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Shin Gundam Musou [Dynasty Warriors: Gundam Reborn]
Topic Started: Tue Sep 3, 2013 5:00 pm (22,194 Views)
Ambimunch
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BlackKite
Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:41 pm
Ambimunch
Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:36 pm
OMFG digital only!!?? waaaaaw..........f this to hell. They're idiots, why couldn't they release a limited amount of physical copies like for jojo's bizarre adventure?.....yeah screw them, Im off to import the Japanese version just to have a physical copy...
There are still English physical copy that will be out just in case you don't know, and they'll be released in Europe & Asia. How about if you import European or Asian English copies instead?

Unless if you want the game right now, then yeah the only options would be Japanese... or Chinese language versions available now
Yeah yeah I was just super pissed when I read the bad news for the 1st time. Ill wait for a UK dub version. However, if they cut the custom soundtrack, then I'll just get the Jap version (it'll depreciate in price a little by then)
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why in the world would they cut custom soundtrack?, is it an illegal feature or something in the west? it just doesn't make sense, cut BGM is obvious due to licensing issues, no english dub is to save money of recording new lines, but features like custom BGM does not have that kind of problem
Edited by wodash, Sun Mar 2, 2014 2:51 am.
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Umm... even if the game is digital download only in the US, would there still be a dubbed version?

Idiotic question, I know.
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JDogindy
Wed Mar 5, 2014 6:30 pm
Umm... even if the game is digital download only in the US, would there still be a dubbed version?

Idiotic question, I know.
not an idiotic question at all. its well up to debate. On one side;

*No there wont. because Koei has a history of releasing their warriors game overseas, but as Digital Download only, and only subbing the dialogue. This is because they don't want to spend the extra money on a game they are unsure will sell well overseas. American gundam fans are very finicky about the gundams they like, its a fairly limited mostly to stuff that aired during primetime Toonami, and trash just about anything else. So a game that primarily focuses on series that they don't care for, even despite being universally one of the best and best selling every where else, was deemed digital download only. Another factor though could be because of the Generation shift, less people are gonna have PS3's by the time the international versions are released, and that strongly affects sales too.

but on the other hand;

*Unlike games like One Piece and FotNS, The DWG cast does very much so have a strongly established English cast. One Piece games went into arcs and characters far faaaar from the english dub, and FotNS isn't exactly formally release in the US, at least the main series isnt (i think). But DWG has had 3 games with english cast, all present in this cast, and even the newcomers for SGM have VA's from their dubbed series, so they already have a cast to fall back on. Also, over the years, the American Gundam Audience has matured greatly. there are a lot more western fans of gundam series that weren't in the early 2000's Toonami run that the fans use to cling on to so dearly. Still some bad haters who stick to nostlagia and scare Gundam off, but as a whole, the Western Gundam Audience finally started becoming big boys, and has of late become more primed to bring some gundam attention back to them.

So both sides have reason. the one based on history of the bussiness is just more... proven. but no reason to give up, still sparkles of hopes.
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Look, all I want is to kick ass to actual Gundam music. Is that too much to ask?
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According to BlackKite,
following WO3U recent PS4 announcement,
people in Japan are asking for DWGundam to be ported as well.
This would make sense seeing as every Warriors games got ported recently (DW8XL/WO3U).
And Gundam will not have slowndowns anymore on PS4 which I would personnaly appreciate.
So...let's wait and see what happens.
Maybe we will have DWGundam Reborn XL for the first time ever...
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Well it wouldn't be that much of a guarantee though. Even the DW8XL PS4 port still have some framerate drops, though it's not as bad as the recent PS3 games (drops to around 45fps at most). We'll still need to wait until Koei makes a Warriors game with PS4 as the main development console which might make it possible for a full 60 fps experience.

What I'm wondering though is that if GWR might get an XL expansion with additional roster, and releasing a PS4 version at the same time. That's what many JP fans are hoping too ^_^
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GrieverLonewolf
Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:41 pm
Look, all I want is to kick ass to actual Gundam music. Is that too much to ask?
the game has custom soundtrack, that should be answer enough
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Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:43 am
Well it wouldn't be that much of a guarantee though. Even the DW8XL PS4 port still have some framerate drops, though it's not as bad as the recent PS3 games (drops to around 45fps at most). We'll still need to wait until Koei makes a Warriors game with PS4 as the main development console which might make it possible for a full 60 fps experience.

