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Shin Gundam Musou [Dynasty Warriors: Gundam Reborn]
Topic Started: Tue Sep 3, 2013 5:00 pm (22,307 Views)
Ma Su
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I'm just hoping they do him (and, on an unrelated note, Rezin) right in this installment. The Gyan was completely unique, as was it's pilot. I fail to see how it being anything less than Class 1 is acceptable. Subjectively: I dislike Char, Amuro, Johnny Ridden, the entire main cast of ZZ (save Glemy), the entire cast of Z (except the Jerid and Kacricon), the entire cast of SEED/Destiny (save no one, burn it all to hell), and 90% of the remaining characters that I just don't feel like listing off. So you can see why I have such love for so many side characters, as they are the only ones who don't get on my nerves.
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I'm just hoping they do him (and, on an unrelated note, Rezin) right in this installment. The Gyan was completely unique, as was it's pilot. I fail to see how it being anything less than Class 1 is acceptable. Subjectively: I dislike Char, Amuro, Johnny Ridden, the entire main cast of ZZ (save Glemy), the entire cast of Z (except the Jerid and Kacricon), the entire cast of SEED/Destiny (save no one, burn it all to hell), and 90% of the remaining characters that I just don't feel like listing off. So you can see why I have such love for so many side characters, as they are the only ones who don't get on my nerves.
Wow, you dislike a lot of characters. M'quve is at best an annoying character and not really an ace pilot.

I like Rezin too and hope for her return in an upgraded Geara Doga or the Welter Doga. She is an ace pilot and deserve a Class 1 MS.
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I'm just hoping they do him (and, on an unrelated note, Rezin) right in this installment. The Gyan was completely unique, as was it's pilot. I fail to see how it being anything less than Class 1 is acceptable. Subjectively: I dislike Char, Amuro, Johnny Ridden, the entire main cast of ZZ (save Glemy), the entire cast of Z (except the Jerid and Kacricon), the entire cast of SEED/Destiny (save no one, burn it all to hell), and 90% of the remaining characters that I just don't feel like listing off. So you can see why I have such love for so many side characters, as they are the only ones who don't get on my nerves.


I find it hilarious that out of all of those characters you just kind of mentioned Johnny Ridden out of seemingly no where. Heck you mentioned him before the entire casts of ZZ, Zeta, and Seed/Destiny.
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On the subject of Class 2 and 3's, maybe they can give them a dash charge this time around (or atleast the class 2's.)
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Cydge: M'Quve was a cruel, cunning strategist, and the first one to ever put a dent in the Gundam's armor. If he isn't an ace, then no one is. Nice to meet a fellow Rezin fan though.

Re4_Wesker: People LOVE Ridden, though he actually isn't as irritating as say, Kira. So I guess I don't really dislike him.

Train: I hope for smash attacks if MAs function like in DWG2.
Edited by Ma Su, Sat Oct 12, 2013 4:02 am.
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Oh, we're talking dislikes now? I have plenty too! I pretty much, hate EVERY hero of EVERY Gundam anime. My favorite character is either the sidekick, a supporting member of the cast or the villain.

Gundam: HATE Amuro. LIKE Kai and Char.
Gundam Z: HATE Kamille/Amuro/Four/Yazan. LIKE Quattro/Scirocco/Haman.
Gundam ZZ: HATE Everyone except Haman. LIKE Haman.
G Gundam: HATE Domon. LIKE Master Asia.
Gundam Wing: HATE Heero/Relena/the girl with the Ken eyebrows/Quatre. LIKE Duo/Trowa/Milliardo.
Turn A Gundam: HATE Everyone SPECIALLY Gym Gingham.
Victory Gundam: See above.
Gundam XX: See above.
Gundam SEED: HATE Kira/Lacus. LIKE Yzak and to a certain degree Arthrun.
Gundam SEED Destiny: HATE Shinn/Kira/Entire Archangel crew - Arthrun/Entire Minerva Crew - Rey. LIKE Rey/Arthrun/Yzak/Heine.
Gundam 00: HATE Setsuna/Ali. LIKE Allelujah/Hallelujah/Lockon Stratos (both)/Tieria/Ribbons.
Unicorn Gundam: HATE Banagher/Minerva. LIKE Marida/Full Frontal.

I think that's every Gundam show I have watched. I missed a few OVAs but that was mostly because the anime title they were related to was so bad that I couldn't bother.

