handling than PSV. In the PSV version the custom soundtrack might loop back either when encountering the stage's boss, or sometimes like every 2 minutes. There's no such thing in the PS3 version.

And for the framerate, I've been expecting the terrible drop from the start so I've done some observations.
On ground and in-colony maps, the framerate drops most of the time, like 80%. The only occasion it's not dropping is when you're moving around the map alone.
Space maps are a bit better but still have some drops, like about 55%. Probably because there are still some objects out there like asteroids and such.
Turns out the best one is the aerial map, since there are barely any objects there. But there are still fps drops when it shows a whole lot of enemies and you're doing some powerful attacks, maybe about 20% of the time.

So in conclusion: Koei's KTGL engine really sucks at processing terrains because they seem to be eating much of the processor's power.
But in overall they really should consider the limit of units on screen allowed before the framerate drops down.
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Indeed, if we're looking at a new canon for the UC timeline with New Translation fitting into the mix, then The Origin is clear for use, but yes, ZZ needs to be rehauled. . .which is what I've been saying since I first saw it. . .

Either way, I wouldn't mind seeing the UC being redone since every AU seems content with being a UC story with shounen elements. Might as well give us the UC itself. Build Fighters is certainly a good break, though I doubt it'd be in a DWG game. . .*crosses fingers hoping for Build Fighters pilot and MS additions*
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I wouldn't be against seeing a redone ZZ as long as they keep the main cast and just rework the elements that don't fit. After all the ZZ is introduced very early on so having Judau and Kamille around in there normal Gundams wouldn't be that much of a problem and I believe SRW has got around Judau in the Zeta by allowing Kamille to just go back to the MkII for a bit.

And after that they could fix CCA while they are at it.

But to be honest if we are to have more UC stuff I'd rather them move to the latter stuff, remake F91 or just do Crossbone and get us away from Zeon for a change.
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I never saw the problem with ANT being part of the timeline. Kamille didn't do anything in ZZ that can't simply be replaced with Judea's own NT powers.

And who's the say Kamille would have fought in the next war at all? He was pretty fed up with war by the end of Zeta period. The most likely scenario is that he ****s off to the beach with Fa a little earlier.
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I don't see him just letting Haman off and not doing anything while she starts to take over the Earth
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Everything needs fixing after Zeta if the New Translation version of events is to be believed. Even then, I think having a full remake of Zeta with the newer animation would help make it less jarring. ZZ needs to have the entire thing redone due to the changes in Zeta as well as the fact that the goofy sh*t has to go. CCA would then have to be changed due to the fact that ZZ is changed. It's a domino effect of sort. They need to make subsequent changes to anything that take place after.

Honestly, I might be more accepting of Gundam remakes because I'm terrified of what kind of new Gundam material Sunrise has now outside of Build Fighters -_-
Edited by Master Omega, Wed Jan 8, 2014 8:26 pm.
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tyrox9
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Sunrise doesn't need the wiggling of ZZ out of the timeline to make sense with the rest of the timeline. Just look at Turn A, the evident end of the gundam timeline which has mixed all the timelines together (impossible), and since its debut; retconned CE to fit in the timeline (still impossible).
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BlackKite,

I think one of the good things about this game is the scenarios they gave us. Despite the hackneyed and lazy way they were presented, they seem really interesting. Can you give us the premises and the endings for the remaining scenarios, and the highlights during conversations, too?
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Personally, I believe that ZZ can be overhauled but still come to a conclusion that keeps the rest of the timeline intact. Unfortunately I have very limited knowledge of early UC so I don't know enough to propose anything. However, retelling the story to the point of destroying the continuity is over doing it. From what I gathered ZZ needs a rewrite but the whole story does not need to be scraped. They could start Kamille in the story as an officer on the Argama just not a frontline officer.
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Thu Jan 9, 2014 2:58 am
BlackKite,

I think one of the good things about this game is the scenarios they gave us. Despite the hackneyed and lazy way they were presented, they seem really interesting. Can you give us the premises and the endings for the remaining scenarios, and the highlights during conversations, too?
Sure, I'll try writing more once I'm back home ^_^

Anyway the mission DLCs are now available at PSN. I bit the bullet and instantly bought the battleships stage DLC because it must be really interesting to see fight all the battleships there.

The challenge time attack stage might be quite interesting too, some of the challenges there are like fighting 3 Big Zams simultaneously, and then fighting the entire Gundam Meisters.
I doubt I'll get the Char's POV A Baoa Qu though... barely anything more interesting than the other two.
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Thu Jan 9, 2014 3:47 am
The challenge time attack stage might be quite interesting too, some of the challenges there are like fighting 3 Big Zams simultaneously, and then fighting the entire Gundam Meisters.
I doubt I'll get the Char's POV A Baoa Qu though... barely anything more interesting than the other two.
I wonder if the 3 Big Zams will be more difficult than the 2 Destroys you can force in some of the "Rampaging Destroy Gundam!" Operation missions.

And I hope it's not the Meisters all at the same time. Don't think anyone could handle that at 8-Stars without using cheese.
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mmmmmm I wanna see 00 quanta gameplay lol.. it comes out the 15 right?
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The 3 Missions were pretty fun and challenging I thought. Totally worth the purchase for me.

