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Shin Gundam Musou [Dynasty Warriors: Gundam Reborn]
Topic Started: Tue Sep 3, 2013 5:00 pm (22,315 Views)
Re4_Wesker
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tyrox9
Thu Oct 3, 2013 9:41 pm
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Thu Oct 3, 2013 9:09 pm
Astray is very unlikely. Other suits are NEEDED for the story of SEED and Destiny and should take priority over Astray. In addition, other franchises need padding badly.
We willg et ourSeed/Destiny units. but Astray doesnt have ANY units so far. So that qualifies as needs padding imo xD
and Astray hasn't been in any of these games up to this point so to say that it needs padding makes no sense. What needs padding are the AU series that are sitting around with only 1-3 suits (Turn A, G Gundam, Gundam X, etc.). Then there are other AU series such as 00 that could get away with 1 more new add here or there (Ali Al Saachez).

I actually wouldn't mind adds from either Astray or Stargazer but I want to see some of these other AU series get some attention first. Both Stargazer and Astray could be left to dlc if they had to.
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Well i agree there needs to be more Turn A. At least Harry Ord and Gold Sumo, cause i dont count adding kapool as like, a real thing.

G Gundam should get mroe appropriate additions. I think if they were to add anything, it would be gad dang Spiegel for Kyoji (DWG3 was such a disgrace with that) and prolly like Chibodee with maxter since he was kinda like the Lancer of the Shuffle Alliance crew.

Gundam X is a tricky one I believe. cause its such a Sleeper. Its good, but so under the radar with masses. heck, it took 3 games just to add it's protagonist.

but I think they should add, like... ALL of these series' some stuff. with over 120 playable units, i'd think they have the space.
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I would love to get the Virsago if they added more gundam x mechs, finishing the wing units would be nice too. Gimme any G adds and their mobile fighters and I'm happy.
By the way anyone seen the top half of that scan? It looked like there was more to it.
Edited by bigmacthecaveman, Thu Oct 3, 2013 10:48 pm.
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Im kinda against the addition of finishing the Wing boys, since Deathscythe and Heavyarms were such a botched job and lame in DWG3. give us A, X and G, no W.
Edited by tyrox9, Thu Oct 3, 2013 10:57 pm.
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They could always fix the movesets too as an option, and W will get priority over most other AUs, due to being the most popular beside Seed and 00.
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I'd like to say W is more popular than 00. it's at least somewhat better. I think 00 coasts on being newer. And I'd say G gives W a run for its money in whatever place it is.
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G is actually biggest in NA. Its about midline in Japan, an when it first came out all those years ago, it didnt go over well. A lot of the popularity came back in Japan when it was first airing here. W has always been very popular, not just overseas either. In Japan it was a pretty big smash. 00 might have the edge on being new, but its not even that new, and is doing better than Unicorn or AGE.
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I think you got W mixed around. In japan it was totally mediocre, and didn't really do notable anywhere except NA, and really just because anime was relatively new to Americans then. And Unicorn > 00. Unicorn just has disadvantages for being 1 episode per 6 months crap.
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Thu Oct 3, 2013 4:49 pm
I'm thinking they aren't using AGE because of the Level-5 deal. I mean, the entire point of AGE was a condensation of the original trilogy, filled with Gundam mythology and call backs from ALL the series, that was going to be like a big movement with video games, hence why level 5 was involved in making it. Be kinda weird to just have another game company use it like that.
emphasis in WAS

at the end it was an awful anime and an even worse game, which was shocking because they throw away the gundam title to Level 5 because Lv5 kept scoring hits with both their game and anime products before AGE...

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Wing was fine until Frozen Teardrop.

The series is dead to so many now.