What I'm wondering though is that if GWR might get an XL expansion with additional roster, and releasing a PS4 version at the same time. That's what many JP fans are hoping too ^_^
:woot: sweet that's some good news. Thanks Garnix and BlackKite. I would like GWR to get an XL expansion and be on the PS4.
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Do we have a more narrow release than "Summer" yet?
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We don't know yet. I'd say wait until next month after TKE has finished all of their Q1 releases here:
https://twitter.com/inspchin/status/445921093476306945/photo/1
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I'm just posting on here to mention that I recently got Shin Gundam Musou(a couple of weeks ago) and I've been enjoying it quite thoroughly. I've cleared Official Mode and everything in Ultimate Mode except for the final Operation(True Gundam Musou) as I haven't tried it yet and, as of yet, I haven't experienced this "game-breaking slow-down" everyone's been talking about.

Anyway, I'm a veteran of the Gundam Musou games since the first one and a veteran of Musou games in general since the first SW, owning all of the localized GM games and SW games(except SW3). I've also played several of the DW games, including Strikeforce, and I own both Digital-only OP: Pirate Warriors games and most of the WO games. In any event, I love Shin Gundam Musou and believe it to be the best of the Gundam Musou series(though I did prefer the Original Story of GM1 and the Cel-Shaded graphics of GM3, but those are minor compared to gameplay, to me). In my opinion, as a Musou veteran, I think that these complaints about frame-rate drops are overly exaggerated as I don't even notice them, or haven't yet, and that means that they're nowhere-near game-breaking. In addition, unless the drops reach Elder Scrolls-level, I wouldn't consider them significant anyway.

I'm also gonna mention that I don't really mind the Digital-only aspect that DW:GR will share in common with the OP:PW games, as it means that the game will at least have the Japanese voices. I'll likely pick up the English release to see the "stories" in the Ultimate Mode Operations, but I'm enjoying my imported copy until then.


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Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:15 am
We don't know yet. I'd say wait until next month after TKE has finished all of their Q1 releases here:
https://twitter.com/inspchin/status/445921093476306945/photo/1
What's the blanked out one?
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:57 pm
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Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:15 am
We don't know yet. I'd say wait until next month after TKE has finished all of their Q1 releases here:
https://twitter.com/inspchin/status/445921093476306945/photo/1
What's the blanked out one?
yeah, we are past those dates, and yet there's no surprise title announced or anything, what's the hidden title?
Edited by wodash, Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:16 am.
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wodash
Sat Mar 29, 2014 1:16 am
Joshelplex
Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:57 pm
BlackKite
Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:15 am
We don't know yet. I'd say wait until next month after TKE has finished all of their Q1 releases here:
https://twitter.com/inspchin/status/445921093476306945/photo/1
What's the blanked out one?
yeah, we are past those dates, and yet there's no surprise title announced or anything, what's the hidden title?
Hmm, probably the Toukiden - Soul Sacrifice collaboration getting enacted in the West too? That's the only plausible thing I could think of by looking at their Twitter ^^;;

Anyway there is still next week though when they'll be releasing DW8XL in Europe. Just a bit more....

Toramaru
 
In my opinion, as a Musou veteran, I think that these complaints about frame-rate drops are overly exaggerated as I don't even notice them, or haven't yet, and that means that they're nowhere-near game-breaking.
Did you play the PS3 version? It's awesome if you didn't mind about the framerate drops there :lol:

Past Warriors games (PS2 & early PS3 era pre-DW7) had been going smoothly framerate-wise, with the games used to be running at an almost consistent 60fps. GW3 was pretty much the last game to have that smooth framerate. And then since 2011, all Warriors games released after that ~DW7-8, FotNS2, OPPW 1-2, GWR etc~ seem to be experiencing frequent framerate drops whenever there are too many enemies on screen. I don't know why it suddenly becomes like this, maybe it's the side effect of Koei wanting to throw in as many units in the screen as possible..?

Anyway it's not game-breaking indeed, but it's going to be a noticeable complaint from most old veteran Warriors players who have been playing since far before 2011. I mean they could do fine with an almost full 60fps in the past, so why do they resort to fluctuating framerates recently? :/
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Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:57 pm
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Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:15 am
We don't know yet. I'd say wait until next month after TKE has finished all of their Q1 releases here:
https://twitter.com/inspchin/status/445921093476306945/photo/1
What's the blanked out one?
I think that was for at the time yet to be announced PS4 version of Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate but im not 100% on that.
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 2:40 am
Hmm, probably the Toukiden - Soul Sacrifice collaboration getting enacted in the West too? That's the only plausible thing I could think of by looking at their Twitter ^^;;
the Toukiden side of the crossover had been released ages ago for the western version of Toukiden as a patch, i dunno about the SS Gouenma crossover DLC though


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How bad is the framerate compared to DW8 on PS3? That would give people a better picture.
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If you buy the EU physical copy will you have to make another PSN account similar to buying off the JP PSN store?