So yeah... Based on my likes and dislikes, there isn't a whole lot left for Koei to cover. They've got most of the characters I like already in the game. The inclusion of characters like Yzak is unlikely but I'd like it nonetheless (specially since the VA of Yzak and Domon are the same =D).
Edited by Heat, Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:00 am.
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I noticed you contradicted yourself by putting both Athrun and Rey on both "HATE" and "Like" list. What's up with that?
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Shinn is a part of the Minerva so...

Yeah.

I don't see how you can hate Amuro but liked Kai. He was a real... You know in OYW.
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Kai had snark, smarts, and didn't quite collapse all over himself like the others did. I can totally see people who didn't like Amuro being into Kai Shiden.
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I noticed you contradicted yourself by putting both Athrun and Rey on both "HATE" and "Like" list. What's up with that?
There's a "-" in there. It's meant to be read as "minus". I like Rey and Arthrun in GSD =D.


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Shinn is a part of the Minerva so...

Yeah.

I don't see how you can hate Amuro but liked Kai. He was a real... You know in OYW.


Yeah but he gets the honor of being my most hated character of the show. Admittedly, he isn't the most hated character of ALL Gundam anime shows I've watched; no, that spot alone goes to Gym... Or Katejina... Or, now that I remember her, Reccoa... Yeah, I'm torn on this one. I'll sleep on it for now. As for the second part of your post, Byalant Custom summed up quite nicely so I'm quoting him for that =D.

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Kai had snark, smarts, and didn't quite collapse all over himself like the others did. I can totally see people who didn't like Amuro being into Kai Shiden.


DING DING DING! We have a winner!

Also Kai was 10 times the man Hayato will ever be.
Edited by Heat, Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:08 am.
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Someone who hates Ali but likes Ribbons... oh my!
Edited by Skode, Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:19 am.
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On the subject of Class 2 and 3's, maybe they can give them a dash charge this time around (or atleast the class 2's.)
err, all MS are able to do dash charges starting from GM3 regardless of class, so yeah, your wish is already done here
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Someone who hates Ali but likes Ribbons... oh my!
Yeah! Ali was a sadistic war monger. He had no reason for fighting and no morality behind his methods. In my opinion, he was more of a villain than Ribbons, who was admittedly a manipulative SOB with ambitions of wanting to rule over humanity but at least, he wasn't fighting just because it was "fun" =). For a villain, his cause was justifiable. I'm not saying I agree with his methods or his actions, I'm just saying that given his ego, I can see why he would consider himself a god amongst people. Ali was fighting because, heck, he just wanted to.
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err, all MS are able to do dash charges starting from GM3 regardless of class, so yeah, your wish is already done here


Silly me. Haven't played GM3 in a long time and must of forgot.
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Cydge: M'Quve was a cruel, cunning strategist, and the first one to ever put a dent in the Gundam's armor. If he isn't an ace, then no one is. Nice to meet a fellow Rezin fan though.
For my defense, I've only seen the movies where M'Quve doesn't really shine. But I still don't like him nor is Gyan. My favorite bad guys are the pragmatic types (Char, Milliardo...).
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Someone who hates Ali but likes Ribbons... oh my!
Yeah! Ali was a sadistic war monger. He had no reason for fighting and no morality behind his methods. In my opinion, he was more of a villain than Ribbons, who was admittedly a manipulative SOB with ambitions of wanting to rule over humanity but at least, he wasn't fighting just because it was "fun" =). For a villain, his cause was justifiable. I'm not saying I agree with his methods or his actions, I'm just saying that given his ego, I can see why he would consider himself a god amongst people. Ali was fighting because, heck, he just wanted to.
And yet those were the reasons i liked Ali... its kinda the Joker effect seen in Batman. There doesnt have to be a convincing reasoning behind a villain to make him compelling, in fact it makes him more interesting to me. He curb stomped some of the seeming biggest side characters in the 00 series narrative... and all simply because he felt like it. That and i want Setsuna to get more depth in the game... he had an interesting background and upbringing, its never mentioned.
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Cydge: M'Quve was a cruel, cunning strategist, and the first one to ever put a dent in the Gundam's armor. If he isn't an ace, then no one is. Nice to meet a fellow Rezin fan though.
For my defense, I've only seen the movies where M'Quve doesn't really shine. But I still don't like him nor is Gyan. My favorite bad guys are the pragmatic types (Char, Milliardo...).
I suppose that is fair. It is all to taste in the end, no? Still really pleased to meet a fellow Rezin fan. I hope we get a Western Release, the game is shaping up rather nicely (Elmeth, anyone?) but it all comes to nothing if it doesn't make it overseas...
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And yet those were the reasons i liked Ali... its kinda the Joker effect seen in Batman. There doesnt have to be a convincing reasoning behind a villain to make him compelling, in fact it makes him more interesting to me. He curb stomped some of the seeming biggest side characters in the 00 series narrative... and all simply because he felt like it. That and i want Setsuna to get more depth in the game... he had an interesting background and upbringing, its never mentioned.