Speaking of Wing.. We still need TV Wufei and Quattro with their Altron and Sandrock Kai.
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Fri Oct 4, 2013 1:49 am
Speaking of Wing.. We still need TV Wufei and Quattro with their Altron and Sandrock Kai.
speaking of Sandrock kai, i never really see where the "kai" is, where 3 of the main MS gets obvious makeovers, heavyarms and sandrock doesn't really get upgraded in the TV series, at least heavyarms gets the visible the double gatling barrels(not dual wield, that's EW), but i don't really see a new thing about TV sandrock's upgrade(obviously because Quattre is too busy making Wing Zero instead of upgrading his own beloved Gundam)
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Fri Oct 4, 2013 2:17 am
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Fri Oct 4, 2013 1:49 am
Speaking of Wing.. We still need TV Wufei and Quattro with their Altron and Sandrock Kai.
speaking of Sandrock kai, i never really see where the "kai" is, where 3 of the main MS gets obvious makeovers, heavyarms and sandrock doesn't really get upgraded in the TV series, at least heavyarms gets the visible the double gatling barrels(not dual wield, that's EW), but i don't really see a new thing about TV sandrock's upgrade(obviously because Quattre is too busy making Wing Zero instead of upgrading his own beloved Gundam)
http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/xxxg-01sr2.htm
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Though the changes made to the Gundam Sandrock Kai are cosmetically minor, they give the mobile suit the edge it needs to use its abilities against the spacebound forces of White Fang's WF-02MD Virgo II mobile dolls and the mobile suits of the World Nation military. The addition of several vernier thrusters makes the Sandrock stable to operate in a zero-gee environment, and the permanent addition of a small beam submachine gun gives it more extensive ranged firepower. Over Quatre's protests, Gundam pilot Heero Yuy also temporarily outfits the Sandrock with a component of the XXXG-00W0 Wing Gundam Zero's infamous Zero System, allowing Quatre to coordinate the Peacemillion's mobile suit forces in a major assault against White Fang's mobile dolls.
I hope when they add Sandrock the beam machinegun will be incorporated in the moveset, but of course not as subtle as Heavyarms' army knife.


Speaking of which, from my observation at 2ch, the most frequent requests I see would be to see Sandrock Kai & Altron included. Then again they really love their complete groups just like how they often requested Yu Jin & Cheng Pu after DW8, haha.

And SEED series also has some notoriety there, so some of them are also hoping to see some non-SEED additions, but well I guess it can't be helped yet because the SEED series is getting official stories here after all :meantongue:
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Did someone say G was more popular here than W?

That seems highly unlikely. W was the smash hit out of nowhere in NA, while G is what killed the franchise in the West because they couldn't sell enough toys and the market saturated.

And W is remembered quite fondly in Japan, which is why ten years later it's got a new novel, a new manga retelling, there's talk about a new anime sequel, a whole line of new MGs, it was the first AU to get an OVA sequel (G got nothing), and it's featured in pretty much every crossover game when other AUs are dubiously included at best.
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Shame that while the manga is bad the mecha in it are actually pretty awesome.

The old Gundams in TV era even got new upgrades in the remake of the Manga.
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Fri Oct 4, 2013 2:34 am
Did someone say G was more popular here than W?

That seems highly unlikely. W was the smash hit out of nowhere in NA, while G is what killed the franchise in the West because they couldn't sell enough toys and the market saturated.

And W is remembered quite fondly in Japan, which is why ten years later it's got a new novel, a new manga retelling, there's talk about a new anime sequel, a whole line of new MGs, it was the first AU to get an OVA sequel (G got nothing), and it's featured in pretty much every crossover game when other AUs are dubiously included at best.
I second that!

When i bring up the word gundam to some of my friends the first thing they say is (Oh yea gundam Wing i liked that show when i was little or back in the day! and as for G i liked it, anyone who remebers it down here says oh yea ist that the one that was like DBZ

My Point Wing is Def the most remebered in the west! :/
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Fri Oct 4, 2013 2:34 am
Did someone say G was more popular here than W?

That seems highly unlikely. W was the smash hit out of nowhere in NA, while G is what killed the franchise in the West because they couldn't sell enough toys and the market saturated.

And W is remembered quite fondly in Japan, which is why ten years later it's got a new novel, a new manga retelling, there's talk about a new anime sequel, a whole line of new MGs, it was the first AU to get an OVA sequel (G got nothing), and it's featured in pretty much every crossover game when other AUs are dubiously included at best.
I said G was bigger here than Japan, which is true, since we were the only ones that would even tolerate it because of all the memes it generated. It's kinda ignored by everyone in Japan, unless thats changed recently, like how suddenly, people dont hate ZZ for some reason.
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W got a new novel ten years later because gundam gives like all their series special stuff on their benchmark anniversaries. And the fact that W just gets wimpy little books and mangas that msot people dont seem toc are too much for, while stuff like Zeta and SEED get like specials, compilations, remasterings, I wouldnt say the memory of W has lived very well beyond it's immediate time of relevance.
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Why hate ZZ when we have Age to hate on now? Hahaha...

Well, there's a saying that time heals all wounds.

I'm over ZZ hate, I just want their mechas to smash things with.
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Why hate ZZ when we have Age to hate on now? Hahaha...
It's almost as if AGE makes SEED look "good" by comparison. Considering this is Gundam Musou 2'

I mean Shin Gundam Musou. :hehe:
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Fri Oct 4, 2013 5:50 am
Why hate ZZ when we have Age to hate on now? Hahaha...