Any word on if the PAL version of the Game is getting music nerfed like GM3?
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Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:02 pm
How bad is the framerate compared to DW8 on PS3? That would give people a better picture.
Personally I think both of them are rather the same. But probably DW8 is better of the worses when handling the framerate from dropping any further, while GWR can stay in 60fps for a bit longer when there are no enemies because of fewer background environments to handle, but of course this only applies to the sky & some space stages
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Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:03 am
If you buy the EU physical copy will you have to make another PSN account similar to buying off the JP PSN store?

Any word on if the PAL version of the Game is getting music nerfed like GM3?

EU copies are registered in separate regions from NA, so if you get the EU physical copy you'll need to make a European account to get the DLCs for that disc.

As for the music, there are no words yet. But even if the music will get shafted again, at least there should still be the custom soundtrack feature.. though there's no word either on whether they're bringing this feature to the West or not ^^;
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As for the music, there are no words yet. But even if the music will get shafted again, at least there should still be the custom soundtrack feature.. though there's no word either on whether they're bringing this feature to the West or not ^^;
cutting off the custom BGM feature would be by far the stupidest move ever, it's not like they needed extra licensing or any other stuffs that prevented the anime BGM being in the western version

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I was replaying DWG3 yesterday to destress after goddamn work, realized I am really, really going to miss English Setsuna, and thinking about some of the Seed cast, (Mwu, Dearka, Rau, Athrun and then Cagalli to a lesser extent) is gonna make OM sucks. Man Koei, these guys have fairly iconic (and good) English voices, why do this? Is it really that expensive when we know you already barely pay them?
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english Setsuna sounds like my uncle, so deep and old, turned of the Eng VA right after the horrible prologue...
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In my opinion, as a Musou veteran, I think that these complaints about frame-rate drops are overly exaggerated as I don't even notice them, or haven't yet, and that means that they're nowhere-near game-breaking.
Did you play the PS3 version? It's awesome if you didn't mind about the framerate drops there :lol:

Past Warriors games (PS2 & early PS3 era pre-DW7) had been going smoothly framerate-wise, with the games used to be running at an almost consistent 60fps. GW3 was pretty much the last game to have that smooth framerate. And then since 2011, all Warriors games released after that ~DW7-8, FotNS2, OPPW 1-2, GWR etc~ seem to be experiencing frequent framerate drops whenever there are too many enemies on screen. I don't know why it suddenly becomes like this, maybe it's the side effect of Koei wanting to throw in as many units in the screen as possible..?

Anyway it's not game-breaking indeed, but it's going to be a noticeable complaint from most old veteran Warriors players who have been playing since far before 2011. I mean they could do fine with an almost full 60fps in the past, so why do they resort to fluctuating framerates recently? :/
Actually, BK, I only play the PS3 version. I dislike handhelds, for the most part. Don't have a PSP or Vita and don't want one, and wouldn't play Warriors/Musou games on them if I did. I love this game on PS3 and have noticed absolutely no framerate drops that you're referring to. Perhaps It's me, but I just don't notice it. Haven't noticed it in OP:PW 1-2 either, 2's one of my all-time favorite games, btw! :luffy:

As I mentioned, I'm a veteran of the Musou games since around 2004, so I'm pretty used to these games. SW1 was my first and it hasn't been a month since I played it last on my PS2(yep, I still play my old PS2), and I don't feel that it runs as smoothly as Shin GM. Don't get me wrong, I love SW1 and it's the reason I love the Musou games in general. As for GM3, I love the game but I feel that Shin GM just improves on everything it had save for the Anime-style Cel-shaded graphics(which I preferred to the more realistic-style, though I like them too).

I just don't understand it, Shin GM seems to run perfectly smoothly for me, but even if it didn't, this game is still completely awesome! :dance:

So, anyway, I'm personally enjoying pretty much every second of Shin GM and I applaud Koei for making, while not "perfect", a very excellent game! :2up:

Before I go, however, I just have to drop my two-cents about the voices. I first got acquainted with Gundam when I watched Gundam Wing in English. I have since watched the series in Japanese and I have to say that I couldn't go back to the English voices at all. I play the localized GM(DW:G) games in Japanese, except for DW:G2 which I had to play with the voices turned off. Dumbest mistake Koei's localization teams ever made was removing the Japanese voice option. I think it's fine that some people prefer the English voices, but many also prefer the Japanese so that's why the option is always nice. However, If I can only have one, I'll naturally choose the Japanese. I personally just don't like the English voices for GM(DW:G), plus characters like Heero don't even get their original English VAs. :facepalm:


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yeah no English VA means no sale from me, I love the Seed casts English voices and I would be happy to buy the game again if it gets a dub, without one I might as well just keep trucking along with the JPN version.
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