You bring up a fair point. I wholly agree that Ali helped in significantly giving shape to both Setsuna's and Lockon's characters in the series. Without him, Setsuna would be Gundam 00's version of Final Fantasy VII's Cloud IMO (who I personally thought had no substance whatsoever, but that's another topic for another time). In that regard, I will admit to his significance in the anime but that doesn't make me hate him any less. I suppose he does serve his purpose well though; he is a character made for people to root against. I can certainly entertain the possibility of people appreciating him as a character and for his purpose in the plot but not his values, naturally.

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I hope we get a Western Release, the game is shaping up rather nicely (Elmeth, anyone?) but it all comes to nothing if it doesn't make it overseas.


I don't know how was the last DWG game perceived by the west but I somehow think it wasn't as bad as say... Sengoku Basara (which was not bad as a game really). I think it should be getting a Western release, probably sometime by June/July of 2014 if the past titles are any indication. Personally though, I don't really care for a western release. I'm happy with getting my hands on a Japanese copy of the game. I did that with DWG 1 and 3 (not 2, can't remember why though) and was perfectly content with both. I should however note that I did end up buying both copies in English when they came out as well.
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And yet those were the reasons i liked Ali... its kinda the Joker effect seen in Batman. There doesnt have to be a convincing reasoning behind a villain to make him compelling, in fact it makes him more interesting to me. He curb stomped some of the seeming biggest side characters in the 00 series narrative... and all simply because he felt like it. That and i want Setsuna to get more depth in the game... he had an interesting background and upbringing, its never mentioned.


You bring up a fair point. I wholly agree that Ali helped in significantly giving shape to both Setsuna's and Lockon's characters in the series. Without him, Setsuna would be Gundam 00's version of Final Fantasy VII's Cloud IMO (who I personally thought had no substance whatsoever, but that's another topic for another time). In that regard, I will admit to his significance in the anime but that doesn't make me hate him any less. I suppose he does serve his purpose well though; he is a character made for people to root against. I can certainly entertain the possibility of people appreciating him as a character and for his purpose in the plot but not his values, naturally.

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I hope we get a Western Release, the game is shaping up rather nicely (Elmeth, anyone?) but it all comes to nothing if it doesn't make it overseas.


I don't know how was the last DWG game perceived by the west but I somehow think it wasn't as bad as say... Sengoku Basara (which was not bad as a game really). I think it should be getting a Western release, probably sometime by June/July of 2014 if the past titles are any indication. Personally though, I don't really care for a western release. I'm happy with getting my hands on a Japanese copy of the game. I did that with DWG 1 and 3 (not 2, can't remember why though) and was perfectly content with both. I should however note that I did end up buying both copies in English when they came out as well.
00 was built on ripping off stuff like Final Fantasy... and oddly ripped off SEED a lot for a show based off of Gundam Wing. Never got that.

and I love that comparison to the Joker, cause I always thought that way of the joker myself.
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I think I read somewhere (and agree to a greater extent) that SEED was supposed to some sort of spiritual relaunch to the first Gundam series and 00 a relaunch to Gundam Wing. Kira being akin to Amuro (one being the Ultimate Coordinator and the other the "ultimate" Newtype) and Rau and Char being the primary masked antagonists with enigmatic personas and driven by personal ambitions. SEED and Wing aren't too similar IMO. For one, Heero is admittedly far less whiny and obnoxious than Kira. 00 and Wing however start off the same and have more or less the same characters:

Heero -> Setsuna
Duo -> Lockon
Quatre and Trowa -> Allelujah (whiny mode) and Allelujah (Super Soldier mode but not Hallelujah).
Wufei -> Tieria
Treize -> Alejandro Corner

They aren't one to one matches but they're close enough for hardcore fans to draw the similarities. Then there's the fact that the Gundams were virtually indestructible when the series first starts.
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Oh yeah. the two series were suppose to be a new imagining of older series, made to attract new fans into a franchise hat until then really stayed in a very 80s, early 90s style of anime. and at its very core, 00 does very well in emulating the feel and style of Wing, while retaining new features. both CE and AD did with the old series.