Scenario Name:
脱出
Escape

(The Char prospective Mission)

Medals:
Gold: 2000 Shotdown
Silver: 1500 Shotdown
Bronze: 1000 Shotdown

Locked as Char (UC 0079) w/ Zeong.

It can be long trying to grind kills out, but the mission features a lot from that final battle. Along with Ridden and Gato. You can even shoot down Kycilia's ship as a yellow faction (there's only dialogue with her launching). It also uses the cutscene with the Gundam vs. Zeong from the Official Mode.

Scenario Name:
限りある刻の中で……
In a Limited amount of Time......

(Clear as many Side Missions as you can)

Medals:
Gold: 9 Minute Clear
Silver: 12 Minute Clear
Bronze: 16 Minute Clear

It's usually random with what happens between when you first fight 3 MAs, and then it's whatever factions with against 3-4 Ace enemies that aren't MAs (including the Gundam Meisters, which also aren't selectable for the Mission since they are involved in it). This repeats around 4-5 times. And it finishes out with one of the 3 Legendary Gundams. It uses the entering the atmosphere level from Z Gundam.

Scenario Name:
アルティメット艦隊戦
Ultimate Fleet Warfare

(Ship Battle in the Air)

Medals:
Gold: 12 Aces Shotdown
Silver: 9 Aces Shotdown
Bronze: 6 Aces Shotdown

Every Ship from the game is in this Mission. Once you destroy Ships, x3 Aces will appear. Even two MAs near the end of the Mission. It uses the Air level from Gundam Unicorn.

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mmmmmm I wanna see 00 quanta gameplay lol.. it comes out the 15 right?
Yup. The 15th (14th in USA time) should be that, then the next week x3 more missions. And then another Suit DLC the week after that. This should repeat until 02/26 for the last Suit DLC which is presumed to be Raphael Gundam.
Edited by Nigoli, Thu Jan 9, 2014 5:35 am.
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@Karasuman; I believe you weren't joking because I fought the 4 Meisters + Heero and Duo at the same time at 6-Stars and it was already a real pain that I barely escaped (understand kill them all) alive with a slightly upgraded Strike Rouge while defending a field captain (to avoid losing the mission).

PS: special thanks to Kamille who did not come to help me, as he was struggling against Trowa (allied AI sucks).
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The Official Site seems to have info / screenshots up for them now.

http://gundam-musou.jp/dlc/scenario01.php
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Thu Jan 9, 2014 4:55 am
@Karasuman; I believe you weren't joking because I fought the 4 Meisters + Heero and Duo at the same time at 6-Stars and it was already a real pain that I barely escaped (understand kill them all) alive with a slightly upgraded Strike Rouge while defending a field captain (to avoid losing the mission).

PS: special thanks to Kamille who did not come to help me, as he was struggling against Trowa (allied AI sucks).
You referring to the one where you have to fight the Meisters and the Wing boys at the same time, or the DLC scenario? Not that both aren't probably a massive pain in the ass.
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The one in Ultimate Mode.
Difficulty is badly managed by the devs; sometimes it's just too hard depending of the suit you are using.
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Lol. I liked the one where the Strike Gundam was about to kick Big zams and Celestial being's ass. and Azrael was just watching, pulling on his collar like "yeeesh. those guys are about to get their asses handed to them"
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LordKarasuman
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Am I an idiot for wanting to buy the ABQ Char Side DLC just because I'm a huge Zeong nut?
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It should have been in the Official Mode to begin with.

It's definitely worth the buy if you like the suit. I thought it was a fun mission myself.
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Wed Jan 8, 2014 7:35 pm
I never saw the problem with ANT being part of the timeline. Kamille didn't do anything in ZZ that can't simply be replaced with Judea's own NT powers.

And who's the say Kamille would have fought in the next war at all? He was pretty fed up with war by the end of Zeta period. The most likely scenario is that he ****s off to the beach with Fa a little earlier.
Well, I don't think Kamille would sit around with Haman still running around. Especially since as far as he and everyone else knew at the time Haman had killed Quattro whom was his mentor.

Though if they redo ZZ than they would need to explain why Kamille wasn't fighting to save Earth. Judau at least has the excuse that he was headed to Jupiter at the time.
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Hmm, Crossbone Gundam's gonna make a good dlc addition.
Would have been better if it was in game to begin with but oh well.

Btw I'll try asking again, anyone who knows Japanese come across any interesting/humorous cross series moments?
Edited by Sum Gai, Fri Jan 10, 2014 8:45 pm.
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Now call me crazy but from what I understood we were gonna get the WZC and the four meister suits from 00 movie...how come I see these images on the website :blink:

So the green psucho frame unicorn:

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this thing from stardust memory if I recall correctly:

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crossbone gundam:

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and finally the 00 quant as expected:

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Now maybe Im retarded for not knowing this before, but my mind has been blown.....have a good day everyone :kurokan:
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@ Ambimunch I Literally just visited the site 5 minutes ago and saw this good news!!!!! :XD This is already by fare the best news i have recievd in 2014, it even beast the Playstation now announcment in my BOOOOKS SoOOOO many tears of jost i mean JOOOY see i just misspelled the the exciement!!!!!!!!! :dance: This will Be my second favorite game in 2014 the first being Infamous Second Son!!! Cant wait for the western release!!! :wub:
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