Well, there's a saying that time heals all wounds.

I can actually go back and watch Gundam AGE. ZZ though? No way am I ever going back to that series. ZZ had small handful of episodes that were good. The rest is just painful to sit through. Atleast AGE had all of generation 2 and bits of generation 3 that were good. ZZ though? Colony drop on Dublin. That's about it.

Still, I can't help but be annoyed at ZZ being cut from official mode. I actually would have liked Rakan Dahkaran being added.

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That's just because everyone forgets how bad it is over time. DWG actually hasn't helped in this regard because it glossed over all the terrible parts of the series, making them far easier to forget.

That being said though Gundam AGE though has its own gaping flaws. Trying to mash 3 generations into 49 episodes was foolish. Combined with some poor plot choices in the last quarter of the series and things become a mess.

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It's almost as if AGE makes SEED look "good" by comparison


One of the reasons AGE is bad is because it takes plot elements from Seed to begin with. Take how Kio acts in the last few episodes for example. It amazes me how people start to ignore the flaws in other Gundam series just because AGE is so easy to bash.

Still, I have more fond memories from AGE than I do Destiny or ZZ for that matter.
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Well, Kio acts like Kira in the last few episodes and even gets a cool bro character killed because he wants to save the other team and ignores what's happening to his team.

Kira at least had two whole series talking about how awesome he is and how everything always goes his way even when he's wrong.

Kio suddenly tries to copy Kira all of a sudden, with very few episodes left, only things don't go his way at all. He doesn't even get Kira's "I got laid" card to boost his popularity. Flint also went completely out of character in the final episodes as well with his heel to face all of a sudden and him abandoning everything he has been built up to since he first appeared.

The final villain in AGE also literally isn't shown til like the last episode. >_>

Eh. My fondest memories of Destiny were when Shinn was beating the crude out of Kira and making him eat his own hypocrisy. Destiny went downhill when it became the Kira Glorification Show. Makes me wish Kira had died at the end of SEED. Andrew and Mu should have stayed dead as well.

It's also like you said. ZZ isn't hated on as much anymore because the games ignore 90% of the show and only show the 10% that was actually good.
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One of the reasons AGE is bad is because it takes plot elements from Seed to begin with.
Other than characters whining annoyingly about how "war is bad", etc. This is another reason why I avoid the SEED series personally.
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Still, I have more fond memories from AGE than I do Destiny or ZZ for that matter.
I really just hate the ending for the series or maybe that last generation myself the most, even the First Generation seemed kind of bland to me with how slow things would move along to near the end of the Flit arc.

I don't know about anyone else, but I really liked Memory of Eden. I feel like it's the best "Special Edition" treatment so far from SEED to AGE. Any of the AGE-2 variations would have been perfect on the side for this game with the dual beam saber action, and Gundam Legilis R. Oh well.

The game's cover seems to have Unicorn on the front first in the group of Gundams. So it's this game's mascot, so I guess shouldn't complain too much about the SEED. :\
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Said 10% being good is just the mechs to boot.

Destiny benefited greatly form the compilations movies moving focus away from Shinn and Kira to making Athrun the viewpoint character for it's entirety. It's still paced like garbage, the Neo thing is handled much worse, but it's slightly less inconsistent, and the added ending scenes help a bit. As bad as Destiny is though, SEED itself was fine. Kira was actually very, very tolerable there, and not a raging messianic figure, and the battles were a lot less one sided for him. He's still much less interesting or likealbe compared to Athrun, but I think Destiny corroded his positive traits in the original SEED. He wasn;t that bad originally.

It also gave us the Druggies, the greatest set of tertiary antagonists in all of Gundam, because they were really, really stupid but simultaneously very threatening, unlike Stella, Sting and Aoul. Also, their theme was muthafunked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfmuK6NSaXY
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Fri Oct 4, 2013 6:31 am
The game's cover seems to have Unicorn on the front first in the group of Gundams. So it's this game's mascot, so I guess shouldn't complain too much about the SEED. :\
Not only that, but the logo is now double-slashed by Unicorn rather than being slashed & shot by Gundam :rolleyes:



Oh and for those who want to see Legend & Rey, I finally found a scan after scourging through Twitter :D
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On the right side there seems to be Aegis Gundam... I wonder if we're also supposed to have its screenshots and also CE71 Athrun's portrait as well.
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Rey looks very angry. Did Kira eat his snickers when he wasn't looking?
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