But 00 did also take A LOT fro, the Cosmic Era too. and it's not even like "Oh its been around for a while, can't really hold it against them for using something similar." SEED/Destiny were the new, fresh on mind series' when 00 was being made, so you gotta figure they made conscience decisions to just use what the immediately previous series did. these similarities include;

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*Ms. Sumeragi to Murrue Ramius- A hot, big breasted captain/commander to a bad ass battleship, who experienced tragedy in her past that she has trouble moving on from, use to serve the military but left to fight for new ideals, and rivals an ex-friend and comrade.

*Kati Mannequin to Natarle Badgiruel- a strong, slim captain/commander of a powerful battleship, accompanied with calmer, colder demeanor, who acts on logic. Rivals an ex-friend and comrade, and served for the antagonist sides until revaluations caused them to heel-face turn.

*Feldt Grace to Lacus Clyne- the cute, pink haired, sweetheart bridge bunny who carries around a Haro... Who has been a love interest with a supporting protagonist and then later on THE protagonist.... Not even subtle.

Technology

* All of Grahams Samurai mobile suits to the Gundam Astray Red Frame.... Doesn't even need to be said.

* The Superbia GN-X using Kunai like weapons, beaten to the punch by OMNI Rocket Kunai Armor Penetrators, used by Windams and Blu Duel.

* The various remote weapons that slice/stab the enemies instead of shooting liekt raditional funnel-esque weaponry, beaten to the punch by the Legend Gundam.

* Bendy beams and mirror reflection beams. Forbidden and Requiem were unique for this stuff.

Story

* Celestial Being to Terminal- A rebellious 4th option to a 3 party war, that 'Intervenes Tactically' to thwart the armies of the 3 factions from destroying each other. Only sillier, because while Terminal intervened into actual battles, and worked to disable all the enemies to stop them from killing each other, and keeping a relatively low kill count, CB just attacked armies, bases, expos, anything, and killed everyone, kind of making it pointless.

* Saji and Louise to Sai and Flay... Kind of- A not so straight example, the Saji and Louise story is actually a variation of a scrapped plot idea for Sai and Flay. The original idea was to have Flay join Blue Cosmos, and become a pilot for the Strike Rouge (take notice how Strike Rouges color scheme matches Flay's personal colors better than it does Cagalli's.) then Sai would become a pilot for an Astray, I think, and the two would tragically reunite on the battlefield as enemies. This idea was scrapped however, because it was just too unbelievable that the two character would suddenly become competent enough to do such things given their previous history and actions, and be best to stay as normal crew type characters instead. It would seem that the creators of 00 dug this up in SEED's creator's trashcan, and didn't have any qualms in doing this, much to the viewers dismay.

Now, it's not like the CE had rights or trademarks to any of these ideas. but it just bugged me that 00's creators were so cheap when it came to ideas. the show wasn't very inspired to begin with. it all comes down to who has more GN particles and trans-Am in battle anyways. I dont knock 00 for having copies of Wing stuff, that's the point. just as i dont with SEED/Destiny and the UC stuff. but the fact that 00 literally just looked directly behind it, and reused the stuff that just happened in its predecessors timeline. it's disgraceful.
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I wonder if the AI will also utilize the upgrades, like, in harder missions.
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I would think so, the AI often has everything we do and then a few unfair tricks (I'm looking at you funnels, especially Alpha Azieru in DWG2!) up their sleeves as well. I'm just concerned that a whole bunch of great pilots (Like Rezin, Ali-Al Saachez, or Mafty/Hathaway) will be forced into an NPC Backseat or have next to no story in favor of, ugh, extra glorification for Kira/Amuro/(Insert Other Whiny Bitch Here) I mean, does no one else want to see Mafty/Hathaway and the Gundam Xi?
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About the unfair tricks what is really pissing me off is the OP hits the npc shot at us.

I'd like to see characters that are not playable in Official Mode to be playable in Ultimate Mode (like, say, Rezin and Mu).
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